| Jack Clarke 18:19 - Dec 11 with 8019 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
Just read on Sunderland AFC news that they are open for him to return in January in any capacity to aide their promotion campaign.
I don't understand why we bought a player who can in reality only do one thing which is run fast on the touchline and either yet through or get fouled in a good postion then try to retrain him to a position where he clearly cannot do it, strange move by the coaching staff and I may well get pelters for this but as it stands he is rubbish, even the other players don't seem to pass to him, notably Delap....
If he was to leave (unlikely) would that be a bad thing to claw some of the money back and open up a squad space for Jan? |  | | |  |
| Jack Clarke on 14:10 - Dec 12 with 1350 views | Radlett_blue |
| Jack Clarke on 06:42 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
Clarke is a strange one. When I looked back at all his highlights clips, his game just seemed like hugging the touchline as much a possible as high up as possible then cutting in and scoring. There didn't seem to be much else but he was incredibly good at it..
So I get the talent in him but aren't we asking him to become a completely different player to what he's ever been? |
I think Clarke is also struggling with the fact PL defenders are better than those in the Championship (no real surprise there) and with his limited game time, no wonder that he's found it hard to step up & find some consistency. Hutch also found it a little hard early on, but with experience, he has got better as the season has progressed. conceivably, the same could happen to Clarke in time. He's also good at holding the ball & drawing fouls as a pound-shop Jack Grealish. |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 14:16 - Dec 12 with 1352 views | Mummy_Short_Arms |
I believe in Jack and what's more think he'll one of our most important players next season. Always amazes me how quick 'people are to write players off. A significant minority slated Hutchinson when he first came. Quite clear both he and Clarke ooze talent. Same with Burgess, although slightly less oozing, but once a maligned signing, now an integral part of a premier league squad. |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 14:24 - Dec 12 with 1311 views | DanTheMan |
| Jack Clarke on 19:49 - Dec 11 by Dubtractor |
It's my one criticism of Delap - he really needs to learn when to release the ball when a better option is on |
Davis being in absolutely acres of space against Bournemouth and him choosing to run at 3 of their players was crazy. Davis went mental at him. |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 14:39 - Dec 12 with 1285 views | Bramidan |
| Jack Clarke on 13:40 - Dec 12 by SE1blue |
Hmmm, I think Delap is far from the finished article myself.
He’s a very good player but I think he’s very raw and has a lot to learn. I’d say Cajuste and Tuanzebe have looked more comfortable and settled in the PL so far than Delap. Hes not head and shoulders above those guys. |
Tuanzebe always looks class, almost effortless.
Cajuste oozes skill.
For my part I don’t think we would have bought Clarke if our coach didn’t recognise potential.
People call our manager young etc etc but he has worked at and with some first class managers.
We can’t just go out and buy established premiership players, we can’t scope the world and just buy the player we need for a particular position.
Let’s have at bit of faith, trust the “process”
I don’t think McKenna is sentimental! If a player doesn’t fit he is ruthless enough to move him on.
If he’s happy to keep a player I’m more than happy to accept his judgement.
We are posting on TWTD he’s far more qualified than us!!!!!! I do accept we are entitled to our opinions. | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 14:41 - Dec 12 with 1286 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Think it's a bit early to be writing him off, he needs more time working with McKenna and hasn't had a lot of game time to get into a groove either. He's the sort of player we need a cup run for.
However, I don't know why you've got so many downarrows, it's not an unreasonable position. We have limited squad places and limited time for him to come good, so if we could get someone better in Jan I wouldn't be against him going out on loan for game time. As it stands he's not doing a hell of a lot to help keep us in this division, which is our most pressing need. |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 14:47 - Dec 12 with 1258 views | cooperd5 |
| Jack Clarke on 18:35 - Dec 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
There was a post on here earlier about Louis Barry coming back here too.
Neither of these two things are happening. |
Louie Barry having an awesome season at Stockport this year.... but agree, neither of these scenarios are happening :-) |  | | |
| Jack Clarke on 14:53 - Dec 12 with 1241 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Jack Clarke on 14:41 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Think it's a bit early to be writing him off, he needs more time working with McKenna and hasn't had a lot of game time to get into a groove either. He's the sort of player we need a cup run for.
However, I don't know why you've got so many downarrows, it's not an unreasonable position. We have limited squad places and limited time for him to come good, so if we could get someone better in Jan I wouldn't be against him going out on loan for game time. As it stands he's not doing a hell of a lot to help keep us in this division, which is our most pressing need. |
What's the downarrow for there sjg? | |
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| Jack Clarke on 14:55 - Dec 12 with 1237 views | sjg |
'Too early to be writing him off'
'He's not doing a hell of a lot to keep us in the division' | | | |
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| Jack Clarke on 15:00 - Dec 12 with 1216 views | NedPlimpton |
| Jack Clarke on 08:04 - Dec 12 by WolfieAtTheBack |
I don't think Delap rates the other players is why he does not pass to them. His body language looks flat at times or he is just tired. |
All of Delap's game time prior to joining us has come at Stoke, Preston and Hull.
I'm sure he rates our players just fine!! |  | | |
| Jack Clarke on 16:12 - Dec 12 with 1156 views | Radlett_blue |
| Jack Clarke on 14:39 - Dec 12 by Bramidan |
Tuanzebe always looks class, almost effortless.
Cajuste oozes skill.
For my part I don’t think we would have bought Clarke if our coach didn’t recognise potential.
People call our manager young etc etc but he has worked at and with some first class managers.
We can’t just go out and buy established premiership players, we can’t scope the world and just buy the player we need for a particular position.
Let’s have at bit of faith, trust the “process”
I don’t think McKenna is sentimental! If a player doesn’t fit he is ruthless enough to move him on.
If he’s happy to keep a player I’m more than happy to accept his judgement.
We are posting on TWTD he’s far more qualified than us!!!!!! I do accept we are entitled to our opinions. |
Exactly, we couldn't afford to buy established PL players so we've punted on some young, well above average Championship players who may well mature into regular PL players & potentially be worth a lot of money. Obviously we won't have a 100% hit rate, but the strategy seems sound, especially if we aren't quite good enough to stay up this season. | |
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| Jack Clarke on 16:17 - Dec 12 with 1149 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Jack Clarke on 14:55 - Dec 12 by sjg |
'Too early to be writing him off'
'He's not doing a hell of a lot to keep us in the division' |
What's wrong with those statements? I believe the rest of my post spelled it out, but as you're struggling - it is too early to write him off completely, but at the moment he's not doing a hell of a lot and we need help right now, so if we can get someone better he could go out on loan to get some game time and some confidence back.
In other words, he may well come good in time but we need quality right now, which is why I'm advocating a loan rather than sale.
Not sure what you're struggling with really. | |
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| Jack Clarke on 16:30 - Dec 12 with 1131 views | sjg |
| Jack Clarke on 16:17 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What's wrong with those statements? I believe the rest of my post spelled it out, but as you're struggling - it is too early to write him off completely, but at the moment he's not doing a hell of a lot and we need help right now, so if we can get someone better he could go out on loan to get some game time and some confidence back.
In other words, he may well come good in time but we need quality right now, which is why I'm advocating a loan rather than sale.
Not sure what you're struggling with really. |
why did you downvote me waa waa waa | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 16:44 - Dec 12 with 1105 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Jack Clarke on 16:17 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What's wrong with those statements? I believe the rest of my post spelled it out, but as you're struggling - it is too early to write him off completely, but at the moment he's not doing a hell of a lot and we need help right now, so if we can get someone better he could go out on loan to get some game time and some confidence back.
In other words, he may well come good in time but we need quality right now, which is why I'm advocating a loan rather than sale.
Not sure what you're struggling with really. |
It's not that much of a reach tbf Flash. But if we are OK with developing players mainly for the future and just taking this season as a what will be will be season then there's no point sending clarke out on loan as they'll play him as a left winger that he was with Sunderland compared to how we want him to develop so it becomes a pointless loan really. |  |
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| Jack Clarke on 16:56 - Dec 12 with 1085 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Jack Clarke on 16:30 - Dec 12 by sjg |
why did you downvote me waa waa waa |
Ha, no response to my reasoned points then? I don't care if you downarrow me, fill your boots if it makes you happy. Let's be honest, you downarrowed because it was me. Another stalker I've collected.
The only crybaby here is you, who can't handle someone being brighter and more eloquent than you. Don't trip over yourself rushing to downarrow this, fella. | |
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| Jack Clarke on 17:22 - Dec 12 with 1024 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Jack Clarke on 16:44 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not that much of a reach tbf Flash. But if we are OK with developing players mainly for the future and just taking this season as a what will be will be season then there's no point sending clarke out on loan as they'll play him as a left winger that he was with Sunderland compared to how we want him to develop so it becomes a pointless loan really. |
We don't even know that he's going on loan, let alone to where or how they'd play him.
Ideally I'd keep him here and work him into what we want, but given where we are in the league and the fact that it's nearly Christmas, we kind of need 'on it' players right now don't we? If we want to survive.
I'm saying all this assuming we could get someone better of course. It's not "a pointless loan" if we can get a ready-made improvement but still have Clarke on our books for a later date, is it? If I gave you the option of Jack Clarke as he is right now... or someone much better coming in in Jan, what would you go for? | |
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| Jack Clarke on 17:41 - Dec 12 with 1004 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Jack Clarke on 17:22 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We don't even know that he's going on loan, let alone to where or how they'd play him.
Ideally I'd keep him here and work him into what we want, but given where we are in the league and the fact that it's nearly Christmas, we kind of need 'on it' players right now don't we? If we want to survive.
I'm saying all this assuming we could get someone better of course. It's not "a pointless loan" if we can get a ready-made improvement but still have Clarke on our books for a later date, is it? If I gave you the option of Jack Clarke as he is right now... or someone much better coming in in Jan, what would you go for? |
No no. I'm in agreement with you... but as I said the other day albeit in the wrong way.. I think our sights are more about next season anyway so if we are to develop Clarke then it needs to be done here.
But. I do agree if we did want to improve on that side for this season alone I think we need to do it as I can't see clarke developing that quickly to really make a difference this season so yes I think a loan out what be a good idea if we were to bring someone else in.
Hope that makes sense. | |
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| Jack Clarke on 18:36 - Dec 12 with 944 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Jack Clarke on 17:41 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
No no. I'm in agreement with you... but as I said the other day albeit in the wrong way.. I think our sights are more about next season anyway so if we are to develop Clarke then it needs to be done here.
But. I do agree if we did want to improve on that side for this season alone I think we need to do it as I can't see clarke developing that quickly to really make a difference this season so yes I think a loan out what be a good idea if we were to bring someone else in.
Hope that makes sense. |
Yep.
We got Clarke after the season started, so he hasn't even had a pre-season with us, which he obviously would get next season. So a loan now wouldn't be so bad (and as I say, only if we can get someone better). | |
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| Jack Clarke on 18:52 - Dec 12 with 932 views | sjg |
| Jack Clarke on 16:56 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Ha, no response to my reasoned points then? I don't care if you downarrow me, fill your boots if it makes you happy. Let's be honest, you downarrowed because it was me. Another stalker I've collected.
The only crybaby here is you, who can't handle someone being brighter and more eloquent than you. Don't trip over yourself rushing to downarrow this, fella. |
Do you think it would do his confidence or development any good if we wrote him off as a Premier League player in January, half a season after we spent £20m on him?
Well done on the big words though mate, you are a big clever boy | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 19:34 - Dec 12 with 896 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Jack Clarke on 18:52 - Dec 12 by sjg |
Do you think it would do his confidence or development any good if we wrote him off as a Premier League player in January, half a season after we spent £20m on him?
Well done on the big words though mate, you are a big clever boy |
No, this is true, it probably wouldn't be good for his confidence. Fair point. But there's no time for sentimentality if we want to stay up (like I say, only if we can get a better player).
Many players see it as a challenge going on loan, and fight their way back. I don't think the £20m is all that relevant but I agree the short amount of time he's been here would knock his confidence if we sent him off again.
Then again, there are players getting left out like Wolfy whose confidence must be getting a hammering. Which isn't ideal either. | |
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| Jack Clarke on 19:56 - Dec 12 with 870 views | Mercian |
| Jack Clarke on 11:33 - Dec 12 by SE1blue |
At the very beginning of this season, Omari looked he was finding the step up a big jump, and you could argue he struggled to get going.
With guidance, game time and increasing knowledge of this league he’s now one of our best again. And he’s been with our squad much longer than Clarke. I’m not saying Clarke is as good as Omari but at least give him time to work on how he best fits us and this league.
And let McKenna do his magic. Ron Weasley couldn’t lift a feather when he first arrived at Hogwarts. By the end of the books he’s banging Hermione and winning at wizards chess. |
He was still an average wizard though. Ron's stronger points lay in muggle areas. Chess, loyalty, tenacity, bravery and a few other words ending in Y. [Post edited 12 Dec 2024 19:59]
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| Jack Clarke on 20:05 - Dec 12 with 845 views | sjg |
| Jack Clarke on 19:34 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, this is true, it probably wouldn't be good for his confidence. Fair point. But there's no time for sentimentality if we want to stay up (like I say, only if we can get a better player).
Many players see it as a challenge going on loan, and fight their way back. I don't think the £20m is all that relevant but I agree the short amount of time he's been here would knock his confidence if we sent him off again.
Then again, there are players getting left out like Wolfy whose confidence must be getting a hammering. Which isn't ideal either. |
Players last year always seemed confident enough when they came in - I can’t remember Fridge putting a foot wrong from a similar position as the one Wolfy’s in
I can’t believe there’s even a conversation about loaning Clarke out to be honest, and I think the £20m is relevant - he’d get a lot of grief on socials off the back of the fee/quick loan | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 20:23 - Dec 12 with 824 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Jack Clarke on 20:05 - Dec 12 by sjg |
Players last year always seemed confident enough when they came in - I can’t remember Fridge putting a foot wrong from a similar position as the one Wolfy’s in
I can’t believe there’s even a conversation about loaning Clarke out to be honest, and I think the £20m is relevant - he’d get a lot of grief on socials off the back of the fee/quick loan |
I, and I should think he, wouldn't give a damn about "socials". And he doesn't set the fee either.
I don't think a loan will happen... but I could understand it if we were able to get someone better and needed that spot in the squad.
Very difficult for him to hit the ground running (pardon the pun) in a higher league and with no pre-season with McKenna, but at the end of the day, by the time he'll be up to speed we'll be well into the new year, at best. | |
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| Jack Clarke on 20:24 - Dec 12 with 818 views | sjg |
| Jack Clarke on 20:23 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I, and I should think he, wouldn't give a damn about "socials". And he doesn't set the fee either.
I don't think a loan will happen... but I could understand it if we were able to get someone better and needed that spot in the squad.
Very difficult for him to hit the ground running (pardon the pun) in a higher league and with no pre-season with McKenna, but at the end of the day, by the time he'll be up to speed we'll be well into the new year, at best. |
If you think stuff like that doesn’t affect players you’re wrong - take our own Kalvin Phillips and Wes Burns as 2 examples | | | |
| Jack Clarke on 22:09 - Dec 12 with 741 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Jack Clarke on 20:24 - Dec 12 by sjg |
If you think stuff like that doesn’t affect players you’re wrong - take our own Kalvin Phillips and Wes Burns as 2 examples |
That's just two players. Don't they generally get social media training these days? I doubt most players - particularly playing professionally in the best league in the world - would give two hoots what fat bob from Kettering thinks. More fool them if they do. | |
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| Jack Clarke on 22:15 - Dec 12 with 717 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Jack Clarke on 22:09 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's just two players. Don't they generally get social media training these days? I doubt most players - particularly playing professionally in the best league in the world - would give two hoots what fat bob from Kettering thinks. More fool them if they do. |
Unfortunately, the human psyche is not that straightforward. | | | |
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