| Thought I’d clear up a few things 09:31 - Dec 12 with 6200 views | thebooks |
1. Kieran McKenna is the best manager we’ve had since Bobby Robson and has done, and is doing, an incredible job
2. Jack Clarke, Ben Johnson, Amir Muric et al are not the worst midfielders/goalkeepers/defenders we’ve ever seen at the club and shouldn’t be sent straight back to whence they came
3. We get to watch super-exciting, attacking football week-in-week-out, even with some of the squad that was playing against Forest Green Rovers two years ago, and a bunch of raw, untested at this level young players who are developing at astonishingly quick rates
4. We are somehow competing in a league where all the other teams have had hundreds of times more income than us for years
If you don’t agree with any of these points you are either i) jaded or spoilt beyond belief or ii) a Norwich City fan. You are welcome. |  | | |  |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:36 - Dec 12 with 4625 views | weepingx2018 |
Brilliant post. Perfectly put |  | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:37 - Dec 12 with 4619 views | weepingx2018 |
This should be pinned to the top Gav/Phil. | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:38 - Dec 12 with 4605 views | ibbleobble |
Why is McKenna better than Burley? Discuss. | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:50 - Dec 12 with 4534 views | mr_bean |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:38 - Dec 12 by ibbleobble |
Why is McKenna better than Burley? Discuss. |
He isn't (YET). | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:55 - Dec 12 with 4507 views | Guthrum |
That last bit is a little unfair. There are also those in a panic about us slipping back from whence we have come and wanting mad rolls of the dice to reach perceived safety. |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:24 - Dec 12 with 4381 views | Horsham |
Re point 2 - Dinning, Fish and Carson called to say hello. |  | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:27 - Dec 12 with 4367 views | NedPlimpton |
Well said (although Burley might feel a bit hard done by with your first point!)
The pile-on for J.Clarke is getting a bit ridiculous now. He's played 480mins of football for us. That's less than 5.5 full matches, yet there's calls to send him back to Sunderland or that he's a luxury player etc |  | | |
| Yeh I was gonna add on 10:36 - Dec 12 with 4283 views | Dyland |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:55 - Dec 12 by Guthrum |
That last bit is a little unfair. There are also those in a panic about us slipping back from whence we have come and wanting mad rolls of the dice to reach perceived safety. |
"If you don’t agree with any of these points you are either i) jaded or spoilt beyond belief or unrealistic or a clueless twanny." |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:39 - Dec 12 with 4267 views | FrimleyBlue |
I do appreciate your attempt at cheerleading the forum,
But
1 - Not yet, he may be, but Burley not only kept us up but got us 5th, if KM keeps us up, then and only then will i agree that he is better, doesn't need to finish 5th, just stay up.
2- Agree, although i think most have said Johnson was looking good just prior to injury, and most have acknowledge Jack Clarke isn't being used in his normal way,
3 - I wouldn't say it's exciting, but it's competitive
4 - we are competing, but wins would be nice
You're also welcome. |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:44 - Dec 12 with 4244 views | graham29a |
Thank you for articulating exactly my thoughts. The primary reason I don't contribute to this board is the wailing nonsense of those self entitled fans who think we should "still" be winning every week. Realism is absolutely the key to this seasons and the expectation on the vocal few is frankly ridiculous. | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:49 - Dec 12 with 4210 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:44 - Dec 12 by graham29a |
Thank you for articulating exactly my thoughts. The primary reason I don't contribute to this board is the wailing nonsense of those self entitled fans who think we should "still" be winning every week. Realism is absolutely the key to this seasons and the expectation on the vocal few is frankly ridiculous. |
No Graham, not winning everyweek, winning occasionally. | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:51 - Dec 12 with 4195 views | homer_123 |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:49 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
No Graham, not winning everyweek, winning occasionally. |
Define 'occasionally' please. |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:53 - Dec 12 with 4174 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:51 - Dec 12 by homer_123 |
Define 'occasionally' please. |
Well more than once I guess.
I get the finance differences, everything people are saying to be realistic about, but at the moment we've won less games than luton did as this point last season, only by 1 mind you, but they won another 2 in december, which we could well do, lets see.
But I get people's views on this season are mostly aligned with it being a freehit I get that, But Id like to see us win a few games, so it does bug me a bit when i read people saying we want wins every week, it's not as that's not going to happen. [Post edited 12 Dec 2024 10:58]
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:56 - Dec 12 with 4156 views | blueasfook |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:39 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
I do appreciate your attempt at cheerleading the forum,
But
1 - Not yet, he may be, but Burley not only kept us up but got us 5th, if KM keeps us up, then and only then will i agree that he is better, doesn't need to finish 5th, just stay up.
2- Agree, although i think most have said Johnson was looking good just prior to injury, and most have acknowledge Jack Clarke isn't being used in his normal way,
3 - I wouldn't say it's exciting, but it's competitive
4 - we are competing, but wins would be nice
You're also welcome. |
For me, for KM to surpass Burley, he needs to better Burley's achievements, That's a higher than 5th place finish in the premier league and a Premier League Manager Of The Year award. If I was being picky I would also insist on a League Cup semi final and Play Off Final win. |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:00 - Dec 12 with 4063 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:56 - Dec 12 by blueasfook |
For me, for KM to surpass Burley, he needs to better Burley's achievements, That's a higher than 5th place finish in the premier league and a Premier League Manager Of The Year award. If I was being picky I would also insist on a League Cup semi final and Play Off Final win. |
Dunno, I was caught on that, but as someone pointed out the other day, Burley did build a side over time, compared to KM who's not really built a side yet, he's mainly added to PC's ipswich, so perhaps winning 2 promotions and staying up would trump Burley. It's a tough one. | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:03 - Dec 12 with 4045 views | blueasfook |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:00 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
Dunno, I was caught on that, but as someone pointed out the other day, Burley did build a side over time, compared to KM who's not really built a side yet, he's mainly added to PC's ipswich, so perhaps winning 2 promotions and staying up would trump Burley. It's a tough one. |
Sorry but I am purely looking at achievements at the highest level. You could say he's bettered Burley in the Championship by gaining automatic promotion, whereas with Burley we had to do it via the play-offs. But in the premier league, I am afraid he's woefully behind the trailblazing season we had in 2000/01 | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:19 - Dec 12 with 3964 views | homer_123 |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:03 - Dec 12 by blueasfook |
Sorry but I am purely looking at achievements at the highest level. You could say he's bettered Burley in the Championship by gaining automatic promotion, whereas with Burley we had to do it via the play-offs. But in the premier league, I am afraid he's woefully behind the trailblazing season we had in 2000/01 |
If we are being picky.
1. KM is well ahead of where we expected to be, and therefore the squad isn't as developed as it might be, had we had a season or two in the Champ, ergo, Prem is tougher with the squad we currently have. Burley benefited from a slow build, so when we eventually got there it was a far better equipped side to compete.
2. It's a vastly different Prem league compared to them, IMHO - I don't think they are comparable.
That said, I'm not saying you are incorrect - just adding a bit of context. | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:30 - Dec 12 with 3900 views | Churchman |
Agree totally with the four points, but the last sentence is a little too ‘either or’ for me. There are other reasons for people’s discontent too.
Like the avatar btw. Happy memories of the most extraordinary goal celebration I’ve ever seen, excluding Hreidarsson’s bar dive which was a one off. |  | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:53 - Dec 12 with 3799 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Agree with the sentiment almost 100%
A little way to go though before Kieran can be considered better than the great George Burley - who should have been given more time after we got relegated, and had the potential to be as good as SBR. | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:56 - Dec 12 with 3776 views | lazyblue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:39 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
I do appreciate your attempt at cheerleading the forum,
But
1 - Not yet, he may be, but Burley not only kept us up but got us 5th, if KM keeps us up, then and only then will i agree that he is better, doesn't need to finish 5th, just stay up.
2- Agree, although i think most have said Johnson was looking good just prior to injury, and most have acknowledge Jack Clarke isn't being used in his normal way,
3 - I wouldn't say it's exciting, but it's competitive
4 - we are competing, but wins would be nice
You're also welcome. |
Burley did have a few years of building a squad which produced a very good team plus the gap from championship in those days was nothing like it is now. | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 12:10 - Dec 12 with 3699 views | blueasfook |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:19 - Dec 12 by homer_123 |
If we are being picky.
1. KM is well ahead of where we expected to be, and therefore the squad isn't as developed as it might be, had we had a season or two in the Champ, ergo, Prem is tougher with the squad we currently have. Burley benefited from a slow build, so when we eventually got there it was a far better equipped side to compete.
2. It's a vastly different Prem league compared to them, IMHO - I don't think they are comparable.
That said, I'm not saying you are incorrect - just adding a bit of context. |
Well i think that it's a little bit moving of the goalposts and certainly subjective - If you're rebasing Burley's achievements based on some notion that the league was perhaps easier then. Do our 78 and 81 Cup wins not count for so much now also because it was easier to win a cup in those days? The 2000/01 league had some formidable teams that were dominating European football. What I would agree with is that there were certainly plenty of lower teams that were beatable. In this year's league even the bottom teams are well drilled and hard to beat seemingly. | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 12:11 - Dec 12 with 3688 views | Churchman |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:39 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
I do appreciate your attempt at cheerleading the forum,
But
1 - Not yet, he may be, but Burley not only kept us up but got us 5th, if KM keeps us up, then and only then will i agree that he is better, doesn't need to finish 5th, just stay up.
2- Agree, although i think most have said Johnson was looking good just prior to injury, and most have acknowledge Jack Clarke isn't being used in his normal way,
3 - I wouldn't say it's exciting, but it's competitive
4 - we are competing, but wins would be nice
You're also welcome. |
It’s not cheerleading. It’s saying it as it is.
You cannot compare the PL to how it was in 2000. In 2000 Charlton in addition to ourselves had a good season and Sunderland were competing well having gone up a year or two before. They didn’t significantly change their teams any more than we did. Evidence enough that the PL/ Championship gap was much narrower.
Different times, different requirements. I’d pretty much put their achievements on a par for differing reasons as you cannot directly compare..
I’ve seen Johnson and he was very good pre injury. He wasn’t match fit on Sunday, didn’t have Tuanzebe behind him and was exposed by the system we played and a very good Bournmuff team. He’s alright. Many haven’t acknowledged how Clarke is being used or that it takes differing times for people to settle in new environments. He’s just the latest player for people to get stuck in to because we are not winning.
Agree, we are competing but a win or two would be very nice and maybe lift the gloom a little. | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 12:23 - Dec 12 with 3590 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 12:11 - Dec 12 by Churchman |
It’s not cheerleading. It’s saying it as it is.
You cannot compare the PL to how it was in 2000. In 2000 Charlton in addition to ourselves had a good season and Sunderland were competing well having gone up a year or two before. They didn’t significantly change their teams any more than we did. Evidence enough that the PL/ Championship gap was much narrower.
Different times, different requirements. I’d pretty much put their achievements on a par for differing reasons as you cannot directly compare..
I’ve seen Johnson and he was very good pre injury. He wasn’t match fit on Sunday, didn’t have Tuanzebe behind him and was exposed by the system we played and a very good Bournmuff team. He’s alright. Many haven’t acknowledged how Clarke is being used or that it takes differing times for people to settle in new environments. He’s just the latest player for people to get stuck in to because we are not winning.
Agree, we are competing but a win or two would be very nice and maybe lift the gloom a little. |
It is cheerleading, It doesn't clear anything up at all, it's an opinion about other opinions.
The KM/Burley stuff is actually difficult to decide, as discussed within this thread.
The clarke stuff, even myself mr negative has agreed all season he's in development and as you say most people have too, so I don't get point 2.
Muric also has alot of supporters, a few not sure on him, but many happy enough, I quite him now tbh too and Johnson, again think most have agreed he looked good prior to injury
And the final part of
"If you don’t agree with any of these points you are either i) jaded or spoilt beyond belief or ii) a Norwich City fan. You are welcome."
You don't have to be part of either of those pots for wanting more than 1 win
I just feel it is cheerleading as it's not as bad as he's making out.. | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 12:40 - Dec 12 with 3521 views | algy |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 12:11 - Dec 12 by Churchman |
It’s not cheerleading. It’s saying it as it is.
You cannot compare the PL to how it was in 2000. In 2000 Charlton in addition to ourselves had a good season and Sunderland were competing well having gone up a year or two before. They didn’t significantly change their teams any more than we did. Evidence enough that the PL/ Championship gap was much narrower.
Different times, different requirements. I’d pretty much put their achievements on a par for differing reasons as you cannot directly compare..
I’ve seen Johnson and he was very good pre injury. He wasn’t match fit on Sunday, didn’t have Tuanzebe behind him and was exposed by the system we played and a very good Bournmuff team. He’s alright. Many haven’t acknowledged how Clarke is being used or that it takes differing times for people to settle in new environments. He’s just the latest player for people to get stuck in to because we are not winning.
Agree, we are competing but a win or two would be very nice and maybe lift the gloom a little. |
Competing or just participating? | |
| Veni Vidi Participatur. Now we can get back to competing. |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 13:36 - Dec 12 with 3349 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:03 - Dec 12 by blueasfook |
Sorry but I am purely looking at achievements at the highest level. You could say he's bettered Burley in the Championship by gaining automatic promotion, whereas with Burley we had to do it via the play-offs. But in the premier league, I am afraid he's woefully behind the trailblazing season we had in 2000/01 |
I think we will look back on McKenna as our third greatest manager of all time. He's someone destined for greatness. If he manages to keep us up this season, it is undisputable for me but you still really cannot underestimate the brilliance of what he has done here in 3 years.
You will never hear me say a bad word about GB but its apples and oranges in terms of context for me. McKenna has literally pulled this club from the abyss and transformed the whole club almost overnight. Of course, the owners and Ashton take some credit but without McKenna and us delivering on the pitch most of their good work wouldn't count for much. | | | |
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