| Thought I’d clear up a few things 09:31 - Dec 12 with 6210 views | thebooks |
1. Kieran McKenna is the best manager we’ve had since Bobby Robson and has done, and is doing, an incredible job
2. Jack Clarke, Ben Johnson, Amir Muric et al are not the worst midfielders/goalkeepers/defenders we’ve ever seen at the club and shouldn’t be sent straight back to whence they came
3. We get to watch super-exciting, attacking football week-in-week-out, even with some of the squad that was playing against Forest Green Rovers two years ago, and a bunch of raw, untested at this level young players who are developing at astonishingly quick rates
4. We are somehow competing in a league where all the other teams have had hundreds of times more income than us for years
If you don’t agree with any of these points you are either i) jaded or spoilt beyond belief or ii) a Norwich City fan. You are welcome. |  | | |  |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 13:55 - Dec 12 with 1254 views | blueasfook |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 12:40 - Dec 12 by algy |
Competing or just participating? |
Or just being "whipping boys"? |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 14:02 - Dec 12 with 1244 views | Churchman |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 12:40 - Dec 12 by algy |
Competing or just participating? |
Competing. In 2001, we finished 5th, Charlton 7th, Sunderland 9th the latter having finished 7th the previous season.
Participating is what the mob up the road do and slap it in the honours section of the programme to fill out the empty space. |  | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 14:24 - Dec 12 with 1209 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 13:36 - Dec 12 by tractorboy1978 |
I think we will look back on McKenna as our third greatest manager of all time. He's someone destined for greatness. If he manages to keep us up this season, it is undisputable for me but you still really cannot underestimate the brilliance of what he has done here in 3 years.
You will never hear me say a bad word about GB but its apples and oranges in terms of context for me. McKenna has literally pulled this club from the abyss and transformed the whole club almost overnight. Of course, the owners and Ashton take some credit but without McKenna and us delivering on the pitch most of their good work wouldn't count for much. |
I am 1000% behind KmK, and what he has helped build. However, Ashton brought KmK to Portman Rd, and therefore he takes credit for that alongside the support and investment from the Owners.
KmK would not have been able to build anything without the backing and investment in the club's infrastructure and long term vision.
I'm not taking anything away from what KmK has achieved on the pitch, but without the seismic changes driven by Ashton and Gamechanger, none of it would have been possible. KmK has done fabulously with what he has been given, and we'll never know what another manager might have achieved given the same opportunity, but Ashton/Gamechanger are the foundations of what has been built, and instrumental in 'pulling us from the abyss'. |  | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 14:52 - Dec 12 with 1188 views | ringwoodblue |
1. No he isn’t, Burley is more proven and successful than McK currently is at this level.
2. Agreed but all of these players you mention are underperforming
3. Yes, we are treated to a great brand of football.
4. We are competing in almost every match but the league table suggests that we are not competing in this league at the moment. Hopefully that will change soon.
If you don’t agree with my views then you are entitled to your opinion as we all are and shouldn’t be labelled as a bedwetter, budgie or other derisory label. [Post edited 12 Dec 2024 14:59]
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 15:02 - Dec 12 with 1170 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 14:24 - Dec 12 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I am 1000% behind KmK, and what he has helped build. However, Ashton brought KmK to Portman Rd, and therefore he takes credit for that alongside the support and investment from the Owners.
KmK would not have been able to build anything without the backing and investment in the club's infrastructure and long term vision.
I'm not taking anything away from what KmK has achieved on the pitch, but without the seismic changes driven by Ashton and Gamechanger, none of it would have been possible. KmK has done fabulously with what he has been given, and we'll never know what another manager might have achieved given the same opportunity, but Ashton/Gamechanger are the foundations of what has been built, and instrumental in 'pulling us from the abyss'. |
Now forgetting league 1 with our resources, any competent manager would have got us up. competent being the important part here though.
The champ was a different ball game though, that itself was rather excellent, but if we're comparing KM to Burley, I don't think league 1 promotion comes into it as the foundations were already there for KM with 90% of the squad already in place, Burley had relegation to oversee, then rebuild from there which isn't easy. But the fact KM managed champ promotion in 1 season trumps Burley on that league. [Post edited 12 Dec 2024 15:07]
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 16:20 - Dec 12 with 1130 views | monkeymagic |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:38 - Dec 12 by ibbleobble |
Why is McKenna better than Burley? Discuss. |
I think KM is still behind GB. Yes, the gulf in ability between the championship and premier league is much bigger now, but coming 5th having hardly spent a penny was extraordinary.
I’m not sure GB gets the credit he deserves for that. | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 17:12 - Dec 12 with 1102 views | peterleeblue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:27 - Dec 12 by NedPlimpton |
Well said (although Burley might feel a bit hard done by with your first point!)
The pile-on for J.Clarke is getting a bit ridiculous now. He's played 480mins of football for us. That's less than 5.5 full matches, yet there's calls to send him back to Sunderland or that he's a luxury player etc |
I've watched a lot of Jack Clarke at Sunderland and he was without doubt their best player and probably one of the best in that position in the Championship.
He simply needs time to evolve and develop into a premiership player and fit into our system. |  | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 17:19 - Dec 12 with 1094 views | Blue_In_Boston |
Better than Burley?
I'm not dismissing KMK, at all but some of the football under George Burley was the best I have ever seen us play. When we got promoted in 2000 all the talk was just like this pre-season, will we be good enough to survive. We smashed it. | | | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 17:24 - Dec 12 with 1091 views | Blue_In_Boston |
I don't agree with point three, or at least the super-exciting, attacking football part. That is very rose-tinted glasses to the extreme.
3. We get to watch super-exciting, attacking football week-in-week-out, even with some of the squad that was playing against Forest Green Rovers two years ago, and a bunch of raw, untested at this level young players who are developing at astonishingly quick rates
If you don’t agree with any of these points you are either i) jaded or spoilt beyond belief or ii) a Norwich City fan. You are welcome.
I am certainly not jaded, or a Budgie, I just have a good memory of the Burley years. | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 18:36 - Dec 12 with 1046 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:39 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
I do appreciate your attempt at cheerleading the forum,
But
1 - Not yet, he may be, but Burley not only kept us up but got us 5th, if KM keeps us up, then and only then will i agree that he is better, doesn't need to finish 5th, just stay up.
2- Agree, although i think most have said Johnson was looking good just prior to injury, and most have acknowledge Jack Clarke isn't being used in his normal way,
3 - I wouldn't say it's exciting, but it's competitive
4 - we are competing, but wins would be nice
You're also welcome. |
Deary me. You really are an unending dick aren't you?
"I do appreciate your attempt at cheerleading the forum,"
"You're also welcome."
Totally unnecessary, just being a nob, for no purpose at all. |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 18:37 - Dec 12 with 1045 views | ReusersTown |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 12:10 - Dec 12 by blueasfook |
Well i think that it's a little bit moving of the goalposts and certainly subjective - If you're rebasing Burley's achievements based on some notion that the league was perhaps easier then. Do our 78 and 81 Cup wins not count for so much now also because it was easier to win a cup in those days? The 2000/01 league had some formidable teams that were dominating European football. What I would agree with is that there were certainly plenty of lower teams that were beatable. In this year's league even the bottom teams are well drilled and hard to beat seemingly. |
The point made was that there was no such chasm between the two divisions which exists now, rather that the difficulty of winning the top competitions so I don't think your point is really relevant on that one. There's also too many variables, how would you perceive an FA cup win now as opposed to the 70s and 80's? | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 18:40 - Dec 12 with 1040 views | chicoazul |
The best manager we’ve had since Robson eh? |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 18:42 - Dec 12 with 1037 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 18:40 - Dec 12 by chicoazul |
The best manager we’ve had since Robson eh? |
I'd definitely say the one with the potential highest ceiling.
Not sure he's quite there as the 'best' yet, although I do largely agree with the OP. | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 20:53 - Dec 12 with 991 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 18:36 - Dec 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Deary me. You really are an unending dick aren't you?
"I do appreciate your attempt at cheerleading the forum,"
"You're also welcome."
Totally unnecessary, just being a nob, for no purpose at all. |
I was being a nob because of the state of their final paragraph. I've been a town supporter since I was 4 years old. ST holder all through my childhood until I moved away to surrey at 21 . And he decides you're only a town supporter if you think KM is better than Burley. All players are great and the football we play is exciting. | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 21:53 - Dec 12 with 967 views | NeedhamChris |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 10:53 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
Well more than once I guess.
I get the finance differences, everything people are saying to be realistic about, but at the moment we've won less games than luton did as this point last season, only by 1 mind you, but they won another 2 in december, which we could well do, lets see.
But I get people's views on this season are mostly aligned with it being a freehit I get that, But Id like to see us win a few games, so it does bug me a bit when i read people saying we want wins every week, it's not as that's not going to happen. [Post edited 12 Dec 2024 10:58]
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You're rather greedy and entitled aren't you.
We've had one competitive win in the last 7 months, surely you don't expect more than that? | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 07:45 - Dec 13 with 855 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
Whether he is better at this stage is debatable but he surely will far outperform Burley in the coming years. Hopefully a couple of those years will be with us. |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:19 - Dec 13 with 813 views | Whos_blue |
I upvoted the OP, not necessarily because I agreed with every point, but because they had taken the time to post something positive about the club.
I sometimes wonder why we feel the need to forensically dismantle some of the posts here. I find it even more odd that we'd chose to do that to a positive post.
Was the post a little hyperbolic? Yes, but so what?
It's just a post from a fan trying to be positive, yet we still feel the need to pull the post apart for accuracy.
We're funny fish here aren't we? |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:33 - Dec 13 with 795 views | thebooks |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:19 - Dec 13 by Whos_blue |
I upvoted the OP, not necessarily because I agreed with every point, but because they had taken the time to post something positive about the club.
I sometimes wonder why we feel the need to forensically dismantle some of the posts here. I find it even more odd that we'd chose to do that to a positive post.
Was the post a little hyperbolic? Yes, but so what?
It's just a post from a fan trying to be positive, yet we still feel the need to pull the post apart for accuracy.
We're funny fish here aren't we? |
Indeed, I wasn’t necessarily being entirely serious and I don’t literally mean you are a Norwich supporter if you have George Burley above Keiran McKenna in some sort of gladiatorial management table 😁
I am however frustrated at ridiculous suggestions such as Damien Duff as a replacement for KM, or sending Jack Clarke back to Sunderland.
Or statements such as “we’ve won just once in 7 months at home” when that includes the post-season.
Or the mass exodus from the NS when the second Bournemouth goal went in.
And more broadly, not appreciating where we are and the fact that we’re even in games is a minor miracle. | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 11:49 - Dec 13 with 742 views | algy |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:33 - Dec 13 by thebooks |
Indeed, I wasn’t necessarily being entirely serious and I don’t literally mean you are a Norwich supporter if you have George Burley above Keiran McKenna in some sort of gladiatorial management table 😁
I am however frustrated at ridiculous suggestions such as Damien Duff as a replacement for KM, or sending Jack Clarke back to Sunderland.
Or statements such as “we’ve won just once in 7 months at home” when that includes the post-season.
Or the mass exodus from the NS when the second Bournemouth goal went in.
And more broadly, not appreciating where we are and the fact that we’re even in games is a minor miracle. |
There is a close season every year you know and this is the longest period without a home win we've ever had, except for 1939-45. | |
| Veni Vidi Participatur. Now we can get back to competing. |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 12:25 - Dec 13 with 700 views | SE1blue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:19 - Dec 13 by Whos_blue |
I upvoted the OP, not necessarily because I agreed with every point, but because they had taken the time to post something positive about the club.
I sometimes wonder why we feel the need to forensically dismantle some of the posts here. I find it even more odd that we'd chose to do that to a positive post.
Was the post a little hyperbolic? Yes, but so what?
It's just a post from a fan trying to be positive, yet we still feel the need to pull the post apart for accuracy.
We're funny fish here aren't we? |
I dunno, I’m just guessing here, but taking a tone (in the OP) that suggests only your opinion is right, probably put a few noses out on here. Whilst I get their reasons for being annoyed at some of the extreme (and ridiculous) views being posted lately and I also appreciated their positivity, telling everyone how it is in a place of differing opinions was always going to poke the bear, whether meant partly lightheartedly or not.
He’s wrong about the Burley comment too… 😆 😜 |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 13:14 - Dec 13 with 664 views | Stewart27 |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 21:53 - Dec 12 by NeedhamChris |
You're rather greedy and entitled aren't you.
We've had one competitive win in the last 7 months, surely you don't expect more than that? |
One win in four months | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 13:27 - Dec 13 with 655 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 09:38 - Dec 12 by ibbleobble |
Why is McKenna better than Burley? Discuss. |
Because Burley took us backwards…
*ducks* |  |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 13:57 - Dec 13 with 634 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 13:14 - Dec 13 by Stewart27 |
One win in four months |
Still doesn't sound great tbf lol. | |
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| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 14:09 - Dec 13 with 621 views | Bluedandy |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 14:24 - Dec 12 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I am 1000% behind KmK, and what he has helped build. However, Ashton brought KmK to Portman Rd, and therefore he takes credit for that alongside the support and investment from the Owners.
KmK would not have been able to build anything without the backing and investment in the club's infrastructure and long term vision.
I'm not taking anything away from what KmK has achieved on the pitch, but without the seismic changes driven by Ashton and Gamechanger, none of it would have been possible. KmK has done fabulously with what he has been given, and we'll never know what another manager might have achieved given the same opportunity, but Ashton/Gamechanger are the foundations of what has been built, and instrumental in 'pulling us from the abyss'. |
Absolutely ... the foundations for our renewal and transformation are built on Gamechanger, the American owners and Ashton.
If we want to emulate the likes of Brighton and Brentford then we need a club infrastructure that from the top down thrives from one manager to the next.
With our current owners, we are well positioned to achieve just that, even if in the worst case scenario it involves going down before coming back up for a longer period of time. | | | |
| Thought I’d clear up a few things on 14:51 - Dec 13 with 581 views | BlueForYou |
Pretty much agree with everything written on here recently, but I'm a tad underwhelmed by our goalkeeping department, & think we could have signed in some better quality, but we now have to live with it. McKenna is a great manager, & hot on Burley's heels, but should not be immune from criticism. |  | | |
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