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The third goal 22:17 - Dec 21 with 11453 viewsGarv

It's not even Muric's fault. It's the same pass we play every week and we've not made that mistake until now.

It's down to Cajuste, he strangely tries to take a touch and roll his man. Morsy just pops that off to O'Shea/Clarke in that situation when he gets it.

Yeah there's an argument for game management at that stage of the game, going into half time, but there's also the argument that pumping it long to Szmodics wasn't doing any good, and we had to keep trying to pass through them.

That's not on Muric in my opinion.

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The third goal on 14:52 - Dec 23 with 1390 viewsJammyDodgerrr

The third goal on 20:38 - Dec 22 by PhilTWTD

But players take the ball all the time on the edge of the area in that manner. Rarely in a situation like that are you going to make the run Cajuste makes and someone doesn't follow you.


Quite, and that is literally the point of the pass, isn't it? To pull in a player to create space. Don't quite understand the aversion to Muric doing it when we've done that exact pass probably a million times in the past two years, and we're absolutely not the only team doing it. Cajuste should've flicked it on first try and movement done.

All this crawing over kicking it long is mad. Kicked it long and Dan Burn would've just headed it back to the edge of our box immediately.

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The third goal on 17:22 - Dec 23 with 1292 viewsRadioOrwell

Looked at it a few times now.

1. Clarke doesn't go back far enough to give Muric an option. And then stands there waving his arms about after the goal.
2. Obvious ball out is left back (Burgess) . Muric doesn't see it or has brain freeze.
3. I think Cajuste is going back to create space behind him - not specifically to receive the ball.

90% Muric
5% Clarke
5% Cajuste - he was a decoy as far as I can see - Was fkd even receiving the ball as bloke was all over him which Muric should have seen.
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The third goal on 17:24 - Dec 23 with 1288 viewsDJR

The third goal on 17:22 - Dec 23 by RadioOrwell

Looked at it a few times now.

1. Clarke doesn't go back far enough to give Muric an option. And then stands there waving his arms about after the goal.
2. Obvious ball out is left back (Burgess) . Muric doesn't see it or has brain freeze.
3. I think Cajuste is going back to create space behind him - not specifically to receive the ball.

90% Muric
5% Clarke
5% Cajuste - he was a decoy as far as I can see - Was fkd even receiving the ball as bloke was all over him which Muric should have seen.


Another way of putting it; it's a hospital pass.
[Post edited 23 Dec 2024 17:27]
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The third goal on 17:34 - Dec 23 with 1252 viewsRadioOrwell

The third goal on 17:24 - Dec 23 by DJR

Another way of putting it; it's a hospital pass.
[Post edited 23 Dec 2024 17:27]


Totally.
It's that casual 'I've got the ball', Johan Cruyff vibe, 'I've got options', until he plays the wrong ball, that annoys me.
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The third goal on 17:36 - Dec 23 with 1229 viewsDJR

The third goal on 17:34 - Dec 23 by RadioOrwell

Totally.
It's that casual 'I've got the ball', Johan Cruyff vibe, 'I've got options', until he plays the wrong ball, that annoys me.


As part of that, putting his foot on the ball is especially annoying.
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The third goal on 17:42 - Dec 23 with 1203 viewsRadioOrwell

The third goal on 17:36 - Dec 23 by DJR

As part of that, putting his foot on the ball is especially annoying.
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This x 472
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The third goal on 01:03 - Dec 24 with 1109 viewsLibero

The third goal on 17:36 - Dec 23 by DJR

As part of that, putting his foot on the ball is especially annoying.
[Post edited 23 Dec 2024 17:38]


In fairness to Muric, who I’m no fan of, this is something a lot of goal keepers and centre halves now do in the premier league.

Appreciate that Muric is making a dog’s dinner of it, but this video from a year ago explains the tactical positives pretty accurately-
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The third goal on 04:47 - Dec 24 with 1033 viewsBenters

The third goal on 14:52 - Dec 23 by JammyDodgerrr

Quite, and that is literally the point of the pass, isn't it? To pull in a player to create space. Don't quite understand the aversion to Muric doing it when we've done that exact pass probably a million times in the past two years, and we're absolutely not the only team doing it. Cajuste should've flicked it on first try and movement done.

All this crawing over kicking it long is mad. Kicked it long and Dan Burn would've just headed it back to the edge of our box immediately.


Hoof it man stick the boot into it !

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The third goal on 05:38 - Dec 24 with 1020 viewsibbleobble

The third goal on 14:52 - Dec 23 by JammyDodgerrr

Quite, and that is literally the point of the pass, isn't it? To pull in a player to create space. Don't quite understand the aversion to Muric doing it when we've done that exact pass probably a million times in the past two years, and we're absolutely not the only team doing it. Cajuste should've flicked it on first try and movement done.

All this crawing over kicking it long is mad. Kicked it long and Dan Burn would've just headed it back to the edge of our box immediately.


It beggars belief that some think this isn’t on Muric. When he makes the slow ponderous pass, Cajuste is very deep. Not only does that invite pressure but the angles are really tight and restricted. The fact that we’re getting hammered and it’s 2-mins from half time and we need to consolidate and re-group just shows how brain dead he is. We’ve seen his lack awareness on several occasions already this season.

The game was over after his mistake. Southampton have been punished repeatedly this season for the same mistake and it’s happening to us. Make the big call KM, Walton in.

What has Walton got to do to get a start??? Not that Arsenal and then Chelsea are great games for him to come into but maybe they’ll be blessings in disguise.
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The third goal on 08:09 - Dec 24 with 939 viewsitfcjoe

The third goal on 05:38 - Dec 24 by ibbleobble

It beggars belief that some think this isn’t on Muric. When he makes the slow ponderous pass, Cajuste is very deep. Not only does that invite pressure but the angles are really tight and restricted. The fact that we’re getting hammered and it’s 2-mins from half time and we need to consolidate and re-group just shows how brain dead he is. We’ve seen his lack awareness on several occasions already this season.

The game was over after his mistake. Southampton have been punished repeatedly this season for the same mistake and it’s happening to us. Make the big call KM, Walton in.

What has Walton got to do to get a start??? Not that Arsenal and then Chelsea are great games for him to come into but maybe they’ll be blessings in disguise.


Walton didn’t get the nod to replace Hladky at a lower level so it’s very unlikely he’s now deemed good enough for this one. He had an ok game against Liverpool but did nothing to suggest he should play more in the cup games both this season and last.

Only way I see Muric not playing is if we go out and sign a GK in January which feels unlikely

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The third goal on 09:17 - Dec 24 with 860 viewsJammyDodgerrr

The third goal on 05:38 - Dec 24 by ibbleobble

It beggars belief that some think this isn’t on Muric. When he makes the slow ponderous pass, Cajuste is very deep. Not only does that invite pressure but the angles are really tight and restricted. The fact that we’re getting hammered and it’s 2-mins from half time and we need to consolidate and re-group just shows how brain dead he is. We’ve seen his lack awareness on several occasions already this season.

The game was over after his mistake. Southampton have been punished repeatedly this season for the same mistake and it’s happening to us. Make the big call KM, Walton in.

What has Walton got to do to get a start??? Not that Arsenal and then Chelsea are great games for him to come into but maybe they’ll be blessings in disguise.


What has Walton got to do to get a start? Be a good ball playing goalkeeper with his feet would be something. He clearly can't do it and McK knows that, that's why he hasn't been in the team for 2 years+.

Slicker would be a better choice than Walton.

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The third goal on 09:25 - Dec 24 with 834 viewsTrumptonBlue

The third goal on 08:09 - Dec 24 by itfcjoe

Walton didn’t get the nod to replace Hladky at a lower level so it’s very unlikely he’s now deemed good enough for this one. He had an ok game against Liverpool but did nothing to suggest he should play more in the cup games both this season and last.

Only way I see Muric not playing is if we go out and sign a GK in January which feels unlikely


The club gave Walton a new contract only three months ago. Seems a strange piece of business if they have no intention of playing him.
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The third goal on 10:08 - Dec 24 with 778 viewsTheBlueGnu

The third goal on 14:52 - Dec 23 by JammyDodgerrr

Quite, and that is literally the point of the pass, isn't it? To pull in a player to create space. Don't quite understand the aversion to Muric doing it when we've done that exact pass probably a million times in the past two years, and we're absolutely not the only team doing it. Cajuste should've flicked it on first try and movement done.

All this crawing over kicking it long is mad. Kicked it long and Dan Burn would've just headed it back to the edge of our box immediately.


Burn wouldn't have got anywhere near it if Muric had kicked it into the stand and wasted some time so close to half-time.

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The third goal on 10:50 - Dec 24 with 746 viewsibbleobble

The third goal on 08:09 - Dec 24 by itfcjoe

Walton didn’t get the nod to replace Hladky at a lower level so it’s very unlikely he’s now deemed good enough for this one. He had an ok game against Liverpool but did nothing to suggest he should play more in the cup games both this season and last.

Only way I see Muric not playing is if we go out and sign a GK in January which feels unlikely


…and on what basis has Muric shown he’s better than Walton? No nonsense stats about catches or saves either please. Last season Walton got injured and Hladky did well - there was no reason to change a winning team. This season Walton did well and Muric came in but we’re a losing team so why not make the change?

In my opinion, the longer this drags on, the weaker KM looks and the more likely we are to get relegated. Walton is a very good keeper irrespective of division. He’s well overdue a shot because he’ll be very hungry and determined and has proven he’s far less error prone. Walton in.

This is KMs first really big selection conundrum. I can’t think of another at this scale where’s he had to be ruthless.
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The third goal on 11:39 - Dec 24 with 732 viewsJammyDodgerrr

The third goal on 10:08 - Dec 24 by TheBlueGnu

Burn wouldn't have got anywhere near it if Muric had kicked it into the stand and wasted some time so close to half-time.


You're right. A different Newcastle player would've picked it up and thrown it towards our box instead.

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The third goal on 12:50 - Dec 24 with 679 viewsitfc_statman

The third goal on 10:50 - Dec 24 by ibbleobble

…and on what basis has Muric shown he’s better than Walton? No nonsense stats about catches or saves either please. Last season Walton got injured and Hladky did well - there was no reason to change a winning team. This season Walton did well and Muric came in but we’re a losing team so why not make the change?

In my opinion, the longer this drags on, the weaker KM looks and the more likely we are to get relegated. Walton is a very good keeper irrespective of division. He’s well overdue a shot because he’ll be very hungry and determined and has proven he’s far less error prone. Walton in.

This is KMs first really big selection conundrum. I can’t think of another at this scale where’s he had to be ruthless.


"Tell me why Muric is better than Walton, but don't use anything useful like the amount of saves he makes"
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The third goal on 13:15 - Dec 24 with 632 viewsibbleobble

The third goal on 12:50 - Dec 24 by itfc_statman

"Tell me why Muric is better than Walton, but don't use anything useful like the amount of saves he makes"


Come on Statman, give us some random out of context stats to support your argument. Guess what? Walton makes saves too!
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