| The third goal 22:17 - Dec 21 with 11806 views | Garv |
It's not even Muric's fault. It's the same pass we play every week and we've not made that mistake until now.
It's down to Cajuste, he strangely tries to take a touch and roll his man. Morsy just pops that off to O'Shea/Clarke in that situation when he gets it.
Yeah there's an argument for game management at that stage of the game, going into half time, but there's also the argument that pumping it long to Szmodics wasn't doing any good, and we had to keep trying to pass through them.
That's not on Muric in my opinion. |  |
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| The third goal on 16:51 - Dec 22 with 1204 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The third goal on 16:26 - Dec 22 by ibbleobble |
It’s really not. You’re missing the point. Making an option doesn’t mean you have to have the ball. Make the run to create the space but the pass doesn’t need to be made. It’s an idiotic pass which was never on. You’re wrong. |
Cajuste was the cm option calling for the ball. If he didn't call for it then I agree he doesn't have to be played. But the keeper is trusting his cm who is showing he's in control of the situation. |  |
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| The third goal on 16:53 - Dec 22 with 1205 views | PhilTWTD |
| The third goal on 13:02 - Dec 22 by reusersfreekicks |
Just seen it now. Crazy pass to make. Don't think Mckenna advocates such risky passes whatever philosophy |
Here's what Kieran said afterwards: “I think the particular action we’ve done time and time again this season and time and time again last season and we’re actually one of the teams who have conceded the fewest from building up, we’ve been good with it."
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| The third goal on 16:56 - Dec 22 with 1175 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The third goal on 16:38 - Dec 22 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
McKenna has never said Muric is instructed to play that ball every time they drop off regardless of circumstance and if you watch us play you’ll see there are also countless times where he doesn’t
I do agree that the one option Cajuste did have was to go back to Muric, but then the end result of that is a rushed clearance anyway, so he may aswell have gone with a different option in the first place
Not sure what to make of your last paragraph other than to say you’ve clearly lost the plot on your if you think footballers don’t take the position of opposition players into account when selecting a pass
Clearly the pass he made is encouraged and used often, but it’s still up to Muric to select the best option any time he has the ball, which on this occasion it obviously wasn’t |
Yes. Indeed there are. Most times when the dummy drop is played and his chips it to the flanks. Not when he's being asked to play the ball.
I honestly don't get the desperation for it to be seen as murics fault.
The last paragraph is just saying that gks esp when playing that risk ossocisted football don't spend time checking how far back a pressing player is. Most of the time he won't even cleanly see an opposing player as his own teammate will be blocking the view anyway.
The trust is built with your teammates that if they call for it its because they can be trusted to deal with it. | |
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| The third goal on 17:35 - Dec 22 with 1124 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| The third goal on 16:56 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes. Indeed there are. Most times when the dummy drop is played and his chips it to the flanks. Not when he's being asked to play the ball.
I honestly don't get the desperation for it to be seen as murics fault.
The last paragraph is just saying that gks esp when playing that risk ossocisted football don't spend time checking how far back a pressing player is. Most of the time he won't even cleanly see an opposing player as his own teammate will be blocking the view anyway.
The trust is built with your teammates that if they call for it its because they can be trusted to deal with it. |
I get why we play from the back.
What I dont get is why, when it is clearly going wrong, they try to pass into trouble when Row Z would be a much safer option. |  | | |
| The third goal on 17:37 - Dec 22 with 1113 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The third goal on 17:35 - Dec 22 by flykickingbybgunn |
I get why we play from the back.
What I dont get is why, when it is clearly going wrong, they try to pass into trouble when Row Z would be a much safer option. |
Because for 44 minutes it hadn't gone wrong
We didn't do much with the ball but there no issues with the ball playing at the back until that moment. There were also no issues after that moment. | |
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| The third goal on 17:38 - Dec 22 with 1118 views | 3_5_2 |
I may get slaughtered for saying something against the club / team (seemingly it’s not allowed) but I blame Muric. Just because that’s the game plan, it dosnt mean you do it 2-0 down, near half time. There were better options and he failed to play percentages.
Southampton have been appalling playing out from the back and today most of their passes back to the GK went long and they kept a clean sheet v a good Fulham side away. I’m not saying we “go long” with or without Delap but Muric is poor with his feet and no improvement on Hadlky
Muric looks devoid of confidence playing out of the back and out defence looks jittery in front of him
My view is we need to give Walton a run of games. |  |
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| The third goal on 17:40 - Dec 22 with 1108 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The third goal on 16:53 - Dec 22 by PhilTWTD |
Here's what Kieran said afterwards: “I think the particular action we’ve done time and time again this season and time and time again last season and we’re actually one of the teams who have conceded the fewest from building up, we’ve been good with it."
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Would he really say he should have done that? |  | | |
| The third goal on 17:42 - Dec 22 with 1102 views | reusersfreekicks |
I hear Southampton played out from the back a lot less today. And conceded 0 | | | |
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| The third goal on 17:48 - Dec 22 with 1073 views | PhilTWTD |
| The third goal on 17:40 - Dec 22 by reusersfreekicks |
Would he really say he should have done that? |
It is a facet of how we play, and have done for a couple of seasons. Obviously he would want it executed better but evidently doesn't want us to stop playing out like that. And, as others have said, we didn't really have an option to go long with no Delap or Hirst. | | | |
| The third goal on 17:59 - Dec 22 with 1042 views | DJR |
It has been notable this season that we have gone long much more than last season.
The issue though is that Muric's long kicking isn't particularly good, so it really means we just concede possession.
As regards playing it short, I feel without Hladky and Wolfenden that we don't have such good players to do it as we did last season.
In any event, the third goal we conceded was not the time to play it short. And I thought I heard McKenna say on Radio Suffolk that there were a couple of mistakes for the third goal which suggests to me that he thought Muric was at least in part at fault. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 21:28]
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| The third goal on 18:03 - Dec 22 with 1025 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The third goal on 17:48 - Dec 22 by PhilTWTD |
It is a facet of how we play, and have done for a couple of seasons. Obviously he would want it executed better but evidently doesn't want us to stop playing out like that. And, as others have said, we didn't really have an option to go long with no Delap or Hirst. |
I get that but that actual play still feels like bad decision making, a goal as the outcome was a strong probability. Cajuste was just too tightly marked and we needed to get to half time without further damage.
Otherwise the dogma has gone too far | | | |
| The third goal on 18:04 - Dec 22 with 1026 views | 3_5_2 |
| The third goal on 17:48 - Dec 22 by PhilTWTD |
It is a facet of how we play, and have done for a couple of seasons. Obviously he would want it executed better but evidently doesn't want us to stop playing out like that. And, as others have said, we didn't really have an option to go long with no Delap or Hirst. |
Dosnt have to be down the middle. Burns is decent in the air and often beats any fb that way. Sometimes it’s better to hit the channels, turn them round and press.
He could have played it to Burgess who was unmarked, yes he had a player 20 yards away but not right up his arse on the edge of box facing his own goal.
You will not convince me Muric is any better than Hladky. | |
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| The third goal on 18:08 - Dec 22 with 1012 views | Ryorry |
| The third goal on 18:04 - Dec 22 by 3_5_2 |
Dosnt have to be down the middle. Burns is decent in the air and often beats any fb that way. Sometimes it’s better to hit the channels, turn them round and press.
He could have played it to Burgess who was unmarked, yes he had a player 20 yards away but not right up his arse on the edge of box facing his own goal.
You will not convince me Muric is any better than Hladky. |
"but not right up his arse on the edge of box facing his own goal."
Precisely that. Was the mad option. Kieran's being kind & taking one for Muric there. |  |
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| The third goal on 19:16 - Dec 22 with 923 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| The third goal on 17:48 - Dec 22 by PhilTWTD |
It is a facet of how we play, and have done for a couple of seasons. Obviously he would want it executed better but evidently doesn't want us to stop playing out like that. And, as others have said, we didn't really have an option to go long with no Delap or Hirst. |
I dont say stop playing like that. I just say that when it comes to a choice of giving it away to an opposing forward sometimes Row Z has it's appeal | | | |
| The third goal on 20:12 - Dec 22 with 888 views | Libero |
Academically, I agree- however other more simple passes were available and Muric dithered and delayed then played to Cajuste after going to play the ball elsewhere and changing his mind- simply put, Muric’s decision making put us in a situation of peril and Newcastle capitalised.
If Muric hadn’t dithered Cajuste would have had more time on the ball and potentially been able to lay it off to his left in a comfortable fashion and more play on. |  | | |
| The third goal on 20:38 - Dec 22 with 865 views | PhilTWTD |
| The third goal on 18:08 - Dec 22 by Ryorry |
"but not right up his arse on the edge of box facing his own goal."
Precisely that. Was the mad option. Kieran's being kind & taking one for Muric there. |
But players take the ball all the time on the edge of the area in that manner. Rarely in a situation like that are you going to make the run Cajuste makes and someone doesn't follow you. | | | |
| The third goal on 22:18 - Dec 22 with 772 views | NeedhamChris |
| The third goal on 19:16 - Dec 22 by flykickingbybgunn |
I dont say stop playing like that. I just say that when it comes to a choice of giving it away to an opposing forward sometimes Row Z has it's appeal |
You could apply that 'logic' to every pass like that though, which means you are basically staying stop playing like that. |  |
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| The third goal on 22:24 - Dec 22 with 764 views | StNeotsBlue |
| The third goal on 20:38 - Dec 22 by PhilTWTD |
But players take the ball all the time on the edge of the area in that manner. Rarely in a situation like that are you going to make the run Cajuste makes and someone doesn't follow you. |
Of course but in this particular situation it was the wrong ball for Muric to play, seconds before half time and Cajuste with a player rapidly shutting him down in the area. Muric is facing the play and should be able to see that a clearance was the best option in this case. FWIW I'm all for playing out from the back and it has been generally very successful for us but Muric is at fault for this one. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 22:31]
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| The third goal on 22:25 - Dec 22 with 757 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The third goal on 20:38 - Dec 22 by PhilTWTD |
But players take the ball all the time on the edge of the area in that manner. Rarely in a situation like that are you going to make the run Cajuste makes and someone doesn't follow you. |
Also a reason we needed a third midfielder to match Newcastle as it would helped muric with another option.
Look at the villa goal yesterday. Same double pivot.. but look a third option..
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| The third goal on 22:29 - Dec 22 with 742 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The third goal on 22:24 - Dec 22 by StNeotsBlue |
Of course but in this particular situation it was the wrong ball for Muric to play, seconds before half time and Cajuste with a player rapidly shutting him down in the area. Muric is facing the play and should be able to see that a clearance was the best option in this case. FWIW I'm all for playing out from the back and it has been generally very successful for us but Muric is at fault for this one. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 22:31]
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However cajuste could have played it first time we passed it around the press. Played in szmodics and scored a goal and made it 1-2 going in at HT.
Remember how many times even with hladky it felt like he should have gone long yet we didn't but scored from it.
As KM.said. the least amount for goals conceded from playing the ball at the back.. | |
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| The third goal on 22:57 - Dec 22 with 719 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The third goal on 22:29 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
However cajuste could have played it first time we passed it around the press. Played in szmodics and scored a goal and made it 1-2 going in at HT.
Remember how many times even with hladky it felt like he should have gone long yet we didn't but scored from it.
As KM.said. the least amount for goals conceded from playing the ball at the back.. |
He actually said one of the teams who have conceded the fewest, not the team that has conceded the least but hey hi let's not go all literal again | | | |
| The third goal on 22:58 - Dec 22 with 713 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The third goal on 22:57 - Dec 22 by reusersfreekicks |
He actually said one of the teams who have conceded the fewest, not the team that has conceded the least but hey hi let's not go all literal again |
Seriously why do you have to be a dk? | |
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| The third goal on 23:00 - Dec 22 with 712 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The third goal on 22:58 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Seriously why do you have to be a dk? |
Cos facts matter | | | |
| The third goal on 23:04 - Dec 22 with 688 views | FrimleyBlue |
Do they? Because the facts are our keeper is doing whats asked of him. Our fullback is doing what's asked of him and our side being asked to pretend they are on par with other clubs at this level so just play out usual way. So if you're questioning player performances then you have to question the manager. If you aren't happy to question the manager because of the credit he has. Then facts don't matter. | |
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| The third goal on 23:09 - Dec 22 with 683 views | Libero |
| The third goal on 23:04 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Do they? Because the facts are our keeper is doing whats asked of him. Our fullback is doing what's asked of him and our side being asked to pretend they are on par with other clubs at this level so just play out usual way. So if you're questioning player performances then you have to question the manager. If you aren't happy to question the manager because of the credit he has. Then facts don't matter. |
Didn’t you get told off by the Burns family for exactly this kind of silliness? | | | |
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