| The third goal 22:17 - Dec 21 with 11468 views | Garv |
It's not even Muric's fault. It's the same pass we play every week and we've not made that mistake until now.
It's down to Cajuste, he strangely tries to take a touch and roll his man. Morsy just pops that off to O'Shea/Clarke in that situation when he gets it.
Yeah there's an argument for game management at that stage of the game, going into half time, but there's also the argument that pumping it long to Szmodics wasn't doing any good, and we had to keep trying to pass through them.
That's not on Muric in my opinion. |  |
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| The third goal on 01:14 - Dec 22 with 1522 views | townblue |
I think as been said elsewhere, cajuste looks like he was coming close to draw a man and seemed surprised the ball is given to him. GK has better view of the the pitch and has to make a better choice. |  | | |
| The third goal on 04:59 - Dec 22 with 1439 views | Benters |
| The third goal on 22:36 - Dec 21 by Illinoisblue |
We’re 2-0 down and just seconds to go before half time. Just whack it long or out for a throw and go in and regroup. It was foolish from Muric and poor from Cajuste |
This. |  |
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| The third goal on 05:01 - Dec 22 with 1441 views | Benters |
He should have hoofed it out rather than try to be clever.
If In doubt hoof it out. | |
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| The third goal on 05:23 - Dec 22 with 1428 views | USA |
| The third goal on 23:01 - Dec 21 by Swailsey |
No it wasn’t: their player was closer, hence he won the ball back. The situation was different hence the different outcome.
You’re letting your anti-KM fog blind you here I think. [Post edited 21 Dec 2024 23:02]
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I think you’ve got you anti FrimleyBlue fog blinding you here.
Cajuste tried to turn instead of playing the ball.
The player was no tight than all the other occasions it happened all half. All the balls that Morsy received and passed were knife edge tight. |  | | |
| The third goal on 07:41 - Dec 22 with 1388 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The third goal on 23:49 - Dec 21 by Garv |
And yet if Cajuste plays the usual pass out to the RCB/RB first time, that goal doesn't happen.
I don't think the player receiving that pass in our team (Morsy generally) ever tries to turn there, it's suicide, you just play the first time pass. |
He couldn’t play it to O’Shea as Isak had covered the line between them and same with Gordon for Clarke. Davis had dropped off but the pass was played inside of Cajuste on our right side so no chance of playing first time out to him
He had literally nothing on and was being closed down hard - it was never on and Muric should have seen that and chosen another option. And anyone that thinks he’s been told to play that way misses the point that whilst it’s obviously encouraged it’s still on him to choose the right option in each situation [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 9:25]
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| The third goal on 09:09 - Dec 22 with 1324 views | cressi |
| The third goal on 07:41 - Dec 22 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
He couldn’t play it to O’Shea as Isak had covered the line between them and same with Gordon for Clarke. Davis had dropped off but the pass was played inside of Cajuste on our right side so no chance of playing first time out to him
He had literally nothing on and was being closed down hard - it was never on and Muric should have seen that and chosen another option. And anyone that thinks he’s been told to play that way misses the point that whilst it’s obviously encouraged it’s still on him to choose the right option in each situation [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 9:25]
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The right option was to kick it long we are discussing the same co*k up every other game which tells you his decision making is horrendous. | | | |
| The third goal on 09:24 - Dec 22 with 1306 views | ibbleobble |
No mate. It was a brain dead pass at that stage of the game. Cajuste is right to bring their player in to create space behind. Muric is a doughnut. Walton in. The decision should have been made on the 26th October. It’s mid December. KM has to be bold now. Every game from here on in when Muric starts is a bad reflection on him now and shows weakness. | | | |
| The third goal on 09:35 - Dec 22 with 1285 views | Swailsey |
| The third goal on 05:23 - Dec 22 by USA |
I think you’ve got you anti FrimleyBlue fog blinding you here.
Cajuste tried to turn instead of playing the ball.
The player was no tight than all the other occasions it happened all half. All the balls that Morsy received and passed were knife edge tight. |
I'm not anti-Frimley at all and I stick up for him a lot. |  |
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| The third goal on 12:14 - Dec 22 with 1196 views | RadioOrwell |
| The third goal on 00:15 - Dec 22 by cressi |
Muric has a mistake in him every game since the friendlies at Spurs we got lucky after we escaped another horror pass. His decision making is non league level .
At the moment a poor buy who will help us go down. |
Proper test for KM this one.
You almost expect an expensive mistake from Muric these days.
Plus we have the problem of Davis going walkabout at Left Back.
Definitely not a job for the feint hearted. |  | | |
| The third goal on 12:18 - Dec 22 with 1189 views | gramps |
| The third goal on 00:15 - Dec 22 by cressi |
Muric has a mistake in him every game since the friendlies at Spurs we got lucky after we escaped another horror pass. His decision making is non league level .
At the moment a poor buy who will help us go down. |
Several suggestions about getting Walton back - but what about giving Slicker a chance. Been at Man City and seen how Edderson plays and is supposedly good with his feet, In the Scotland squad so well thought of. |  |
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| The third goal on 12:49 - Dec 22 with 1156 views | SE1blue |
Ignoring the 3rd goal, I just don’t think Muric suits the football McKenna wants us to play.
He is clearly a great shot stopper and has pulled off some ridiculous saves. But he’s not good with his feet and his split second-decision making is equally poor. He’s not a terrible keeper, just not what we need him to be.
And as much as McKenna is a god I don’t think Muric can learn fast enough for this league. |  |
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| The third goal on 12:51 - Dec 22 with 1155 views | itfc_statman |
It's tactically the most dangerous pass in football and it's one we should be playing less and less of not more of. It's not on either of them, it's a decision of tactical naivety. | | | |
| The third goal on 13:02 - Dec 22 with 1140 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The third goal on 12:51 - Dec 22 by itfc_statman |
It's tactically the most dangerous pass in football and it's one we should be playing less and less of not more of. It's not on either of them, it's a decision of tactical naivety. |
Just seen it now. Crazy pass to make. Don't think Mckenna advocates such risky passes whatever philosophy |  | | |
| The third goal on 15:06 - Dec 22 with 1047 views | Crock |
| The third goal on 07:41 - Dec 22 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
He couldn’t play it to O’Shea as Isak had covered the line between them and same with Gordon for Clarke. Davis had dropped off but the pass was played inside of Cajuste on our right side so no chance of playing first time out to him
He had literally nothing on and was being closed down hard - it was never on and Muric should have seen that and chosen another option. And anyone that thinks he’s been told to play that way misses the point that whilst it’s obviously encouraged it’s still on him to choose the right option in each situation [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 9:25]
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He could have passed it left to Burgess. |  |
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| The third goal on 15:07 - Dec 22 with 1041 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The third goal on 15:06 - Dec 22 by Crock |
He could have passed it left to Burgess. |
Or back to muric.
Watched it again. Cajuste runs. Looks over his shoulder slows down to allow the Newcastle player to get close as he receives the ball then tries to turn him..
100% that's on cajuste. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 15:19]
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| The third goal on 15:28 - Dec 22 with 1023 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| The third goal on 15:07 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Or back to muric.
Watched it again. Cajuste runs. Looks over his shoulder slows down to allow the Newcastle player to get close as he receives the ball then tries to turn him..
100% that's on cajuste. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 15:19]
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Muric is, or should be, an intelligent enough footballer to be able to perceive the danger of an attacker bearing down on Cajuste the way he was, and not pass to him, even if he wanted the ball. It's certainly not 100% on Muric, but it's also not 100% on Cajuste. Supposedly one of the main factors in us signing Muric was his ability with the ball at his feet, and we've seen virtually nothing to suggest there's anything remarkable about it. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 15:29]
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| The third goal on 15:30 - Dec 22 with 1010 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The third goal on 15:28 - Dec 22 by FoghornGleghorn |
Muric is, or should be, an intelligent enough footballer to be able to perceive the danger of an attacker bearing down on Cajuste the way he was, and not pass to him, even if he wanted the ball. It's certainly not 100% on Muric, but it's also not 100% on Cajuste. Supposedly one of the main factors in us signing Muric was his ability with the ball at his feet, and we've seen virtually nothing to suggest there's anything remarkable about it. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 15:29]
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The danger was there all half. It's what we do.
Suddenly people want the keeper to ignore his managers instructions. | |
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| The third goal on 15:34 - Dec 22 with 1009 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| The third goal on 15:30 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
The danger was there all half. It's what we do.
Suddenly people want the keeper to ignore his managers instructions. |
Not to that degree it wasn't, Cajuste was running back towards him, into the area, with a man right behind him. It was going to be hard enough for him to control the ball, let alone do anything positive with it. Cajuste calling for it (if he did) obviously didn't help, but Muric doesn't have to pass to him. Game was lost anyway so it's not like it was pivotal, but crap decision-making seems to be a feature of his game. | | | |
| The third goal on 15:38 - Dec 22 with 990 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The third goal on 15:06 - Dec 22 by Crock |
He could have passed it left to Burgess. |
Sorry, mistook Burgess for Leif in my post, he couldn’t pass to him as the pass from Muric was played at an angle that made that pass impossible | |
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| The third goal on 15:39 - Dec 22 with 984 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The third goal on 15:34 - Dec 22 by FoghornGleghorn |
Not to that degree it wasn't, Cajuste was running back towards him, into the area, with a man right behind him. It was going to be hard enough for him to control the ball, let alone do anything positive with it. Cajuste calling for it (if he did) obviously didn't help, but Muric doesn't have to pass to him. Game was lost anyway so it's not like it was pivotal, but crap decision-making seems to be a feature of his game. |
Cajuste calling for it. He has to know what he plans to do when he gets it. By slowing his run he's invited the press being tighter than what it would have been had cajuste not slowed down.. what should have happened Is cajuste makes his run but doesn't call for it, Sammy drops deep and the ball is chipped behind cajuste into the gap made by him. But as cajuste called for he has to own it.
Sammy owned it all half. But he didn't turn he played first time passes if he was being high pressed. | |
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| The third goal on 15:41 - Dec 22 with 975 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The third goal on 15:30 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
The danger was there all half. It's what we do.
Suddenly people want the keeper to ignore his managers instructions. |
I don’t know why you keep saying he’s instructed to play that as if it’s the only pass he ever makes | |
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| The third goal on 15:46 - Dec 22 with 960 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The third goal on 15:41 - Dec 22 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I don’t know why you keep saying he’s instructed to play that as if it’s the only pass he ever makes |
Because hes simply instructed to pass it short to his cms when they drop and ask for the ball.
Kms backed that up after every game to make everyone aware of that. He played the exact same ball the whole 44 minutes of the half. If that was a one off ball I'd say fair enough silly mistake but it wasn't it happened time and time again. It's the ball that all gks play out when they are asked to play the ball to the pivot midfielders.
Cajiste passes that ball first time even back to muric and he then hoofs it. Nothing is said about it. Just like the 100 exact same passes he made to morsy and cajust all half. But because of 1 mistake by cajuste suddenly its the keepers fault.
People saying muric should be thinking of the opponent.. no.. as if he thinks about that, he will never make that pass. All he will ever see is an opponent pressing his cms and wondering everytime if it's the right pass or not. For that level of football and intensity of doing it, he has to trust his midfielders. He can't be second guessing every moment before playing the ball. No keeper will who's been asked to play those balls to his defenders and cms. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 15:49]
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| The third goal on 15:49 - Dec 22 with 957 views | Esseeja |
| The third goal on 15:39 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Cajuste calling for it. He has to know what he plans to do when he gets it. By slowing his run he's invited the press being tighter than what it would have been had cajuste not slowed down.. what should have happened Is cajuste makes his run but doesn't call for it, Sammy drops deep and the ball is chipped behind cajuste into the gap made by him. But as cajuste called for he has to own it.
Sammy owned it all half. But he didn't turn he played first time passes if he was being high pressed. |
It's not just this, but everyone ignoring the fact that when he made the same exact pass to Morsy, Morsy was instantly pressed by the player closest to him, as close as the man was on Cajuste. Everyone is ignoring this argument as if it was not the same situation. It was.
I don't want to blame a specific player, if we were pointing fingers, I'd point at Cajuste, but it's tough in that position, especially for Muric, because we didn't have anyone up front physically capable enough to win the long ball, and we still had about 45 seconds until the end of the half.
It's just poor from Cajuste.
The right decision was use your left foot to drill a pass to your right with your left foot like Morsy does to his left with his right foot. Burgess is in the correct position waiting for the pass to be made, should it be made to him.
The actual argument should be whether or not it should be the way we play, and my answer is that it's complicated, because we didn't have a preferred striker playing on the pitch. | | | |
| The third goal on 16:26 - Dec 22 with 915 views | ibbleobble |
| The third goal on 15:07 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Or back to muric.
Watched it again. Cajuste runs. Looks over his shoulder slows down to allow the Newcastle player to get close as he receives the ball then tries to turn him..
100% that's on cajuste. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 15:19]
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It’s really not. You’re missing the point. Making an option doesn’t mean you have to have the ball. Make the run to create the space but the pass doesn’t need to be made. It’s an idiotic pass which was never on. You’re wrong. | | | |
| The third goal on 16:38 - Dec 22 with 902 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The third goal on 15:46 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Because hes simply instructed to pass it short to his cms when they drop and ask for the ball.
Kms backed that up after every game to make everyone aware of that. He played the exact same ball the whole 44 minutes of the half. If that was a one off ball I'd say fair enough silly mistake but it wasn't it happened time and time again. It's the ball that all gks play out when they are asked to play the ball to the pivot midfielders.
Cajiste passes that ball first time even back to muric and he then hoofs it. Nothing is said about it. Just like the 100 exact same passes he made to morsy and cajust all half. But because of 1 mistake by cajuste suddenly its the keepers fault.
People saying muric should be thinking of the opponent.. no.. as if he thinks about that, he will never make that pass. All he will ever see is an opponent pressing his cms and wondering everytime if it's the right pass or not. For that level of football and intensity of doing it, he has to trust his midfielders. He can't be second guessing every moment before playing the ball. No keeper will who's been asked to play those balls to his defenders and cms. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 15:49]
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McKenna has never said Muric is instructed to play that ball every time they drop off regardless of circumstance and if you watch us play you’ll see there are also countless times where he doesn’t
I do agree that the one option Cajuste did have was to go back to Muric, but then the end result of that is a rushed clearance anyway, so he may aswell have gone with a different option in the first place
Not sure what to make of your last paragraph other than to say you’ve clearly lost the plot on your if you think footballers don’t take the position of opposition players into account when selecting a pass
Clearly the pass he made is encouraged and used often, but it’s still up to Muric to select the best option any time he has the ball, which on this occasion it obviously wasn’t | |
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