| £30m for Doak?! 10:34 - Jan 4 with 5015 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Guess that rules us out, shame.
Does FFP not count anymore? How can we spend so much? |  |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 10:41 - Jan 4 with 4492 views | ipswichtillidie |
There as always is a compromise in the middle. Wouldn’t read anything into a 30m asking price. 20-25 will get it done “if” they are actually prepared to sell. |  |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 10:42 - Jan 4 with 4472 views | SomethingBlue |
Imagine a Hutchinson-type fee – which seems the reasonable amount for Liverpool to aspire towards – would do it if we really wanted to. |  |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 10:43 - Jan 4 with 4461 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| £30m for Doak?! on 10:41 - Jan 4 by ipswichtillidie |
There as always is a compromise in the middle. Wouldn’t read anything into a 30m asking price. 20-25 will get it done “if” they are actually prepared to sell. |
Agreed, but my point remains, how can we keep spending when we aren’t balancing the books?
We aren’t getting millions back from transfer sales. | |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 10:43 - Jan 4 with 4457 views | Kieran_Knows |
| £30m for Doak?! on 10:42 - Jan 4 by SomethingBlue |
Imagine a Hutchinson-type fee – which seems the reasonable amount for Liverpool to aspire towards – would do it if we really wanted to. |
Yes, think it’ll be similar to Hutchinson. IIRC, Chelsea started out at wanting £30m for him in the summer, which got down to £18m plus add ons. |  |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 10:46 - Jan 4 with 4365 views | ipswichtillidie |
| £30m for Doak?! on 10:43 - Jan 4 by Wallingford_Boy |
Agreed, but my point remains, how can we keep spending when we aren’t balancing the books?
We aren’t getting millions back from transfer sales. |
We were prepared to spend 30m on a striker in the last window so suspect the budget is there for us. As fans I wouldn’t concern ourselves with FFP that’s MA job. Besides, if you flaunt it you get away with it for several years anyway. | |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 10:47 - Jan 4 with 4343 views | redrickstuhaart |
| £30m for Doak?! on 10:43 - Jan 4 by Wallingford_Boy |
Agreed, but my point remains, how can we keep spending when we aren’t balancing the books?
We aren’t getting millions back from transfer sales. |
You know that our income increased by about £130m this year?
If we stay up. then the three year period will include two lots of £130m against FFP. If down, we have sales to make. [Post edited 4 Jan 10:48]
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| £30m for Doak?! on 10:55 - Jan 4 with 4105 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| £30m for Doak?! on 10:47 - Jan 4 by redrickstuhaart |
You know that our income increased by about £130m this year?
If we stay up. then the three year period will include two lots of £130m against FFP. If down, we have sales to make. [Post edited 4 Jan 10:48]
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Really?! By £130m! Wowza, guess that was mainly commercial sales then as gates not increased much. | |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 10:58 - Jan 4 with 4075 views | redrickstuhaart |
| £30m for Doak?! on 10:55 - Jan 4 by Wallingford_Boy |
Really?! By £130m! Wowza, guess that was mainly commercial sales then as gates not increased much. |
There is 100 plus from tv in the prem. Ashton was speaking the other day about the challenge of moving from a turnover of 15m to nearer 150m overnight. [Post edited 4 Jan 10:59]
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| £30m for Doak?! on 10:59 - Jan 4 with 4060 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| £30m for Doak?! on 10:58 - Jan 4 by redrickstuhaart |
There is 100 plus from tv in the prem. Ashton was speaking the other day about the challenge of moving from a turnover of 15m to nearer 150m overnight. [Post edited 4 Jan 10:59]
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Is that included in the calculations? | |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 11:05 - Jan 4 with 3938 views | redrickstuhaart |
| £30m for Doak?! on 10:59 - Jan 4 by Wallingford_Boy |
Is that included in the calculations? |
Yes. FFP is based on a loss of about 30m a year, taken over three years (so less for the Champ / div 1 years) | | | |
| £30m for Doak?! on 11:09 - Jan 4 with 3869 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| £30m for Doak?! on 11:05 - Jan 4 by redrickstuhaart |
Yes. FFP is based on a loss of about 30m a year, taken over three years (so less for the Champ / div 1 years) |
In that case, spend, spend, spend! | |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 11:13 - Jan 4 with 3788 views | Basuco |
Liverpool are a club that always ask over the top prices IMO, if they think he is not good enough for their squad and will not develop to be a squad player, then he is not worth £30 million. |  | | |
| £30m for Doak?! on 11:24 - Jan 4 with 3594 views | Mullet |
Apparently he’s being touted as one to step up if Salah doesn’t stay. I doubt that, but suspect it’s leverage in some way for them. Plus they’re in no hurry or need to sell presumably. |  |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 11:27 - Jan 4 with 3553 views | cressi |
| £30m for Doak?! on 11:13 - Jan 4 by Basuco |
Liverpool are a club that always ask over the top prices IMO, if they think he is not good enough for their squad and will not develop to be a squad player, then he is not worth £30 million. |
What will probably happen if this is true a deal between 20 million and 25 million . Liverpool will want a 25% sell on clause and a matching clause with a small percentage knocked off. | | | |
| £30m for Doak?! on 11:50 - Jan 4 with 3316 views | Guthrum |
On the accounts, that's only £6m-£8m per year (plus another £2m-£3m in wages) amortised over a 4 or 5 year contract. Stay in the Prem and that's easily covered. |  |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 12:25 - Jan 4 with 2999 views | urbanpenguin |
| £30m for Doak?! on 11:50 - Jan 4 by Guthrum |
On the accounts, that's only £6m-£8m per year (plus another £2m-£3m in wages) amortised over a 4 or 5 year contract. Stay in the Prem and that's easily covered. |
I would also imagine any deal would be packed with some of the fee related to staying up, games played, goals scored etc etc to help spread it out over time and reduce risk. |  | | |
| £30m for Doak?! on 12:31 - Jan 4 with 2906 views | Stewart27 |
| £30m for Doak?! on 10:43 - Jan 4 by Wallingford_Boy |
Agreed, but my point remains, how can we keep spending when we aren’t balancing the books?
We aren’t getting millions back from transfer sales. |
You do know that we got a very large amount of money for getting promoted don’t you?
If we were relying on selling players to buy players we wouldn’t amass a single point in the premier league. Neither would any other newly promoted team. | | | |
| £30m for Doak?! on 13:23 - Jan 4 with 2476 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| £30m for Doak?! on 12:31 - Jan 4 by Stewart27 |
You do know that we got a very large amount of money for getting promoted don’t you?
If we were relying on selling players to buy players we wouldn’t amass a single point in the premier league. Neither would any other newly promoted team. |
Yes, that was mentioned earlier. | |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 13:31 - Jan 4 with 2416 views | bournemouthblue |
Forest spent £150 million in their first season, we must still have some wiggle room
Obviously some of that can be recovered in fees in the long run also, particularly given the profile of players we are investing in |  |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 13:32 - Jan 4 with 2409 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| £30m for Doak?! on 13:31 - Jan 4 by bournemouthblue |
Forest spent £150 million in their first season, we must still have some wiggle room
Obviously some of that can be recovered in fees in the long run also, particularly given the profile of players we are investing in |
So why not spend £30m on Doak then?
We go down we sell him for a decent fee, he keeps us up, we win either way. | |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 13:49 - Jan 4 with 2254 views | ITFCBlues |
| £30m for Doak?! on 13:32 - Jan 4 by Wallingford_Boy |
So why not spend £30m on Doak then?
We go down we sell him for a decent fee, he keeps us up, we win either way. |
I guess that comes into the thinking. They're probably looking at Delap being worth 60m already which would significantly offset things for FFP |  |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 14:01 - Jan 4 with 2115 views | LeoMuff |
| £30m for Doak?! on 11:24 - Jan 4 by Mullet |
Apparently he’s being touted as one to step up if Salah doesn’t stay. I doubt that, but suspect it’s leverage in some way for them. Plus they’re in no hurry or need to sell presumably. |
I watched him for Boro v Plymouth the other week, looked decent but no better than say Wes Burns in the championship last season. Can’t see him being anywhere near ready for a Liverpool side and definitely not to replace Salah.
Looked pacy and direct but been more impressed with the Millwall lad linked with Palace when I’ve seen him. |  |
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| £30m for Doak?! on 14:14 - Jan 4 with 2045 views | bsw72 |
| £30m for Doak?! on 10:43 - Jan 4 by Wallingford_Boy |
Agreed, but my point remains, how can we keep spending when we aren’t balancing the books?
We aren’t getting millions back from transfer sales. |
Transfer fees paid are spread over the contract period of the player. We’ve probably “only” spent around £35m against this season’s income. Average income for a PL side finishing in bottom 5 places is around £130-140m. However we are slightly more hamstrung by the fact that the £105m we are “allowed” to lose up to under PSR regulations over 3 years will include our last year in both League 1 and Championship. I reckon we have got another £40m to spend on players in Jan signed on a 5 year contract, taking this seasons accounted spend to around £45m.
The problem will be that if we get relegated our amortised costs going forward, even with parachute payments will mean we have to cash in on the likes of Delap. |  | | |
| £30m for Doak?! on 14:20 - Jan 4 with 1978 views | bournemouthblue |
| £30m for Doak?! on 14:01 - Jan 4 by LeoMuff |
I watched him for Boro v Plymouth the other week, looked decent but no better than say Wes Burns in the championship last season. Can’t see him being anywhere near ready for a Liverpool side and definitely not to replace Salah.
Looked pacy and direct but been more impressed with the Millwall lad linked with Palace when I’ve seen him. |
Looks more skillful than Burns, he doesn't look rapid though if there's a negative in there
I wonder if he's an alternative to Philogene [Post edited 4 Jan 14:34]
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| £30m for Doak?! on 14:34 - Jan 4 with 1897 views | LeoMuff |
| £30m for Doak?! on 14:20 - Jan 4 by bournemouthblue |
Looks more skillful than Burns, he doesn't look rapid though if there's a negative in there
I wonder if he's an alternative to Philogene [Post edited 4 Jan 14:34]
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He didn’t show more than Burns on that day, but I appreciate it was one game and Plymouth are sure at the back. | |
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