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Rewind 2 years and who would have been brave enough to think of Ipswich in the Premier League securing a front 3 who lead the line for England U21’s. The transformation is incredible but it will undoubtedly come at the expense of losing 3 or 4 of our previous promotion hero’s and fan favourites. The likes of Woolfy, Burgess, Clarke, Chaplin and Burns will have to make way and some moved on which is very sad but a result of the success and natural evolution of football if you want to compete at a higher level. The signings are very smart from a “Young English Asset” point of view and should hold the club in a good position regardless of where we finish with Delaps value probably writing off the cost of all 3.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:09 - Jan 9 with 3474 views
No sadness. Well paid footballers did excellent job. Some have now experienced the highest level, some may continue to do so. Some won't but will have memories and salaries that will last a lifetime.
Exciting is the feeling as if they go it means we are going places.
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:09 - Jan 9 by FrimleyBlue
No sadness. Well paid footballers did excellent job. Some have now experienced the highest level, some may continue to do so. Some won't but will have memories and salaries that will last a lifetime.
Exciting is the feeling as if they go it means we are going places.
You are probably right and no room for sentiment in football if you want to replicate a Forest, Brentford or Brighton.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:12 - Jan 9 with 3406 views
We've been devoid of success for so long it's natural to have sentiment for anyone that brought us the good times.
The heartbreak as sone alukos legs deserted him Jackson and harness going to derby, great mives from them but both so important on the return to the prem in there own way. Unlikely hero in hladky not renegotiating a contract Edmundson being loaned out after a cameo against the club he supports.
Odd to have so much sentiment towards players when I went so long not really being bothered about anyone that played for us and often feeling like those that did play for us weren't bothered either.
Definitely sad feeling like some of these hero's have run the race now and it's time to hand the baton over
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:20 - Jan 9 with 3238 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:09 - Jan 9 by FrimleyBlue
No sadness. Well paid footballers did excellent job. Some have now experienced the highest level, some may continue to do so. Some won't but will have memories and salaries that will last a lifetime.
Exciting is the feeling as if they go it means we are going places.
It means something to me to have local boys playing in the first team, even if they are foreign boys who grew up in Ipswich. Then players staying for a long time is also meaningful. A great case study is Luongo. He has probably already made his last meaningful contribution on the pitch, but he is a fan favourite. I really like Cajuste, who in effect is Luongo's replacement. If Cajuste stays for a few seasons he could be a player we all remember fondly. So it is not depressing, but it is a little sad to say goodbye to one and welcome another, but time changes everything, success too.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:21 - Jan 9 with 3201 views
They are only really fan favourites *because* of the success under McKenna/Ashton - it makes the memories better and so the emotional ties stronger, espeically in this case as it has been something quite special. Far fewer fan faves in the intervening years since we were relegated in 2002 before this period of success.
Either way, they are just employees who make way for new staff as the company grows and develops.
They have done their jobs and no doubt been very well rewarded both financially and also reputationally at a personal level, being visible on the global platform that is the Premier League.
Time to move on now.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:22 - Jan 9 with 3172 views
It truly is exciting to think that we might have such attacking talent at our disposal. I had feared that the resurrected Philogene story couldn't have legs, given how much we spent on (the very much second choice in the summer) Jack Clarke. So it's great to see that the ambition is renewed. We are the kings of January from the last two years. This may make it three.
However, it would be lovely to think that we can produce just one of those players who lead the line for the U21s ourselves. Whether Woolfenden leaves or not (and after the last three games in particular I hope not), the influence of our academy on the first team and even the fringes of the first team is really very disappointing. I am glad that Ashton has very much changed his tune on the importance of Cat 1, and it would be lovely to produce a Darren Bent or a Kieron Dyer and watch them play in the first team, in Europe, and maybe even keep them for a few years at the top level.
This post sounds negative, but I think the fact that we've achieved what we have done, with pretty minimal impact from players who have come through our own system is testament to the incredible skills, temperament, and of course resources, that Ashton, McKenna and the owners have shown over these last few years.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:25 - Jan 9 with 3117 views
It's football, you cannot show loyalty or expect loyalty. Which is why if a top 6 club come in for Delap in Jan and he jumps no problem from me. It's football.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:26 - Jan 9 with 3103 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:22 - Jan 9 by HighgateBlue
It truly is exciting to think that we might have such attacking talent at our disposal. I had feared that the resurrected Philogene story couldn't have legs, given how much we spent on (the very much second choice in the summer) Jack Clarke. So it's great to see that the ambition is renewed. We are the kings of January from the last two years. This may make it three.
However, it would be lovely to think that we can produce just one of those players who lead the line for the U21s ourselves. Whether Woolfenden leaves or not (and after the last three games in particular I hope not), the influence of our academy on the first team and even the fringes of the first team is really very disappointing. I am glad that Ashton has very much changed his tune on the importance of Cat 1, and it would be lovely to produce a Darren Bent or a Kieron Dyer and watch them play in the first team, in Europe, and maybe even keep them for a few years at the top level.
This post sounds negative, but I think the fact that we've achieved what we have done, with pretty minimal impact from players who have come through our own system is testament to the incredible skills, temperament, and of course resources, that Ashton, McKenna and the owners have shown over these last few years.
Our academy is going to be way behind others.
Due to a combination of us being cat 2 for so long, big boys sweeping up talent at 13/14 years of age & also the fact we’ve grown so much so quickly.
There's a parallel, I think, with the transition from Bill McGarry's team to Bobby Robson's, and then again the change from the 1976 to the 1980 team. Heroes forever due to what they achieved, and the right people for the time, but professional sport doesn't have feelings in the same way we fans do.
I don't imagine anyone who played for us in the Gamechanger era will ever have to buy a drink in Suffolk and that's as it should be.
football might be a business, with little loyalty, but it's also part of the game to get attached to players. they give us memories we can treasure (or wish to forget) which is why we all spend so much time on here talking about them. besides, nobody, whatever job they do, should be just be seen an employee. that's not human.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:45 - Jan 9 with 2873 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:21 - Jan 9 by bsw72
They are only really fan favourites *because* of the success under McKenna/Ashton - it makes the memories better and so the emotional ties stronger, espeically in this case as it has been something quite special. Far fewer fan faves in the intervening years since we were relegated in 2002 before this period of success.
Either way, they are just employees who make way for new staff as the company grows and develops.
They have done their jobs and no doubt been very well rewarded both financially and also reputationally at a personal level, being visible on the global platform that is the Premier League.
Time to move on now.
If they were just employees, then I wouldn't waste my time watching 11 men running around for 90 minutes.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:48 - Jan 9 with 2816 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:25 - Jan 9 by BloomBlue
It's football, you cannot show loyalty or expect loyalty. Which is why if a top 6 club come in for Delap in Jan and he jumps no problem from me. It's football.
You can show loyalty and expect loyalty in terms of respect. It's not at all disloyal for Delap to go for a huge profit that we can reinvest to grow. Delap isn't leaving this window. It makes absolutely no sense for him to leave mid-season and be a bench warmer or fight for a starting place.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 11:33 - Jan 9 with 2529 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:45 - Jan 9 by Europablue
If they were just employees, then I wouldn't waste my time watching 11 men running around for 90 minutes.
Fair enough, but footballers are just employees - we as the fans make the emotional ties, but as a club we should be less emotional. I was taking the view that hopefully the club takes.
I think the club is very good at not letting emotion rule the decision making, best example for me recently was not signing Sarmiento (not sure it was ever on teh cards tbh) - he made some vital contributions for us last season, but not sure he would have improved our squad this year . . .
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 11:36 - Jan 9 with 2483 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:25 - Jan 9 by BloomBlue
It's football, you cannot show loyalty or expect loyalty. Which is why if a top 6 club come in for Delap in Jan and he jumps no problem from me. It's football.
There's a difference between loyalty and respect. If a club was to come in for him, I would like to think he has the discussion with McK and Ashton over his future and all parties agree and we get the best deal we can in a professional manner.
I hate it when a player sulks / refuses to play / engineers a move, or a club freezes out a player to avoid paying a bonus, drops them to U21s or youth training and then everything gets played out in the media . . .
Look at the Szmodics transfer saga - not once did he let Blackburn down while everything was being discussed - that was a good indicator of character for me.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 11:40 - Jan 9 with 2448 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 11:33 - Jan 9 by bsw72
Fair enough, but footballers are just employees - we as the fans make the emotional ties, but as a club we should be less emotional. I was taking the view that hopefully the club takes.
I think the club is very good at not letting emotion rule the decision making, best example for me recently was not signing Sarmiento (not sure it was ever on teh cards tbh) - he made some vital contributions for us last season, but not sure he would have improved our squad this year . . .
In some cases yes.
Then.
Imagine you've supported Ipswich all your life and then you finally get to pull on the kit and play for that team and have success.
I don't thing anyone of that ilk would like to be thought of as just an employee and I don't think McKenna and Ashton think of their players as just employees either, because success doesn't come from that type of thinking.
On paper, yes, just employees, but this is all much more meaningful than that.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 11:59 - Jan 9 with 2250 views
It's the consequence of being at an ambitious upwardly mobile club that we are in the Gamechanger era and any player that has joined us would know not to expect the long comfortable career making 100s of appearances that was previously possible during the Marcus Evans Era of Mediocrity. Appreciate players when they are here, want them to thrive, but always hope for and expect upgrades when feasible. Wish them well when they move on. That's how it should be.
Veni Vidi Participatur. Now we can get back to competing.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 12:01 - Jan 9 with 2228 views
Yes these things repeat themselves. Rod Belfit was my favourite player but he was surpassed by David Johnson (Mk 1) who in turn was replaced by Mariner - another improvement. Again I was disappointed when local boy Talbot left - but you cant argue against Murhen & Thijssen.
Dyer leaving allowed us to buy Stewart amongst others and get promotion.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 12:04 - Jan 9 with 2182 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:25 - Jan 9 by BloomBlue
It's football, you cannot show loyalty or expect loyalty. Which is why if a top 6 club come in for Delap in Jan and he jumps no problem from me. It's football.
Curious as to your as why you cannot show or expect loyalty? You see the cliche trotted out a lot, but nobody actually says why.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 12:19 - Jan 9 with 2060 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:12 - Jan 9 by greyhound
We've been devoid of success for so long it's natural to have sentiment for anyone that brought us the good times.
The heartbreak as sone alukos legs deserted him Jackson and harness going to derby, great mives from them but both so important on the return to the prem in there own way. Unlikely hero in hladky not renegotiating a contract Edmundson being loaned out after a cameo against the club he supports.
Odd to have so much sentiment towards players when I went so long not really being bothered about anyone that played for us and often feeling like those that did play for us weren't bothered either.
Definitely sad feeling like some of these hero's have run the race now and it's time to hand the baton over
Bringing on back the good times did you say....
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 12:29 - Jan 9 with 1962 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:11 - Jan 9 by Damster
You are probably right and no room for sentiment in football if you want to replicate a Forest, Brentford or Brighton.
There is definitely room for Sentiment in football IMO.
Especially with this group of players. They genuinely cared. We have had some mercenaries play for this club who turned up for a wage and put little to no effort in.
I will be really sad when some of these players move on because they have given me some of the best moments of my life.
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 12:29 - Jan 9 by TRUE_BLUE123
There is definitely room for Sentiment in football IMO.
Especially with this group of players. They genuinely cared. We have had some mercenaries play for this club who turned up for a wage and put little to no effort in.
I will be really sad when some of these players move on because they have given me some of the best moments of my life.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 12:32 - Jan 9 with 1911 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 12:29 - Jan 9 by TRUE_BLUE123
There is definitely room for Sentiment in football IMO.
Especially with this group of players. They genuinely cared. We have had some mercenaries play for this club who turned up for a wage and put little to no effort in.
I will be really sad when some of these players move on because they have given me some of the best moments of my life.
Spot on. If football wasn't an emotionally invested sport, nobody would bother watching would they.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 12:45 - Jan 9 with 1791 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 10:09 - Jan 9 by FrimleyBlue
No sadness. Well paid footballers did excellent job. Some have now experienced the highest level, some may continue to do so. Some won't but will have memories and salaries that will last a lifetime.
Exciting is the feeling as if they go it means we are going places.
I think whether you find it sad or not is an individual thing and for me it is somewhat as these players really identified with the club, have a good attitude and propelled us up 2 divisions in a row.
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Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 12:50 - Jan 9 with 1756 views
Exciting Times with a tiny bit of sadness. on 12:29 - Jan 9 by TRUE_BLUE123
There is definitely room for Sentiment in football IMO.
Especially with this group of players. They genuinely cared. We have had some mercenaries play for this club who turned up for a wage and put little to no effort in.
I will be really sad when some of these players move on because they have given me some of the best moments of my life.
There is room for sentiment and there is no room for sentiment. This group of players have been special and what they achieved was phenomenal. They will always be part of the club.
They should also be looked after in that they should be respected and helped to find their next best move and leave on the same excellent terms as Jackson did.
Where there is no room for sentiment is in what the club is trying to do. Progress. If that means personnel has to change, so be it. It’s no different to the real world. Change is a fact of life.
In my career I brought in people and moved people on. Recruited and sadly had to fire a couple (the most ghastly of tasks). On a few occasions I was got rid of and on one occasion at a young age told quite directly that I wasn’t good enough to do the one thing I wanted to do. They were right too.
It’s just how it is and sport is an extreme version of it. For me, a bit like supporters calling out players they don’t like, it’s not what is done, it’s how it’s done - see Kaydon Js departure for how to do it right.
In terms of the change at the club, it feels like a runaway horse at the moment. I don’t understand the mind boggling numbers or of course what the plan is. The club appears measured by comparison to every era back to the Cobbolds’ pomp so I go with that. Compared to how it was just four years ago, omg, I still can’t quite believe it.
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