| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:15 - Jan 10 with 1008 views | Kievthegreat |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:11 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
I see Trump has already been successful in securing a meeting with Putin to discuss ending the Ukraine war. Something the Biden administration couldn't achieve in 3 years. But hey, Trump=bad right? |
I don't think that counts as a success? Surely it's Trump capitulating. He's the equivalent of Chamberlain meeting Hitler in Munich here. |  | |  |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:16 - Jan 10 with 990 views | blueasfook |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:14 - Jan 10 by eireblue |
I would imagine he will solve it in the same way he sorted out the Taliban in Afghanistan.
America aren’t spending money on the military in Afghanistan now, so a win for Trump. |
I don't think you can blame Trump for Afghanistan. The previous govt had already committed to withdrawing US forces with the expectation that the Afghan army would take over. Unfortunately that army all ran away when the US pulled out and the taliban returned. |  |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:16 - Jan 10 with 988 views | leitrimblue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:12 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
What are Labour doing about it? Name me 3 current policies they are enacting to address poverty. |
Think yer gonna need a labour fan boy for that.
You wanna explain what reform and the tories are gonna do about it?
I mean it's something that concerns you so much I'm sure it's one of your main reasons for supporting them  |  | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:18 - Jan 10 with 972 views | Zx1988 |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:15 - Jan 10 by Kievthegreat |
I don't think that counts as a success? Surely it's Trump capitulating. He's the equivalent of Chamberlain meeting Hitler in Munich here. |
I'll gladly donate £100 to the RNLI if any Trump-negotiated peace agreement involves the restoration of Ukraine to its pre-2014 borders.
I reckon there's a good chance that the message to Ukraine will be "the US is withdrawing funding. You can either carry on on your own, or agree to a peace that involves giving Russia its territorial demands". |  |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:19 - Jan 10 with 970 views | Help |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 09:47 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
All of you are missing the bigger picture here... Musk may be a d1ck but he's a powerful d1ck and has the ear of Donald Trump. You know, the guy who is about to become US president? If he's got a beef with our govt, it certainly isn't going to be good for UK-US relations particularly in terms of much needed new trade deals. Our economy is already struggling and being EU outcasts means we rely much more on the US for favourable trade deals. I imagine Sir Knifealot Mayor of London will get involved in more spats with Trump also to further fan the flames. At least Trump like Boris. He certainly isn't going to see Kier Starmer in the same light. I dont see good relations with the US during the next Trump administration. |
The US of A have a beef with everyone. All they want to do is rule the world. |  |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:20 - Jan 10 with 959 views | eireblue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:16 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
I don't think you can blame Trump for Afghanistan. The previous govt had already committed to withdrawing US forces with the expectation that the Afghan army would take over. Unfortunately that army all ran away when the US pulled out and the taliban returned. |
“ The Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan, commonly known as the United States–Taliban deal or the Doha Accord,[1] was a peace agreement signed by the United States and the Taliban on 29 February 2020 in Doha, Qatar, to bring an end to the 2001–2021 war in Afghanistan.[2][3] Negotiated for the US by Zalmay Khalilzad for the Trump administration, the agreement did not involve the then Afghan government.[4]” |  | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:20 - Jan 10 with 958 views | blueasfook |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:15 - Jan 10 by Kievthegreat |
I don't think that counts as a success? Surely it's Trump capitulating. He's the equivalent of Chamberlain meeting Hitler in Munich here. |
Well let's be honest, the western policy of sanctions and supplying arms to Ukraine hasn't ended the war. Russia has enough support from the likes of China and India for its economy to remain afloat and now sells it gas and oil to them. Plus their Iranian and North Korean pals to keep them supplied with arms. An alternative strategy must be explored to end the war. | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:24 - Jan 10 with 910 views | positivity |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:55 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
I think we need an election buh. Get Reform or tories in so America will be our friends. Sir Trump isnt going to like dealing with Keir Stammer and Lord Knifecrime. |
don't mock him, he'll take you seriously! | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:25 - Jan 10 with 905 views | blueasfook |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:20 - Jan 10 by eireblue |
“ The Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan, commonly known as the United States–Taliban deal or the Doha Accord,[1] was a peace agreement signed by the United States and the Taliban on 29 February 2020 in Doha, Qatar, to bring an end to the 2001–2021 war in Afghanistan.[2][3] Negotiated for the US by Zalmay Khalilzad for the Trump administration, the agreement did not involve the then Afghan government.[4]” |
yes but the Obama administration had already set in motion the commitment to withdrawing from Afghanistan. You think there would have been a different outcome if that had been achieved before Obama's term ended? | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:25 - Jan 10 with 901 views | blueasfook |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:19 - Jan 10 by Help |
The US of A have a beef with everyone. All they want to do is rule the world. |
Everybody wants to rule the world | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:28 - Jan 10 with 883 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:20 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
Well let's be honest, the western policy of sanctions and supplying arms to Ukraine hasn't ended the war. Russia has enough support from the likes of China and India for its economy to remain afloat and now sells it gas and oil to them. Plus their Iranian and North Korean pals to keep them supplied with arms. An alternative strategy must be explored to end the war. |
“ now sells it gas and oil to them”
You do realise they are selling it at a loss right, and in much smaller volumes than they were to the West given a lack of infrastructure. The Russian interest rate is over 20% to prop up the Rouble, whilst they’ve burned through over half their liquid sovereign wealth. Apart from that it’s going swimmingly for Russia.
Edit - and yes the war does need to end, but it needs to be Ukraine that ends it, not the US. [Post edited 10 Jan 13:29]
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:29 - Jan 10 with 873 views | leitrimblue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:25 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
Everybody wants to rule the world |
Aegh, so you've studied the writings of Roland Orzabal | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:30 - Jan 10 with 852 views | positivity |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:25 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
Everybody wants to rule the world |
sowing the seeds of hate | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:31 - Jan 10 with 848 views | blueasfook |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:29 - Jan 10 by leitrimblue |
Aegh, so you've studied the writings of Roland Orzabal |
Indeed. A most informed observer of the human condition. | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:31 - Jan 10 with 841 views | Zx1988 |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:20 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
Well let's be honest, the western policy of sanctions and supplying arms to Ukraine hasn't ended the war. Russia has enough support from the likes of China and India for its economy to remain afloat and now sells it gas and oil to them. Plus their Iranian and North Korean pals to keep them supplied with arms. An alternative strategy must be explored to end the war. |
What alternative strategy might that be?
Would you agree that any deal that does not restore Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is not worth pursuing? | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:33 - Jan 10 with 812 views | leitrimblue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:31 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
Indeed. A most informed observer of the human condition. |
His writings put that of other contemporary students of the human condition such as Howard Jones completely in the shade | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:34 - Jan 10 with 807 views | blueasfook |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:31 - Jan 10 by Zx1988 |
What alternative strategy might that be?
Would you agree that any deal that does not restore Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is not worth pursuing? |
So we have a war that goes on for 10/20 years? Maybe longer. I'd rather we have some peace on Europe's doorstep. Let's not forget, the west stood by and did nothing when the Russians took Crimea. | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:36 - Jan 10 with 793 views | blueasfook |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:33 - Jan 10 by leitrimblue |
His writings put that of other contemporary students of the human condition such as Howard Jones completely in the shade |
Quite. I think his only peer would be R. Smith who declared it's Friday when he's in love. | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:36 - Jan 10 with 790 views | BlueBadger |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:41 - Jan 10 by DJR |
For me, the real no-no when it comes to Musk is his support for the AfD, a far right organisation with neo-Nazi links.
To take just a few examples.
In 2017, ten AfD Bundestag members were found to have participated in a closed Facebook group named "the Patriots" in which, among other things, antisemitic, racist, pro-Nazi and conspiratorial posts were widespread.
A study commissioned by the American Jewish Committee in 2021 came to the conclusion that antisemitism belongs to the "programmatic core" of the AfD. According to the study, the party conducts "targeted campaigns" against Jewish celebrities. The study's author, Professor Lars Renmann, stated that "despite some lip service to the contrary, hostility towards Israel, Holocaust relativization, antisemitic conspiracy thinking and anti-Jewish images occupy a prominent place" in the AfD.
In January 2024, it was revealed that senior members of the party, including Roland Hartwig, then advisor to party co-leader Alice Weidel, attended a meeting alongside neo-Nazi influencers, where plans for the deportation of millions of "asylum seekers", "non-assimilated people", and those with "non-German backgrounds" were discussed, including those with German citizenship and residency rights. |
Occasional reminder here that Nigel Farage is a man so patriotic he once addressed an AfD rally. |  |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:36 - Jan 10 with 785 views | Zx1988 |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:34 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
So we have a war that goes on for 10/20 years? Maybe longer. I'd rather we have some peace on Europe's doorstep. Let's not forget, the west stood by and did nothing when the Russians took Crimea. |
So what you're saying is that, at present, your preferred solution is giving Putin what he wants, in return for a promise that he won't do it again?
Remind me how well that went last time that approach was tried? | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:37 - Jan 10 with 783 views | NedPlimpton |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:11 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
I see Trump has already been successful in securing a meeting with Putin to discuss ending the Ukraine war. Something the Biden administration couldn't achieve in 3 years. But hey, Trump=bad right? |
I'm sure that meeting will work out well for Ukraine! |  | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:37 - Jan 10 with 783 views | DanTheMan |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:20 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
Well let's be honest, the western policy of sanctions and supplying arms to Ukraine hasn't ended the war. Russia has enough support from the likes of China and India for its economy to remain afloat and now sells it gas and oil to them. Plus their Iranian and North Korean pals to keep them supplied with arms. An alternative strategy must be explored to end the war. |
Sanctions are working though. They've got a 20% interest rate combined with a 10% inflation rate. Food prices are getting high so his normal fans aren't having a great time of it.
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2025/01/russias-economic-dilemmas-give-trump-import
Meanwhile, our supplying arms has kept a rather small army at a stalemate against a much bigger foe. They expected this to be all wrapped up years ago. |  |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:37 - Jan 10 with 783 views | positivity |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:34 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
So we have a war that goes on for 10/20 years? Maybe longer. I'd rather we have some peace on Europe's doorstep. Let's not forget, the west stood by and did nothing when the Russians took Crimea. |
history shows that if you appease a dictator, they don't stop.
he'll just refuel and go back for seconds, maybe go for a nato country next time if trumpy's managed to destabilise them enough.
i'd rather we didn't have a much bigger war in europe | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:38 - Jan 10 with 774 views | blueasfook |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:36 - Jan 10 by Zx1988 |
So what you're saying is that, at present, your preferred solution is giving Putin what he wants, in return for a promise that he won't do it again?
Remind me how well that went last time that approach was tried? |
How do you know what any agreement might look like? I didn't say I was happy to let Putin get what he wants. | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:40 - Jan 10 with 761 views | Zx1988 |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:38 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
How do you know what any agreement might look like? I didn't say I was happy to let Putin get what he wants. |
But you are happy that Ukraine be told to sacrifice their sovereign territory in return for peace, right? | |
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