| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:47 - Jan 13 with 1262 views | Europablue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 09:50 - Jan 10 by positivity |
"I dont see good relations with the US during the next Trump administration."
really? did you know philogene sounds a bit like billy jean? |
The reason Philogene has backed out of coming to town is because he reads the forum and some fans have gone overboard on this whole billy jean thing. |  | |  |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:50 - Jan 13 with 1251 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:36 - Jan 13 by Europablue |
He's very much in the mold of Trump. He spouts a load of nonsense, but in amongst the noise are nuggets of information. It is amazing that it took a famous and influential foreigner to bring the concept of a grooming gang inquiry into the mainstream. A lot of people including myself strongly desire an inquiry because there clearly were some awful failures from the police in particular. The Conservatives jut tried to ignore it and now Labour is trying to ignore it.
On the flip side, there is the issue of foreign interference, but I think saying that a leader is awful and highlights the flaws of a foreign leader is fair game (plenty of British people have a public opinion on Donald Trump). The Labour Party's involvement in the US election and the potential of Musk funding Reform is potentially concerning. |
What specific recommendations would you like to see from a further inquiry that have not already featured as part of the previous two inquiries?
I just feel that another talking shop that takes years and has the potential to delay action ("we want to wait for the recommendations of the lastest inquiry") is simply a further betrayal of the victims. |  |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:51 - Jan 13 with 1239 views | Europablue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 09:59 - Jan 10 by baxterbasics |
Musk should be more careful if he really wants Starmer out, he's in danger of pushing public opinion the other way. KS was already doing an effective job of losing popularity without the intervention.
I'm a little baffled as to why someone in his (Musks) position cares enough about us to devote this much attention, I thought the UK was the insignificant and unimportant half of this 'special' relationship?!
Unless it really is solely about driving up engagement on X... |
Whether you agree with him or not, I do think Musk has a genuine concern about freedom of expression and England is the birthplace of freedom of speech, although it doesn't exist here anymore.
I don't think buying twitter was a business move, but why would the richest man in the world want more money? Wouldn't it be much more valuable to affect change in the way you see as more positive?
You can certainly say that Musk's net worth will be positively impacted by having the ear of the most powerful man on Earth. | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:54 - Jan 13 with 1215 views | Europablue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 10:11 - Jan 10 by positivity |
why? see the ketamine comments?
to me, he's giving off david brent vibes, just wants to be the centre of attention. experience tells him that the more nonsense he speaks, the more love he gets from his new chums. maybe quite appealing to someone who may have grown up without much of that? |
Musk is clearly a genius. Even though he says moronic stuff, it doesn't detract from the fact that he is clearly a brilliant engineer and businessman. | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:56 - Jan 13 with 1200 views | Europablue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 10:19 - Jan 10 by baxterbasics |
I have made this point before.... as deranged and unfit as Trump may be, from our perspective he might be a better friend than either Biden or Obama were. "Might" is doing some lifting though. |
Trump is a much better friend than Biden and Obama.
Trump reveres our history and culture, but he doesn't really understand it. Most American businessmen don't. It is why so many successful American businessmen fail in the UK and especially as football club owners. | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:02 - Jan 13 with 1178 views | Kievthegreat |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:54 - Jan 13 by Europablue |
Musk is clearly a genius. Even though he says moronic stuff, it doesn't detract from the fact that he is clearly a brilliant engineer and businessman. |
Musk is not an engineer. |  | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:07 - Jan 13 with 1152 views | lowhouseblue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:50 - Jan 13 by You_Bloo_Right |
What specific recommendations would you like to see from a further inquiry that have not already featured as part of the previous two inquiries?
I just feel that another talking shop that takes years and has the potential to delay action ("we want to wait for the recommendations of the lastest inquiry") is simply a further betrayal of the victims. |
i think the idea with enquiries is that the conclusions come at the end. holding an enquiry in order to reach pre-formed recommendations isn't really good practice. there is no reason not to enact the existing recommendations while an enquiry takes place. personally i'd like an enquiry to identify what went wrong and why, which institutions and individuals failed the vulnerable kids, and a very public and transparent recognition of the suffering of the victims and the communities that were abandoned. just like the blood scandal inquiry or the windrush inquiry.
there seem to be lots of people whose reasoning goes: farage and some racists have called for an enquiry, therefore we must oppose an enquiry, quick come up with some reasons to justify opposing an enquiry. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:16 - Jan 13 with 1098 views | Zapers |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:40 - Jan 10 by Zx1988 |
But you are happy that Ukraine be told to sacrifice their sovereign territory in return for peace, right? |
You are wildly speculating on what might happen.
Why not let it play out before jumping to conclusions.
The only way this will end is by a negotiated settlement, if you can’t see that both sides will have to make concessions, you are just making assertions based on your biased opinion of Trump. | | | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:16 - Jan 13 with 1100 views | DanTheMan |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:02 - Jan 13 by Kievthegreat |
Musk is not an engineer. |
Whenever I've heard him talk about software development he's sounded like an amateur.
He may have been decent decades ago but seems out of depth these days. |  |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:19 - Jan 13 with 1088 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:54 - Jan 13 by Europablue |
Musk is clearly a genius. Even though he says moronic stuff, it doesn't detract from the fact that he is clearly a brilliant engineer and businessman. |
He is not either of those things.
Engineering - has geniuses working for him at SpaceX
Business- would you do business with someone with those SEC charges, and had to be sued to stop him backing out of the Twitter acquisition. Tesla only started breaking even due to selling carbon credits - he’s basically put the company on government benefits. [Post edited 13 Jan 13:19]
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:19 - Jan 13 with 1080 views | Blueschev |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:54 - Jan 13 by Europablue |
Musk is clearly a genius. Even though he says moronic stuff, it doesn't detract from the fact that he is clearly a brilliant engineer and businessman. |
On what measure is he a genius? |  | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:20 - Jan 13 with 1067 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:19 - Jan 13 by Blueschev |
On what measure is he a genius? |
The way he’s got people buying into his bullsh!t is quite impressive tbf. | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:22 - Jan 13 with 1056 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:50 - Jan 13 by You_Bloo_Right |
What specific recommendations would you like to see from a further inquiry that have not already featured as part of the previous two inquiries?
I just feel that another talking shop that takes years and has the potential to delay action ("we want to wait for the recommendations of the lastest inquiry") is simply a further betrayal of the victims. |
Bit like setting up an enquiry into social services/care, not due to report back until 2028, when action is needed now. |  |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:28 - Jan 13 with 1009 views | DanTheMan |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:22 - Jan 13 by Pinewoodblue |
Bit like setting up an enquiry into social services/care, not due to report back until 2028, when action is needed now. |
There's a midpoint in the enquiry where short-term fixes are to be announced, and then the medium to long term fixes come at the end.
Not that I think it will come to much because all of the fixes are unpalatable to the general public. | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:35 - Jan 13 with 967 views | J2BLUE |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:02 - Jan 13 by Kievthegreat |
Musk is not an engineer. |
He basically said he was on Joe Rogan's podcast which will be enough for anyone who wants to big him up. |  |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:43 - Jan 13 with 914 views | eireblue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:51 - Jan 13 by Europablue |
Whether you agree with him or not, I do think Musk has a genuine concern about freedom of expression and England is the birthplace of freedom of speech, although it doesn't exist here anymore.
I don't think buying twitter was a business move, but why would the richest man in the world want more money? Wouldn't it be much more valuable to affect change in the way you see as more positive?
You can certainly say that Musk's net worth will be positively impacted by having the ear of the most powerful man on Earth. |
England isn’t the birthplace of free speech.
It does still exist, in the same form it has.
Apart from that….you should get Musk to address those questions and comments really.
He is available on Twitter. |  | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:05 - Jan 13 with 852 views | Europablue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:25 - Jan 10 by blueasfook |
yes but the Obama administration had already set in motion the commitment to withdrawing from Afghanistan. You think there would have been a different outcome if that had been achieved before Obama's term ended? |
Whoever was in charge, it was time to get out of Afghanistan. Frankly, there should have never been an attempt to restructure their society and America should have left long ago.
The withdrawal was poorly handled. It makes absolutely no sense how all that equipment was left behind and loss of life of any US personal was unacceptable considering that the US was just retreating and giving up. | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:08 - Jan 13 with 844 views | Europablue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:28 - Jan 10 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ now sells it gas and oil to them”
You do realise they are selling it at a loss right, and in much smaller volumes than they were to the West given a lack of infrastructure. The Russian interest rate is over 20% to prop up the Rouble, whilst they’ve burned through over half their liquid sovereign wealth. Apart from that it’s going swimmingly for Russia.
Edit - and yes the war does need to end, but it needs to be Ukraine that ends it, not the US. [Post edited 10 Jan 13:29]
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How exactly is Ukraine going to finish the war, and how would they be able to continue the war without massive support mostly from America? Is it even moral to continue a war that is only bringing more suffering and death? It's not an easy decision, but Ukraine is not entitled to American and European support against the wishes of their people. | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:11 - Jan 13 with 824 views | J2BLUE |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:08 - Jan 13 by Europablue |
How exactly is Ukraine going to finish the war, and how would they be able to continue the war without massive support mostly from America? Is it even moral to continue a war that is only bringing more suffering and death? It's not an easy decision, but Ukraine is not entitled to American and European support against the wishes of their people. |
Where's the evidence Europeans are against helping Ukraine?
It will cost the US more in the long run if Russia go into Poland or another member of NATO, unless of course Trump is just going to say oh well never mind. | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:20 - Jan 13 with 786 views | Europablue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:27 - Jan 10 by eireblue |
So you were only wrong on two things.
It was Trumps agreement.
And it didn’t have any expectation on what the Afghan Authorities would do, since they weren’t involved.
That’s the model for success for Trump, get out as quick as possible, and stop spending money.
An opinion, mine or anyone’s, on an alternative outcome, on something that didn’t happen, doesn’t really alter what Trump did for terrorists and females in Afghanistan, of whom he cares little, which can be used as an example of what his negotiations may be like for Ukraine. |
The only way America can have a say on what the Afghanis do is to remain in Afghanistan. America spent a lot blood and treasure on getting rid of the Taliban, but didn't achieve much, because the Taliban could play the long game. Whilst it is horrific how the Taliban treat the people of Afghanistan, it isn't much of a surprise that a wholesale structural change of Afghani governance structures did not have a lasting effect, and crumbled as soon as the US pulled support. | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:36 - Jan 13 with 739 views | Europablue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 12:50 - Jan 13 by You_Bloo_Right |
What specific recommendations would you like to see from a further inquiry that have not already featured as part of the previous two inquiries?
I just feel that another talking shop that takes years and has the potential to delay action ("we want to wait for the recommendations of the lastest inquiry") is simply a further betrayal of the victims. |
Is there some movement to implement the recommendations from the previous inquiries?
We might need an inquiry into inquiries in general because as far as I can see they are a huge cost just to try and deflate public anger and deflect attention away from the ruling party. Neither Labour nor the Conservatives have done what the public demand.
It's bad enough that those kind of evil people exist, but when the state enables them or turns a blind eye then that is just not acceptable. | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:42 - Jan 13 with 718 views | Europablue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:19 - Jan 13 by Blueschev |
On what measure is he a genius? |
He wouldn't be where he is now without being a very impressive person. Whether people like him or not or what he says. It is undeniable that he is a very clever person. It doesn't hurt your argument against him to admit his talents. He has many flaws, but a balanced critique of the person will acknowledge both sides. | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:50 - Jan 13 with 708 views | Europablue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:11 - Jan 13 by J2BLUE |
Where's the evidence Europeans are against helping Ukraine?
It will cost the US more in the long run if Russia go into Poland or another member of NATO, unless of course Trump is just going to say oh well never mind. |
Europeans are certainly not as enthusiastic in supporting Ukraine as they were and if it looks like an unwinnable war, do you really think that the majority will want to throw billions at the war and create more death and suffering for a delay in an inevitable result when there are plenty of good uses for the money at home?
You should be in charge if you think it is so simple. Think about what is a realistic outcome, not the outcome that you and/or would want ideally.
Russia has to have some up side otherwise we have to make them surrender unconditionally.
There is a huge difference between Russia attacking a NATO member. The fact that Ukraine was not a NATO member, but was moving towards becoming one, was the entire cause of Putin starting the attack on Ukraine. | | | |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:58 - Jan 13 with 680 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 14:50 - Jan 13 by Europablue |
Europeans are certainly not as enthusiastic in supporting Ukraine as they were and if it looks like an unwinnable war, do you really think that the majority will want to throw billions at the war and create more death and suffering for a delay in an inevitable result when there are plenty of good uses for the money at home?
You should be in charge if you think it is so simple. Think about what is a realistic outcome, not the outcome that you and/or would want ideally.
Russia has to have some up side otherwise we have to make them surrender unconditionally.
There is a huge difference between Russia attacking a NATO member. The fact that Ukraine was not a NATO member, but was moving towards becoming one, was the entire cause of Putin starting the attack on Ukraine. |
Putin invaded on the assumption that victory would be swift and relatively bloodless. He also didn’t anticipate any western response having got away with the annexation of Crimea. | |
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| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 17:32 - Jan 13 with 575 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Musk wanting to oust Starmer on 13:07 - Jan 13 by lowhouseblue |
i think the idea with enquiries is that the conclusions come at the end. holding an enquiry in order to reach pre-formed recommendations isn't really good practice. there is no reason not to enact the existing recommendations while an enquiry takes place. personally i'd like an enquiry to identify what went wrong and why, which institutions and individuals failed the vulnerable kids, and a very public and transparent recognition of the suffering of the victims and the communities that were abandoned. just like the blood scandal inquiry or the windrush inquiry.
there seem to be lots of people whose reasoning goes: farage and some racists have called for an enquiry, therefore we must oppose an enquiry, quick come up with some reasons to justify opposing an enquiry. |
I wouldn't want to see another inquiry because, as I have said, I think it would be a distraction and an "opportunity" to delay action. Why others oppose another inquiry I couldn't say. | |
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