| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? 07:12 - Jan 24 with 2693 views | Wallingford_Boy |
To play alongside Jens? A Declan Rice still player?
Then I’d think the squad would be in a very good place and have an excellent chance of staying up. |  |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 07:30 - Jan 24 with 2630 views | Kieran_Knows |
Yes, a striker and centre mid. Possibly someone in defence if all of Edmundson, Woolfenden and Clarke do leave. |  |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 08:24 - Jan 24 with 2493 views | Metal_Hacker |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 07:30 - Jan 24 by Kieran_Knows |
Yes, a striker and centre mid. Possibly someone in defence if all of Edmundson, Woolfenden and Clarke do leave. |
If it were a choice between another striker and THAT midfielder I’d prefer we went for the midfielder
We do and have for a while really lacked that edge in the middle
We need someone who can break the lines as Cajuste does at times on a regular basis |  |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 08:44 - Jan 24 with 2430 views | Bellevue_Blue |
I'm just not sure it's a realistic option to get someone better than what we have and someone who could immediately better what Morsy gives us.
It took Cajuste a good few months to get up to speed with the system and Phillips still hasn't shown he can thrive in it.
Then there is the question of who is available .. A championship player isn't going to move the dial, there are very few capable PL players who aren't already in a rotation, so that leaves an international player. They are even less likely to make a January move because they have no idea what division we might be in. They can just choose in the summer. [Post edited 24 Jan 8:45]
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 08:49 - Jan 24 with 2392 views | seblue78 |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 08:44 - Jan 24 by Bellevue_Blue |
I'm just not sure it's a realistic option to get someone better than what we have and someone who could immediately better what Morsy gives us.
It took Cajuste a good few months to get up to speed with the system and Phillips still hasn't shown he can thrive in it.
Then there is the question of who is available .. A championship player isn't going to move the dial, there are very few capable PL players who aren't already in a rotation, so that leaves an international player. They are even less likely to make a January move because they have no idea what division we might be in. They can just choose in the summer. [Post edited 24 Jan 8:45]
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Exactly this - it's really not that simple. I'm surprised that some people seem keen to move Morsy out when he's clearly fundamental to the way we operate in terms of making us tick, perhaps moreso than any other player. If anything it's been Cajuste who's been off the pace the last couple yet Sammy seems to be getting the stick. Before that they were working pretty well together. | | | |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 14:30 - Jan 24 with 2102 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 08:49 - Jan 24 by seblue78 |
Exactly this - it's really not that simple. I'm surprised that some people seem keen to move Morsy out when he's clearly fundamental to the way we operate in terms of making us tick, perhaps moreso than any other player. If anything it's been Cajuste who's been off the pace the last couple yet Sammy seems to be getting the stick. Before that they were working pretty well together. |
Not sure he’s getting any stick, just in terms of progressing the squad, he’s the obvious one to make way in the middle. | |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:00 - Jan 24 with 1853 views | BiGDonnie |
Think we should look to bring another RB in. |  |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:01 - Jan 24 with 1838 views | pointofblue |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:00 - Jan 24 by BiGDonnie |
Think we should look to bring another RB in. |
Or perhaps a winger who can play the ten role. | |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:04 - Jan 24 with 1823 views | _clive_baker_ |
In:
Enciso
Philogene
Godfrey
#9
CM
Out:
AAH
Harry Clarke
Edmundson
Luongo
That would be a decent window, although I'm not sure that CM addition will happen. |  | | |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:15 - Jan 24 with 1785 views | seblue78 |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 14:30 - Jan 24 by Wallingford_Boy |
Not sure he’s getting any stick, just in terms of progressing the squad, he’s the obvious one to make way in the middle. |
Not to me. This season anyway. It’s an awkward time to start changing things up too much in CM. I’d have him in above Phillips personally. He’s less mobile defensively but far more positive and important to us on the ball in terms of linking the play and offering an out ball to the defence etc. Cajuste offers something different to both, but is clearly not 100% fit and has been poor last couple. Unless you’re suggesting someone better than either Phillips or Morsy with proven prem experience which is probably unrealistic. | | | |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:20 - Jan 24 with 1766 views | _clive_baker_ |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:15 - Jan 24 by seblue78 |
Not to me. This season anyway. It’s an awkward time to start changing things up too much in CM. I’d have him in above Phillips personally. He’s less mobile defensively but far more positive and important to us on the ball in terms of linking the play and offering an out ball to the defence etc. Cajuste offers something different to both, but is clearly not 100% fit and has been poor last couple. Unless you’re suggesting someone better than either Phillips or Morsy with proven prem experience which is probably unrealistic. |
How much does Morsy do at this level really, if we're honest? Love the bloke and respect what he's achieved here enormously, but I think we really lack some dynamism and speed of thought in midfield. We're 2nd best in there every week. Too slow, ponderous, yet another stupid freekick conceded against Brighton that they scored the 2nd goal from. Agree with you its not an easy one to bring in but we're not strong enough there. | | | |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:22 - Jan 24 with 1742 views | pointofblue |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:20 - Jan 24 by _clive_baker_ |
How much does Morsy do at this level really, if we're honest? Love the bloke and respect what he's achieved here enormously, but I think we really lack some dynamism and speed of thought in midfield. We're 2nd best in there every week. Too slow, ponderous, yet another stupid freekick conceded against Brighton that they scored the 2nd goal from. Agree with you its not an easy one to bring in but we're not strong enough there. |
I have to agree with you. Considering how well some players have played yet been cast aside for supposed upgrades, I'm not sure if Morsy should be immune. Especially as our midfield has historically been easy to play through under McKenna in lower divisions. He probably had an eye on this but Phillips hasn't returned to his Leeds form as hoped. The question is who can we bring in? | |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:25 - Jan 24 with 1729 views | ITFCSG |
Should have gone for Jakub Moder from Brighton. Signed for Feyenoord today only £1.2 million, what a steal | | | |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:35 - Jan 24 with 1667 views | Horsham |
Tanner Tessman linked in the summer at Lyon who need the money? |  | | |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:36 - Jan 24 with 1659 views | _clive_baker_ |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:22 - Jan 24 by pointofblue |
I have to agree with you. Considering how well some players have played yet been cast aside for supposed upgrades, I'm not sure if Morsy should be immune. Especially as our midfield has historically been easy to play through under McKenna in lower divisions. He probably had an eye on this but Phillips hasn't returned to his Leeds form as hoped. The question is who can we bring in? |
I love Morsy and he was such a breath of fresh air in L1, his leadership and standards and everything he represents, I don't think his influence can be underestimated. He was such a step up behaviourally, physically, street wisey from the Jon Nolan and Andre Dozzell's we were used to.
Last season I feared it might to too big a jump but no, he was class and very few occasions he didn't win the midfield battle. Southampton and Leeds, tellingly, were a couple of occasions where we didn't, but they were among the better opponents. By and large he was absolutely superb throughout the season.
This year he's stepped up again admirably at times, but its not really working for me. We need a player in there who can 'break the line' from time to time. Aside from his ball to Davis for the goal against Leicester I can't really think of 1 truly telling or splitting pass I've seen from him this season. He rarely picks Delap out with anything meaningful for him to feed off. He seems to need 2 or 3 touches before playing the easy ball, slows us down a lot in the transition. Defensively concedes a lot of freekicks as well.
Dunno. Just a bit...'meh' in the middle for my liking. Maybe Phillips is the answer and just hope we can get a tune out of him. | | | |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:41 - Jan 24 with 1612 views | Metal_Hacker |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:36 - Jan 24 by _clive_baker_ |
I love Morsy and he was such a breath of fresh air in L1, his leadership and standards and everything he represents, I don't think his influence can be underestimated. He was such a step up behaviourally, physically, street wisey from the Jon Nolan and Andre Dozzell's we were used to.
Last season I feared it might to too big a jump but no, he was class and very few occasions he didn't win the midfield battle. Southampton and Leeds, tellingly, were a couple of occasions where we didn't, but they were among the better opponents. By and large he was absolutely superb throughout the season.
This year he's stepped up again admirably at times, but its not really working for me. We need a player in there who can 'break the line' from time to time. Aside from his ball to Davis for the goal against Leicester I can't really think of 1 truly telling or splitting pass I've seen from him this season. He rarely picks Delap out with anything meaningful for him to feed off. He seems to need 2 or 3 touches before playing the easy ball, slows us down a lot in the transition. Defensively concedes a lot of freekicks as well.
Dunno. Just a bit...'meh' in the middle for my liking. Maybe Phillips is the answer and just hope we can get a tune out of him. |
Seen this for a few games now CB and it feels quite Traitor-Like suggesting but I’m afeaid I’m in your camp on this one
The guy will be a true Town legend forever and what he’s done for this club over recent years can’t be underestimated BUT I like you , feel as if were missing something and have been for a good few games , in the middle
I mentioned the Newcastle midfield a few weeks ago and I know we’re talking about different levels of squad here but for me and IMHO , their midfield is what we should be aiming for. Their movement , speed and physicality is superb . We lost that game at home against their midfield
Hate to say it but I honestly believe we need some help in midfield for sure | |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:52 - Jan 24 with 1584 views | seblue78 |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:36 - Jan 24 by _clive_baker_ |
I love Morsy and he was such a breath of fresh air in L1, his leadership and standards and everything he represents, I don't think his influence can be underestimated. He was such a step up behaviourally, physically, street wisey from the Jon Nolan and Andre Dozzell's we were used to.
Last season I feared it might to too big a jump but no, he was class and very few occasions he didn't win the midfield battle. Southampton and Leeds, tellingly, were a couple of occasions where we didn't, but they were among the better opponents. By and large he was absolutely superb throughout the season.
This year he's stepped up again admirably at times, but its not really working for me. We need a player in there who can 'break the line' from time to time. Aside from his ball to Davis for the goal against Leicester I can't really think of 1 truly telling or splitting pass I've seen from him this season. He rarely picks Delap out with anything meaningful for him to feed off. He seems to need 2 or 3 touches before playing the easy ball, slows us down a lot in the transition. Defensively concedes a lot of freekicks as well.
Dunno. Just a bit...'meh' in the middle for my liking. Maybe Phillips is the answer and just hope we can get a tune out of him. |
But so far Phillips clearly isn't the answer and we're getting towards 2/3rds of the season. The difference between Phillips and Morsy was highlighted by Phillips against Brighton where despite being ok defensively, he seemed nervous of the ball in possession and looked to offload it straight away or go back to the keeper. He's clearly lacking confidence. Yes Morsy looks slower at this level as he's a year older and the CMs in the prem are a yard quicker, but I still think his importance to our current style of play is underestimated. He is braver in terms of offering an out ball from the defence and still has that ability to turn away and break a bit. Cajuste is the one who is there to break the lines, hence why our best MF displays have been with him and Sammy. My point is we are where we are. And it's SM over KP for me at the moment. I can't see us getting anyone in to improve on that that unless we send Phillips back. | | | |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:54 - Jan 24 with 1575 views | OldFart71 |
Over the years Town have been blessed with some wonderful midfielders. Viljoen, Talbot, Muhren and Thyssen, Holland and Magilton and of course Johnny Wark . In reality Morsy although a great servant to Town and a different type of player to the many described he's a long way short of any of those players. Sadly Phillips hasn't really provided a good enough challenge to oust Morsy. Taylor again hasn't done enough to be an automatic for the first eleven and Loungo like Morsy isn't getting any younger. So it really depends on where we are at the end of the season. If in the Championship Morsy may get another season. If still in the Premier League I don't see many of the current midfield being around. | | | |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 17:16 - Jan 24 with 1525 views | _clive_baker_ |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:52 - Jan 24 by seblue78 |
But so far Phillips clearly isn't the answer and we're getting towards 2/3rds of the season. The difference between Phillips and Morsy was highlighted by Phillips against Brighton where despite being ok defensively, he seemed nervous of the ball in possession and looked to offload it straight away or go back to the keeper. He's clearly lacking confidence. Yes Morsy looks slower at this level as he's a year older and the CMs in the prem are a yard quicker, but I still think his importance to our current style of play is underestimated. He is braver in terms of offering an out ball from the defence and still has that ability to turn away and break a bit. Cajuste is the one who is there to break the lines, hence why our best MF displays have been with him and Sammy. My point is we are where we are. And it's SM over KP for me at the moment. I can't see us getting anyone in to improve on that that unless we send Phillips back. |
Don't disagree about Phillips tbh, he hasn't really offered much. I though he looked decent at Brentford when he came in alongside Cajuste. A bit more dynamism, lovely threaded ball through that Hirst scored off etc, but agree on the whole he's not been blown me away.
I don't see it as being on Cajuste to be the one to show that fluidity in there, we need it from both, you can't get away with it at this level. Even the likes of Downes at Southampton, and I don't think he's great, he brings far more zip and energy. I'm not expecting Tonali, but that was a masterclass at #6 against us. He's quick, energetic, so good on the ball, 1 touch passes. The speed and tempo he set was completely unplayable for us. I'm not asking for Morsy to be Tonali, but I think we need to do better. | | | |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 17:20 - Jan 24 with 1492 views | Kieran_Knows |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:25 - Jan 24 by ITFCSG |
Should have gone for Jakub Moder from Brighton. Signed for Feyenoord today only £1.2 million, what a steal |
We tried last summer…. | |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 17:29 - Jan 24 with 1444 views | MK1 |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 08:24 - Jan 24 by Metal_Hacker |
If it were a choice between another striker and THAT midfielder I’d prefer we went for the midfielder
We do and have for a while really lacked that edge in the middle
We need someone who can break the lines as Cajuste does at times on a regular basis |
Play Phillips and Morsy with Cajuste 5 yards in front of them. That's what I would do anyway. |  |
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| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 17:49 - Jan 24 with 1366 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| So what’s left then, a more mobile central midfielder? on 16:35 - Jan 24 by Horsham |
Tanner Tessman linked in the summer at Lyon who need the money? |
Good idea
Also, how about Jobe with Clarke loaned the other way? (Not a chance that happens…) | | | |
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