| Spending wisely? 10:25 - Jan 27 with 5172 views | earlsgreenblue |
I am beginning to wonder if our immediate future is being threatened by a long term strategy & very basically without criticism are we spending on personnel for tomorrow rather than today?
With NB showing signs of some form (it can be short lived I understand) did we really need another left 10?
I don’t think I’m alone in that our midfield is just not quite good enough & survival might hinge on that, pace, technical skills, physicality, endurance & that all important eye for a pass seem to be missing & when watching other teams albeit on tv they seem to a degree to have it.
So, to my mind this is the area we are most weak in, now we are getting players back defence (needs improvement) but the players are already here for that, a Flynn D type in the middle would massively increase our chances & that’s my area of spending, another striker as well obviously! |  | | |  |
| I think this is a valid point.... on 10:28 - Jan 27 with 4209 views | Bloots |
....I made it a couple of weeks back, but obviously got pelters for it.
An awful lot of our signings seem to have more then a slight look towards making a profit in the future, rather than what we actually need for the betterment of the team.
It's a bit of a worry, for me at least. |  |
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| I think this is a valid point.... on 10:31 - Jan 27 with 4152 views | JakeITFC |
| I think this is a valid point.... on 10:28 - Jan 27 by Bloots |
....I made it a couple of weeks back, but obviously got pelters for it.
An awful lot of our signings seem to have more then a slight look towards making a profit in the future, rather than what we actually need for the betterment of the team.
It's a bit of a worry, for me at least. |
The two things are very much linked, but I get the impression that McKenna enjoys that development aspect of players too. I think it hasn't helped that our kind of 'sure thing' signings (Ben Johnson, Ogbene, Phillips, O'Shea and possibly Muric) haven't really been perfect either. |  | | |
| I think this is a valid point.... on 10:33 - Jan 27 with 4125 views | Reuser_is_God |
| I think this is a valid point.... on 10:28 - Jan 27 by Bloots |
....I made it a couple of weeks back, but obviously got pelters for it.
An awful lot of our signings seem to have more then a slight look towards making a profit in the future, rather than what we actually need for the betterment of the team.
It's a bit of a worry, for me at least. |
I think we’ve made a number of signings for the betterment of the team however they’ve just not had the desired impact.
Phillips
Cajuste - been good but still can’t play 90 minutes bizarrely
Muric
Johnson
Godfrey - early days but looked poor vs City
Jack Clarke - at £20m you expect more from him
Szmodics - performed well in patches but been injured & not nailed down a regular starting spot
O’Shea - pick of this bunch you’d say [Post edited 27 Jan 10:34]
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| Spending wisely? on 10:34 - Jan 27 with 4098 views | homer_123 |
Yes and no.
We have consistently recruited to improve the squad (which we have done by and large since KM and Gamechanger came in).
Clearly some transfers work and some don't but we look to improve each time.
In addition to that, we look to try and bring in players that will improve, increase in value and with a view to ensuring we gain a return on the investment.
Delap and Hutch are the obvious ones.
KM is keen to ensure that in addition to the above, we bring in the 'right' people who fit the ethos of the Club and team.
All of which is very much ensuring the long term viability of the team and Club.
Have we gone out and just bought players to keep us up, no - is that a problem. Maybe, potentially, yes.
Is the approach we are taking the right one, yes, for lots and lots of reasons.
It's not wrong to try and buy our spot in the Prem but I don't think it would have served us any better. |  |
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| Spending wisely? on 10:41 - Jan 27 with 3997 views | nodge_blue |
Ashton says that he feels the pressure of each window as we are only ever one bad transfer window away from going backwards, or words to that affect.
Well I think he had it in the Summer. There was a lot of initial praise for our business but the proof in the pudding has been too much paid for players who have made marginal improvements to the squad or none at all.
Only big plus I would say is Delap. Minor plus of O'Shea.
The rest, and sadly Id include Omari in that, have done ok but struggled to consistently have good games.
It is what it is. Im not toys out of the pram about it. Everyone does their best. If we go down then we go down. |  |
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| Spending wisely? on 10:51 - Jan 27 with 3877 views | rkc123 |
I feel like there is certainly an approach being taken that hopes to replicate what the likes of Brighton and Brentford have done, make smart transfers for players that will improve the squad, but also will increase in value, so that their sale can fund the next round of smart signings.
The issue I have is that we do not seem to have the scouting/data analysis in place to go outside of English football for these signings (as the clubs mentioned above do), meaning the margin for error is far narrower. I would have to say that right now the only player we signed this year that we could definitely sell for a profit is Delap, I don't think we could be confident we would get our money back on Hutch, Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, O'Shea. I am not writing these players off or anything, despite some not so great performances recently I think Hutch will go on to show he is more than worth what we paid for him, O'Shea has really come on, and it's way too early to judge with Philogene; I am just pointing out as we are only shopping in England, we are already paying quite inflated fees, so they really have to perform to ensure we would make the profit on them that I think the owners are hoping for when they move on. [Post edited 27 Jan 10:55]
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| Spending wisely? on 10:58 - Jan 27 with 3793 views | ArnieM |
Id say the players , ( all very young, with drive but little experience as you’d expect at 20/22yrs), are most definitely for the next 3-4 years and not so much the here and now. People should remember we are ahead of our project curve in terms of which division we were aiming to be in. This season is really a free hit. Stay up great, but keep re building as we had planned ( for the Championship), as I believe this was always the plan. It’s not guaranteed we will stay up this season. It will be a helluva result if we do, and we shouldn’t be disappointed if we “fail”….. but OMG what a squad we will have for next season if it’s the Championship, ( with no doubt one or two losses to the playing staff that will not define us).
Lots to look forward to IMHO. |  |
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| Spending wisely? on 11:03 - Jan 27 with 3704 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Spending wisely? on 10:51 - Jan 27 by rkc123 |
I feel like there is certainly an approach being taken that hopes to replicate what the likes of Brighton and Brentford have done, make smart transfers for players that will improve the squad, but also will increase in value, so that their sale can fund the next round of smart signings.
The issue I have is that we do not seem to have the scouting/data analysis in place to go outside of English football for these signings (as the clubs mentioned above do), meaning the margin for error is far narrower. I would have to say that right now the only player we signed this year that we could definitely sell for a profit is Delap, I don't think we could be confident we would get our money back on Hutch, Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, O'Shea. I am not writing these players off or anything, despite some not so great performances recently I think Hutch will go on to show he is more than worth what we paid for him, O'Shea has really come on, and it's way too early to judge with Philogene; I am just pointing out as we are only shopping in England, we are already paying quite inflated fees, so they really have to perform to ensure we would make the profit on them that I think the owners are hoping for when they move on. [Post edited 27 Jan 10:55]
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The issue we have, is that you have to buy at a price that can produce a profit.
From this season buys, we only have profit in Delap really. |  |
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| I think this is a valid point.... on 11:09 - Jan 27 with 3678 views | Bigalhunter |
| I think this is a valid point.... on 10:31 - Jan 27 by JakeITFC |
The two things are very much linked, but I get the impression that McKenna enjoys that development aspect of players too. I think it hasn't helped that our kind of 'sure thing' signings (Ben Johnson, Ogbene, Phillips, O'Shea and possibly Muric) haven't really been perfect either. |
I think we were dreadfully unlucky with Ogbene picking up that injury.
O’Shea has done pretty well really, whereas Phillips, Johnson and Muric haven’t provided any consistency of performance.
It’s been an eye opener for me that Woolfy and Broady have looked far better than I thought they would at this level.
My constant worry has been how little we create. To score from open play, Delap has had to pretty much create the chance for himself. Those goals against Fulham and Villa were exceptional, but he can’t be expected to keep on doing that and I think Smozdics has generally done pretty well with the scraps he’s had to feed off.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but a big savvy lump in midfield and a solid, reliable but unspectacular keeper (Bournemouth pulled a master stroke with Arizzabalaga) would probably have got us over the line in a few more of the marginal games such as Brentford, Leicester and both Fulham games. |  |
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| Spending wisely? on 11:09 - Jan 27 with 3672 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Spending wisely? on 10:41 - Jan 27 by nodge_blue |
Ashton says that he feels the pressure of each window as we are only ever one bad transfer window away from going backwards, or words to that affect.
Well I think he had it in the Summer. There was a lot of initial praise for our business but the proof in the pudding has been too much paid for players who have made marginal improvements to the squad or none at all.
Only big plus I would say is Delap. Minor plus of O'Shea.
The rest, and sadly Id include Omari in that, have done ok but struggled to consistently have good games.
It is what it is. Im not toys out of the pram about it. Everyone does their best. If we go down then we go down. |
I think the data dashboard needs updating!! | |
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| Spending wisely? on 11:18 - Jan 27 with 3585 views | homer_123 |
| Spending wisely? on 11:03 - Jan 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The issue we have, is that you have to buy at a price that can produce a profit.
From this season buys, we only have profit in Delap really. |
I'd argue there is profit in Hutch.
Ogb and Clarke not so much. | |
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| Spending wisely? on 11:20 - Jan 27 with 3555 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Spending wisely? on 11:18 - Jan 27 by homer_123 |
I'd argue there is profit in Hutch.
Ogb and Clarke not so much. |
Would anyone really pay us more than £20m for Hutch? | |
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| Spending wisely? on 11:24 - Jan 27 with 3513 views | homer_123 |
| Spending wisely? on 11:20 - Jan 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Would anyone really pay us more than £20m for Hutch? |
Honestly, yes.
Obviously, Delap is one that could easily double/ treble or more his value.
Hutch not so much BUT there is a player there, a quality one. He's only in his 'second' season of football - he's being marked out of games and, whilst he will end up CAM, he's still finding his feet there.
I believe he is worth more than £20m and will have suitors. | |
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| Spending wisely? on 11:27 - Jan 27 with 3495 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Spending wisely? on 11:24 - Jan 27 by homer_123 |
Honestly, yes.
Obviously, Delap is one that could easily double/ treble or more his value.
Hutch not so much BUT there is a player there, a quality one. He's only in his 'second' season of football - he's being marked out of games and, whilst he will end up CAM, he's still finding his feet there.
I believe he is worth more than £20m and will have suitors. |
I think Hutch is a good player, with potential. But I think £20m is about where hes at.
I dont think hes done anything this season to move his value on.
Its all subjective though, so who knows.
Fingers crossed re Delap. (Buy back etc etc....) | |
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| Spending wisely? on 11:33 - Jan 27 with 3413 views | NedPlimpton |
| Spending wisely? on 11:20 - Jan 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Would anyone really pay us more than £20m for Hutch? |
It's amazing how quickly things can change
A few weeks ago people were saying Omari would easily sell for £30m/£40m and now it's questionable whether we'd even be able to make a profit on him if we were to sell
I think he needs a rest, as he just seems way off it at the mo |  | | |
| Spending wisely? on 11:34 - Jan 27 with 3373 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Spending wisely? on 11:33 - Jan 27 by NedPlimpton |
It's amazing how quickly things can change
A few weeks ago people were saying Omari would easily sell for £30m/£40m and now it's questionable whether we'd even be able to make a profit on him if we were to sell
I think he needs a rest, as he just seems way off it at the mo |
People get a bit over excited sometimes, with blue tinted glasses.
I'm not saying hes not a good player, or that he doesnt have potential, I just dont think hes moved his price on.
Hope Im wrong though. | |
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| Spending wisely? on 11:49 - Jan 27 with 3272 views | NedPlimpton |
| Spending wisely? on 11:34 - Jan 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
People get a bit over excited sometimes, with blue tinted glasses.
I'm not saying hes not a good player, or that he doesnt have potential, I just dont think hes moved his price on.
Hope Im wrong though. |
I'd agree
Definitely has a hell of a lot of talent. His debut season for us in the championship was absolutely incredible considering that was his first real taste of the senior game
He has looked the part in a few games this season and I'm certain he'll come good again, but right now he's not showing what made him a £20m player | | | |
| I think this is a valid point.... on 13:09 - Jan 27 with 2959 views | weepingx2018 |
| I think this is a valid point.... on 10:33 - Jan 27 by Reuser_is_God |
I think we’ve made a number of signings for the betterment of the team however they’ve just not had the desired impact.
Phillips
Cajuste - been good but still can’t play 90 minutes bizarrely
Muric
Johnson
Godfrey - early days but looked poor vs City
Jack Clarke - at £20m you expect more from him
Szmodics - performed well in patches but been injured & not nailed down a regular starting spot
O’Shea - pick of this bunch you’d say [Post edited 27 Jan 10:34]
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I regret that we (I dont think) didn't go for Kelleher in the summer.
Quality keeper. | | | |
| Spending wisely? on 13:29 - Jan 27 with 2855 views | bsw72 |
It's a fine balance between this season and next - we've got 15 matches to tip the balance in favour of 17th place and above.
As fans we tend to heap praise more on the team when doing well and notice/criticise the errors when things are not as rosy.
I don't think we are significantly poorer than other clubs around us, else we would be further adrift of safety. |  | | |
| Spending wisely? on 13:42 - Jan 27 with 2719 views | itfc_bucks |
Is that the Flynn Downes who (a) hasn't done "it" at Southampton and (b) showed no overt interest in coming here when leaving West Ham? [Post edited 27 Jan 13:48]
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| Spending wisely? on 13:43 - Jan 27 with 2720 views | bobbyramsey |
| Spending wisely? on 11:20 - Jan 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Would anyone really pay us more than £20m for Hutch? |
No, I would say his value had dropped, very disappointing thus far....... [Post edited 27 Jan 13:43]
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| Spending wisely? on 13:46 - Jan 27 with 2685 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
Our centre midfield is too slow, and defensive and our attacking midfielders don't create nearly enough chances. |  |
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| Spending wisely? on 14:03 - Jan 27 with 2578 views | Vaughan8 |
I'm sure we would have liked some more experienced premier league players but with that comes not only the fee, but the massive wages. I read the average wages for a premier league footballer is about £67k a week.
Unfortunately a lot of the summer signings actually haven't been a massive improvement on what we already had which is a shame. | | | |
| Spending wisely? on 14:30 - Jan 27 with 2421 views | OldFart71 |
I think where the problem lays is that we are between the devil and the deep blue sea and because of that we have one eye on demotion and the other on survival. Not being Nostradamas, I like the majority of Town fans have absolutely no idea whether we will survive or not. One thing is for sure and that is we cannot keep losing. Everton have picked up a bit probably due to Moyes steadying the ship and they do have a keeper who doesn't make as many mistakes as the two we have. West Ham seem to have just about enough. Not sure on Palace, they could get dragged into the fight again. So that means currently a fight between us, Leicester and Wolves for the drop along with Saints who I would say are almost certainly down. | | | |
| Spending wisely? on 14:42 - Jan 27 with 2337 views | OldFart71 |
| Spending wisely? on 14:03 - Jan 27 by Vaughan8 |
I'm sure we would have liked some more experienced premier league players but with that comes not only the fee, but the massive wages. I read the average wages for a premier league footballer is about £67k a week.
Unfortunately a lot of the summer signings actually haven't been a massive improvement on what we already had which is a shame. |
Phillips is probably on more than that with us and City paying around 50% each. If as some have suggested he is on £130 k a week then he's definitely not worth it. If I was him I'd be shovelling as much in the bank as I can between now and when his City contract ends as there's no way another Premier League club would entertain him on that sort of money and certainly going down a division he'd lose £100k minimum. | | | |
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