| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? 09:00 - Jan 29 with 3152 views | NthQldITFC |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 11:58 - Jan 29 with 877 views | Dubtractor |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 11:39 - Jan 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Are any of the lefties calling it a terrible decision going use aviation this year?
I'm also assuming that Ed Miliband has handed in his resignation this morning on a point of principle. [Post edited 29 Jan 11:47]
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I've not been on a plane since 2018.
I am basically Dave Angel. |  |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 12:00 - Jan 29 with 870 views | DJR |
A couple of further observations.
1. Where are the construction workers to build all these projects (along with the 1.5 million new homes)? In this connection, I note the government are looking at options to finance the Lower Thames Crossing.
2. Will any of this have any effect on the Achillies' heel of the UK economy, namely, productivity? [Post edited 29 Jan 12:01]
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 12:02 - Jan 29 with 843 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 10:59 - Jan 29 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The sovereign debt markets aren’t going to be fooled by this any more than any posters on here. What are the tangible economic benefits of a few extra transiting flights (many passengers on which will never even leave the airport). This reeks of desperation and a government devoid of ideas. |
If only we'd been warned! |  |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 12:10 - Jan 29 with 806 views | hype313 |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 11:39 - Jan 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Are any of the lefties calling it a terrible decision going use aviation this year?
I'm also assuming that Ed Miliband has handed in his resignation this morning on a point of principle. [Post edited 29 Jan 11:47]
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No, because he's got others. |  |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 12:10 - Jan 29 with 806 views | nodge_blue |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 11:34 - Jan 29 by NthQldITFC |
Do the words 'Climate Emergency' mean anything at all to you? |
Trouble is, it's a new green scam according to the most powerful country in the world.
We wont be the straw that breaks the camels back when other countries are putting oil tankers onto the poor thing.
On a less flippant note, I guess you could argue that the important thing is we reach out emissions targets and that another Heathrow runway doesn't stop that objective.
Im torn with all this. Climate is arguably the biggest issue we face. But it's desperate when America now doesn't even acknowledge it. And we do need growth to fund our public services. We have a narrow path to tread and I may be unpopular for saying it but I broadly back what Reeves is doing today. |  |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 12:40 - Jan 29 with 751 views | Ryorry |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 11:39 - Jan 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Are any of the lefties calling it a terrible decision going use aviation this year?
I'm also assuming that Ed Miliband has handed in his resignation this morning on a point of principle. [Post edited 29 Jan 11:47]
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No. And haven’t been on a plane since 1994. |  |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 12:52 - Jan 29 with 721 views | DarkBrandon |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 09:05 - Jan 29 by mutters |
It's a horrendous decision imo.
If there is a real need for another major hub then let's try and spread it out across the country. We've plenty of really decent sized airports that could be expanded rather than shoe horn it into the London corridor |
That isn't how hubs work. You can't have diversified hubs. |  | | |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 12:59 - Jan 29 with 690 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 11:39 - Jan 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Are any of the lefties calling it a terrible decision going use aviation this year?
I'm also assuming that Ed Miliband has handed in his resignation this morning on a point of principle. [Post edited 29 Jan 11:47]
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It will likely be a few years before I fly again but when I do I'm definitely expecting my own new runway | |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 12:59 - Jan 29 with 692 views | DarkBrandon |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 09:22 - Jan 29 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s a pipe dream. Engine improvements and a low %age of sustainable jet fuel has limited the impact of increased passenger travel, true. But to mitigate the impacts of another runway seems to be pie in the sky.
It will probably have some limited impact on growth, so may tick that box and calm the City down (for a while at least).
Environmentally, it takes us in the wrong direction. |
Yes, environmentally it is a step in the wrong direction.
There is an argument (one that I'm sympathetic to) that we can largely eliminate fossil fuels everywhere except for air travel, where there just isn't a technological solution as we can't replicate the energy density of fossil fuels. So what we should do is leave air travel as the one bit of the economy using fossil fuels and shift everything else. Electric cars. Heat pumps. Lab produced meat/beef. Shift sea freight to be under nuclear power (although pirates!). Somehow figure out how to get low-carbon concrete at scale.
But we aren't doing almost all of the above, and when we do there is so much shouting and screaming. The fuss that idiots on Look East make about solar farms on land and pylons. | | | |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 13:01 - Jan 29 with 688 views | backwaywhen |
Labour = Disaster
Nothing changes you were warned …..vote for change lol. |  | | |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 13:04 - Jan 29 with 683 views | DarkBrandon |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 09:25 - Jan 29 by DJR |
A couple of observations on Reeves' announcements today, leaving aside the environmental issues.
1. The announcements appear to favour the south given the following paragraphs from the Guardian.
Reeves’ decision to revive the Oxford-Cambridge corridor marks a return to political favour for a scheme shelved three years ago by Boris Johnson in order to prioritise levelling up spending in the north of England.
However, the chancellor’s growth strategy has underlined concerns the government is placing too much emphasis on the south of England as it seeks to kickstart the flagging economy. All of the airports earmarked for expansion – Heathrow, Gatwick and Luton – are in the south.
2. It is not clear to me that the sort of the hi-tech growth envisaged by the Oxford-Cambridge corridor will trickle down. After all, American growth as a result of Silicon Valley hasn't really benefited the average American. |
I don't agree with your second point. Without the financial sector in London the country would be absolutely screwed. Without London the UK is poorer per-head than Portugal.
If we were able to create a second area with comparable output to London we'd make a big difference to the country. It wouldn't directly make the people of (say) Blackpool richer, but it would mean that we could finance support to poorer areas. Of course investment in those regions would be ideal, but I doubt that would happen.
Cambridge is a very large tech hub at the moment anyway. To grow that we need more housing and infrastructure here. I hope it happens. Gove was keen on the idea, but it never got going. | | | |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 13:07 - Jan 29 with 671 views | DarkBrandon |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 10:19 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
Seems to me Labour are scratching around trying to find ways of expanding the economy. What they don't seem to comprehend is if you tax industry more they put in less for expansion, new machinery, jobs etc and need to charge more for their products which in turn probably leads to fewer sales. What Labour really needs to do is make it worthwhile for businesses to expand by giving them tax breaks for buying new equipment and machinery and for taking on apprentices. Bringing in more to the exchequer by charging higher N.I. to industry may seem a great idea but the money is gobbled up by higher interest charges for UK borrowing which is running out of control and will lead to cuts in services rather than Labour's idea to improve them. The higher interest charges are brought about by the financial markets not liking the chancellors methods of achieving growth and it's the financial markets that run the country and not the Government as Lizz Truss found out very quickly. |
"What Labour really needs to do is make it worthwhile for businesses to expand by giving them tax breaks for buying new equipment and machinery and for taking on apprentices"
They do all this!
Full expensing ( https://www.gov.uk/capital-allowances/full-expensing) allows the cost of equipment and machinery to be claimed back and apprentices are heavily funded (by those companies who don't take on apprentices having to pay a levy).
I think full expensing was introduced by Sunak when he was chancellor as a temporary measure and I think Reeves made it permanent.
Edit: And the interest rates on government debt today fell to the level it was a year ago. [Post edited 29 Jan 13:08]
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 13:40 - Jan 29 with 637 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 11:39 - Jan 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Are any of the lefties calling it a terrible decision going use aviation this year?
I'm also assuming that Ed Miliband has handed in his resignation this morning on a point of principle. [Post edited 29 Jan 11:47]
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Still claiming to not be a Tory? |  |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 13:43 - Jan 29 with 631 views | Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, it’s not advanced |  |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 13:53 - Jan 29 with 614 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 11:39 - Jan 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Are any of the lefties calling it a terrible decision going use aviation this year?
I'm also assuming that Ed Miliband has handed in his resignation this morning on a point of principle. [Post edited 29 Jan 11:47]
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Nope. I haven’t ruled out flying ever again, but we consciously avoid flying wherever possible and certainly for holidays. And have had some really interesting holidays as a result using trains and ferries. | |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 16:25 - Jan 29 with 537 views | Radlett_blue |
Another u-turn from the manifesto.
I'm still waiting for Starmer to "smash the criminal gangs" who transport people across the Channel. |  |
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| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 16:47 - Jan 29 with 498 views | BlueForYou |
Have never understood why we havent in the past developed a big airport based say, south of Birmingham? Centre of the country, close to existing transport links which could easily be updated. Surely if we wanted to tap into business which would help level up the entire country this would be better than a third Heathrow runway? |  | | |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 17:04 - Jan 29 with 480 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sustainable aviation, Mrs Reeves? on 16:47 - Jan 29 by BlueForYou |
Have never understood why we havent in the past developed a big airport based say, south of Birmingham? Centre of the country, close to existing transport links which could easily be updated. Surely if we wanted to tap into business which would help level up the entire country this would be better than a third Heathrow runway? |
London is the financial & commercial centre of Britain, whether the rest of the country likes it or not. Heathrow is the airport of choice for global connections. Ever expanding flights is clearly bad for the environment, but if we're going to invest in an airport, London makes financial sense. | |
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