| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. 09:04 - Jan 30 with 19760 views | NthQldITFC |
Irresponsible, cowardly, Tory-lite failures.
Gutless apologists for the obscene, unequal, rabid capitalism-driven destruction of nature and of our children's futures.
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:40 - Jan 30 with 853 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:50 - Jan 30 by positivity |
so you voted tory or reform then? |
Lib Dem. I’m about as far from being a Reform as it’s possible to be. But as I said previously, this Lab gov could almost put me in a position where I’d vote for them if it kept this current Labour gov from getting back. But even in those circumstances I wouldn’t. I’d just not vote at all, or vote for a local
Indie. If someone like me feels like that, then you can be sure that this current Lab gov will hand millions over into Reform’s clutches. I could see Corbyn handing power to the Tories for a long, long time when he was selected as Labour leader. I can see the same happening here, except the consequences may well be far darker |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:41 - Jan 30 with 856 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:45 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
that wasn't my point. If we had PR, Reform would have 100 seats in parliament. [Post edited 30 Jan 15:45]
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If IK used PR none of these parties would exist in their current form | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:42 - Jan 30 with 856 views | reusersfreekicks |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:06 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Brown's "solution" as I recall was bailing out the banks who had invested recklessly with other people's money, to the tune of billions, taking on bankrupt Northern Rock and selling off our gold reserves. It's hilarious how people have selective memories in these things. |
Pretty sure Brown was widely praised for his global leadership post the crash
The banks sadly had to be bailed out to avoid a wider catastrophe
Your memory is the most selective as is your cherry picking of issues and facts |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:43 - Jan 30 with 855 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:33 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I don’t think it’s possible to extrapolate the results of any previous GE into how a PR coalition would have formed as by its nature PR has many more parties than FPTP. The Tories and Labour, for example, would splinter into at least two parties each - maybe more!
The last Tory gov was a mess. Left wing on spending and tax and ridiculous large state spending and inefficiency (maybe Covid forced their hand), neither left nor right on immigration, right wing on rhetoric, but not much else. They had no chance as a sensible governing party as they were wrecked by Brexit, and the ruins of the party then destroyed by Covid. Needs to be completely taken apart and an efficient and competent centre right party formed in its place. Public sector productivity is the very first issue than any government needs to address. Much as I dislike Mogg, he was right that people need to be in the office more in the civil service |
the vote share gives an indication of the direction of travel and it gave a majority for progressive left-of-centre parties.
they were probably the most right-wing government this country has had in modern times on spending, tax, immigration and rhetoric, paricularly under johnson and truss. they were far from centre-right.
the major issue for me is the billions wasted, on ppe, on failing private companies, failing water companies, expensive agencies because we failed to train/import enough doctors and nurses etc etc. the only winners were the ultra-rich at the expense of the masses | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:43 - Jan 30 with 853 views | GeoffSentence |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:35 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
What was her job at the BoE again? |
She was in the structural economic analysis division for at least some of her time there. |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:44 - Jan 30 with 845 views | DJR |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:06 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Brown's "solution" as I recall was bailing out the banks who had invested recklessly with other people's money, to the tune of billions, taking on bankrupt Northern Rock and selling off our gold reserves. It's hilarious how people have selective memories in these things. |
This is the summary from Wikpedia.
"The first phase of the global crisis began in early 2007, as mortgage-backed securities (MBS) tied to U.S. real estate, and a vast web of derivatives linked to those MBS, collapsed in value. A liquidity crisis spread to global institutions by mid-2007 and climaxed with the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers in September 2008, which triggered a stock market crash and international banking crisis."
As it was, I was seconded to HMRC at the time and working on the Tax Law Rewrite of the derivatives tax legislation, so was particularly interested in what was going on, and don't think people really know how close derivatives came to bringing the entire financial system down because the amounts involved were vast.
Here's more from Wikipedia.
"In an article in Portfolio magazine, Michael Lewis spoke with one trader who noted that "There weren't enough Americans with [bad] credit taking out [bad loans] to satisfy investors' appetite for the end product." Essentially, investment banks and hedge funds used financial innovation to enable large wagers to be made, far beyond the actual value of the underlying mortgage loans, using derivatives called credit default swaps, collateralized debt obligations and synthetic CDOs."
And if you ask what a synthetic CDO is, I am not sure you will want to know the answer.
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:46 - Jan 30 with 815 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:40 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Lib Dem. I’m about as far from being a Reform as it’s possible to be. But as I said previously, this Lab gov could almost put me in a position where I’d vote for them if it kept this current Labour gov from getting back. But even in those circumstances I wouldn’t. I’d just not vote at all, or vote for a local
Indie. If someone like me feels like that, then you can be sure that this current Lab gov will hand millions over into Reform’s clutches. I could see Corbyn handing power to the Tories for a long, long time when he was selected as Labour leader. I can see the same happening here, except the consequences may well be far darker |
that makes no sense, you voted lib dem because you wanted a centre-right government?
if starmer is a "far left ideologue", the lib dems are off the scale in terms of tax and spending! | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:46 - Jan 30 with 807 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:24 - Jan 30 by positivity |
i love a good pear too, not surprised you wanted to return for mine!
you're the only person who has private school tax breaks as their hot button issue, you seem to raise it at every juncture. can only think you work at eton as you are so very far away from public opinion on this...
it's a weird oddity and probably explains why you think starmer is a far-left ideologue; another position where you appear to be in a minority of one! [Post edited 30 Jan 16:31]
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They were not tax breaks. No country in Europe taxes education. It’s pretty sick. And it seems a very hot topic for many people I know. It’s certainly one that any future government, unless it’s Labour, will reverse. The sick way it was introduced, mid-year, chaotically, with little to no benefit to the public purse, that tells you all you need to know about the mean-minded and vindictive nature of this bunch in government. Honestly, it’s absolutely disgusting policy. And ineffective too. Much like the rest of the policies to date… | | | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:49 - Jan 30 with 793 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:43 - Jan 30 by GeoffSentence |
She was in the structural economic analysis division for at least some of her time there. |
"rachel from structural economic analysis" doesn't have the same sexist connotations though.
it's inevitable that the first female chancellor would get a lot of misogynistic heat, let's stick to criticising the policies rather than the gender. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:53 - Jan 30 with 748 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:42 - Jan 30 by reusersfreekicks |
Pretty sure Brown was widely praised for his global leadership post the crash
The banks sadly had to be bailed out to avoid a wider catastrophe
Your memory is the most selective as is your cherry picking of issues and facts |
I like Gordon Brown. He was a great chancellor. The optimism and can-do approach of the early Blair and Brown years are a far, far cry from this current dour and depressing bunch of left wing ideologues, who have suggestibility that their ideologies are rubbish, and are doing a very unconvincing, and far too late, u-turn in policy direction. They’re not fooling anybody. You hate them because you think they’re too right wing, centrists and centre right voters hate them because they think they are too left wing. They can’t (and won’t) win the next election. If Starnee had any principles then he would change the voting system to PR and give the country a chance to stop being such a basket case | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:53 - Jan 30 with 747 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:46 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
They were not tax breaks. No country in Europe taxes education. It’s pretty sick. And it seems a very hot topic for many people I know. It’s certainly one that any future government, unless it’s Labour, will reverse. The sick way it was introduced, mid-year, chaotically, with little to no benefit to the public purse, that tells you all you need to know about the mean-minded and vindictive nature of this bunch in government. Honestly, it’s absolutely disgusting policy. And ineffective too. Much like the rest of the policies to date… |
utter nonsense, the lib dems won't reverse this tax break for eton. only a very few are bothered, it's no-one's hot issue.
despite massive support in the right wing media, only 22% think it's a bad idea | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:56 - Jan 30 with 724 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:46 - Jan 30 by positivity |
that makes no sense, you voted lib dem because you wanted a centre-right government?
if starmer is a "far left ideologue", the lib dems are off the scale in terms of tax and spending! |
Lib Dem’s oppose tax on education. I wasn’t going to vote Tory (haven’t since 2016) obviously cannot beat Labour or a reform, so where else to go? Independent, I guess | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:57 - Jan 30 with 714 views | brazil1982 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 09:34 - Jan 30 by Basuco |
Almost like they are running the Country properly, not running it into the ground like the previous Government did. At least they are not giving large chunks of public money to friends, family and party donors. |
Party donors include trade unions where some have had good pay agreements very early in this government. |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:58 - Jan 30 with 714 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:49 - Jan 30 by positivity |
"rachel from structural economic analysis" doesn't have the same sexist connotations though.
it's inevitable that the first female chancellor would get a lot of misogynistic heat, let's stick to criticising the policies rather than the gender. |
She is hugely inexperienced in real world business to be a Chancelllor, and her subsequent career post BoE is pretty indicative of that. I think that’s blindingly obvious to everyone. | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:00 - Jan 30 with 701 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:53 - Jan 30 by positivity |
utter nonsense, the lib dems won't reverse this tax break for eton. only a very few are bothered, it's no-one's hot issue.
despite massive support in the right wing media, only 22% think it's a bad idea |
Ok, clearly you and I differ on this point. I get it, you’re jealous of those who use private schools for their children and support victimising those who do. What a lovely outlook on life… you old charmer! Why are you talking about Eton, anyway? Nearly anyone who shells out £50k la to send their son to Eton will not care less that the fees have just increased to £60k. These are not the children, parents or schools that are affected by these vindictive policies. I’m going to hazard a guess that you are probably young and have no children. I do not think a parent could possibly hold the views that you do if they had given proper thought to the situation. [Post edited 30 Jan 17:02]
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:01 - Jan 30 with 676 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:56 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Lib Dem’s oppose tax on education. I wasn’t going to vote Tory (haven’t since 2016) obviously cannot beat Labour or a reform, so where else to go? Independent, I guess |
The Liberal Democrats "think some private schools benefit from lower taxes due to charitable status even though they perform almost no charitable act on behalf of the community – so charitable status does need to be reviewed"
highly doubt they'd take the public kicking by bringing the tax break back | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:04 - Jan 30 with 655 views | NthQldITFC |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:00 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Ok, clearly you and I differ on this point. I get it, you’re jealous of those who use private schools for their children and support victimising those who do. What a lovely outlook on life… you old charmer! Why are you talking about Eton, anyway? Nearly anyone who shells out £50k la to send their son to Eton will not care less that the fees have just increased to £60k. These are not the children, parents or schools that are affected by these vindictive policies. I’m going to hazard a guess that you are probably young and have no children. I do not think a parent could possibly hold the views that you do if they had given proper thought to the situation. [Post edited 30 Jan 17:02]
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I think your mask just slipped. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:07 - Jan 30 with 639 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:00 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Ok, clearly you and I differ on this point. I get it, you’re jealous of those who use private schools for their children and support victimising those who do. What a lovely outlook on life… you old charmer! Why are you talking about Eton, anyway? Nearly anyone who shells out £50k la to send their son to Eton will not care less that the fees have just increased to £60k. These are not the children, parents or schools that are affected by these vindictive policies. I’m going to hazard a guess that you are probably young and have no children. I do not think a parent could possibly hold the views that you do if they had given proper thought to the situation. [Post edited 30 Jan 17:02]
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jealous of the likes of rees-mogg who can't operate without a nanny or kwazi kwarteng who made reeves look like an economic genius? no, don't fancy yours much!
i support the vast majority of children and raising standards for all.
i'm not into people getting a leg-up purely because they have rich mummies and daddies.
spread the wealth, invest it in the future! | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:07 - Jan 30 with 634 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:46 - Jan 30 by positivity |
that makes no sense, you voted lib dem because you wanted a centre-right government?
if starmer is a "far left ideologue", the lib dems are off the scale in terms of tax and spending! |
I’m beginning to think that you don’t have much capacity for nuanced thinking. You don’t have to support the policies of one party universally! | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:09 - Jan 30 with 618 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:04 - Jan 30 by NthQldITFC |
I think your mask just slipped. |
What? | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:10 - Jan 30 with 612 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:00 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Ok, clearly you and I differ on this point. I get it, you’re jealous of those who use private schools for their children and support victimising those who do. What a lovely outlook on life… you old charmer! Why are you talking about Eton, anyway? Nearly anyone who shells out £50k la to send their son to Eton will not care less that the fees have just increased to £60k. These are not the children, parents or schools that are affected by these vindictive policies. I’m going to hazard a guess that you are probably young and have no children. I do not think a parent could possibly hold the views that you do if they had given proper thought to the situation. [Post edited 30 Jan 17:02]
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as to your edit, i'm in my 50s and have 2 kids at university; none of the many, many parents i know would support tax breaks on private education | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:12 - Jan 30 with 582 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:07 - Jan 30 by positivity |
jealous of the likes of rees-mogg who can't operate without a nanny or kwazi kwarteng who made reeves look like an economic genius? no, don't fancy yours much!
i support the vast majority of children and raising standards for all.
i'm not into people getting a leg-up purely because they have rich mummies and daddies.
spread the wealth, invest it in the future! |
You seem very bitter! The only reason for this policy is vindictiveness. It will make no difference to the public purse whatsoever. It is the very definition of a vindictive policy of envy. Anyway, I’m getting out of this discussion, as I find these views extremely depressing. | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:13 - Jan 30 with 579 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:07 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I’m beginning to think that you don’t have much capacity for nuanced thinking. You don’t have to support the policies of one party universally! |
typical blobby insults, i won't blame you, many other privately educated old blokes have an undeserved superioty complex too! | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:15 - Jan 30 with 559 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:12 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
You seem very bitter! The only reason for this policy is vindictiveness. It will make no difference to the public purse whatsoever. It is the very definition of a vindictive policy of envy. Anyway, I’m getting out of this discussion, as I find these views extremely depressing. |
i'm not the bitter person whining about the end of tax breaks for the 1% on a thread about climate change!
it's about fairness and bringing in money for the country from those who can well afford it and have been subsidised by the government for far too long | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:16 - Jan 30 with 557 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:10 - Jan 30 by positivity |
as to your edit, i'm in my 50s and have 2 kids at university; none of the many, many parents i know would support tax breaks on private education |
They’re not tax breaks. And I find your views awful, depressing and vindictive. I’m going to put you on ignore. That someone could reach their 50s and espouse the views you do is shocking to me. Student politics. [Post edited 30 Jan 17:20]
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