| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. 09:04 - Jan 30 with 19245 views | NthQldITFC |
Irresponsible, cowardly, Tory-lite failures.
Gutless apologists for the obscene, unequal, rabid capitalism-driven destruction of nature and of our children's futures.
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:16 - Jan 30 with 849 views | NthQldITFC |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:09 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
What? |
You keep using the word 'jealous'. I think you crave people's jealousy where others care about society, justice and environment. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:16 - Jan 30 with 849 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:13 - Jan 30 by positivity |
typical blobby insults, i won't blame you, many other privately educated old blokes have an undeserved superioty complex too! |
I’m an awful lot younger than you… |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:17 - Jan 30 with 845 views | NedPlimpton |
You were prepared to give them a chance, but you've given up on them after less than 7 months? |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:19 - Jan 30 with 837 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:16 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I’m an awful lot younger than you… |
old in your thinking rather than your body, then.
come and join us in the 21st century! good education for all, not just those with a trust fund! | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:19 - Jan 30 with 839 views | NthQldITFC |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:17 - Jan 30 by NedPlimpton |
You were prepared to give them a chance, but you've given up on them after less than 7 months? |
Yes, on the basis of their direction of travel on the most important issue humanity has ever faced. I can't pretend I'm surprised, but. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:21 - Jan 30 with 817 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:16 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
They’re not tax breaks. And I find your views awful, depressing and vindictive. I’m going to put you on ignore. That someone could reach their 50s and espouse the views you do is shocking to me. Student politics. [Post edited 30 Jan 17:20]
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you seem very sheltered, get out and meet some real people who don't go to public school.
the vast majority of people reach their 50s without having to rely on tax breaks for their expensive education | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:22 - Jan 30 with 805 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:16 - Jan 30 by NthQldITFC |
You keep using the word 'jealous'. I think you crave people's jealousy where others care about society, justice and environment. |
Ok! It is my view that the only reason for this policy is vindictiveness, and a dog whistle to the lowest common denominator. It’s clear the tax take will be nothing, and perhaps even a negative. I’m not sure that “craving jealousy” is a thing, is it!? | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:24 - Jan 30 with 794 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:07 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
He's gone it seems. Once the discussions get beyond blind fanboyism he bails. |
A complete swerve. His new username should be Dolly_Swerveiage. |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:26 - Jan 30 with 764 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:22 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Ok! It is my view that the only reason for this policy is vindictiveness, and a dog whistle to the lowest common denominator. It’s clear the tax take will be nothing, and perhaps even a negative. I’m not sure that “craving jealousy” is a thing, is it!? |
the things that real people are bothered about are the economy, the health service, the environment, education, immigration, crime.
a vanishingly small minority is bothered about a few private schools losing their tax break. you're way out of touch with normal people | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:26 - Jan 30 with 764 views | Clapham_Junction |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:52 - Jan 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Conveniently ignoring the fact that had Brown's government been elected in 2010 they were going down the same austerity route as "Call Me Dave".
"Alistair Darling admitted tonight that Labour's planned cuts in public spending will be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s, as the country's leading experts on tax and spending warned that Britain faces "two parliaments of pain" to repair the black hole in the state's finances".
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-mar |
Lots of ifs around this, but one of the biggest questions is if Labour would have really done that if they had won in 2010, where those cuts would have fallen and who would have been affected by them. A different government could have made cuts quite differently.
Liam Byrne followed up Darling's comments by saying: "But we will do it in a way that protects our priorities and we will do one thing first which is we will not cut public spending too soon, before our economy is back on its feet, growing again." [Post edited 30 Jan 17:38]
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:26 - Jan 30 with 761 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:21 - Jan 30 by positivity |
you seem very sheltered, get out and meet some real people who don't go to public school.
the vast majority of people reach their 50s without having to rely on tax breaks for their expensive education |
I run a building company and spend most days on building sites. I wouldn’t say I’m that sheltered. I don’t hear too many positive comments from the tradesmen I spend my day with with regards to this current “Labour” government…. They are popular with public sector workers, train drivers and… I can’t think of anyone else tbh! | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:28 - Jan 30 with 738 views | NthQldITFC |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:22 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Ok! It is my view that the only reason for this policy is vindictiveness, and a dog whistle to the lowest common denominator. It’s clear the tax take will be nothing, and perhaps even a negative. I’m not sure that “craving jealousy” is a thing, is it!? |
Your view may be impaired, and that thing may not be visible to you. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:34 - Jan 30 with 693 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:28 - Jan 30 by NthQldITFC |
Your view may be impaired, and that thing may not be visible to you. |
Ok | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:34 - Jan 30 with 692 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:26 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I run a building company and spend most days on building sites. I wouldn’t say I’m that sheltered. I don’t hear too many positive comments from the tradesmen I spend my day with with regards to this current “Labour” government…. They are popular with public sector workers, train drivers and… I can’t think of anyone else tbh! |
and the main thing they say is "i really wish they'd bring in more tax breaks for rich public schools"? you're in a very sheltered building site if that's the case!! | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:35 - Jan 30 with 687 views | DJR |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:26 - Jan 30 by Clapham_Junction |
Lots of ifs around this, but one of the biggest questions is if Labour would have really done that if they had won in 2010, where those cuts would have fallen and who would have been affected by them. A different government could have made cuts quite differently.
Liam Byrne followed up Darling's comments by saying: "But we will do it in a way that protects our priorities and we will do one thing first which is we will not cut public spending too soon, before our economy is back on its feet, growing again." [Post edited 30 Jan 17:38]
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Labour also didn't regard the financial crisis as an opportunity to to shrink the state.
This from Wikipedia.
The first period was one of the most extensive deficit reduction programmes seen in any advanced economy since the Second World War, with emphasis placed on shrinking the state, rather than consolidating fiscally as was more common elsewhere in Europe. |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:35 - Jan 30 with 684 views | NthQldITFC |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:26 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I run a building company and spend most days on building sites. I wouldn’t say I’m that sheltered. I don’t hear too many positive comments from the tradesmen I spend my day with with regards to this current “Labour” government…. They are popular with public sector workers, train drivers and… I can’t think of anyone else tbh! |
Surely there are other far left ideologues like teachers, hippies and Russian oligarchs? | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:38 - Jan 30 with 663 views | lowhouseblue |
i think it's traditional to congratulate you on your up arrow from daveU. you've hit the sweet spot. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:39 - Jan 30 with 639 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:38 - Jan 30 by lowhouseblue |
i think it's traditional to congratulate you on your up arrow from daveU. you've hit the sweet spot. |
daveu: eco warrior | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:39 - Jan 30 with 634 views | Clapham_Junction |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 11:50 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Not a fan then!? Me neither… but rather because they are far left ideologues dragging the whole country down with them… And at the moment they are far left ideologues who realise their ideas are terrible. Taxing education and and increasing employers’ tax burden was never going to be sound policy. The issue the country has is that they are dour and joyless left wing pessimists with no principles, and no idea. Sooner we get a sensible centre right government in place, the better. The fear now, of course, is that this lot have soured the country’s mood so much that we are heading for a far right win at next election. Voting Labour is rarely a good idea [Post edited 30 Jan 11:56]
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Posts like this are just trolling. There is no rational way in which the current Labour leadership could be described far-left (and where does that leave people like John McDonnell or Clive Lewis?). The only alternative to this being trolling is that you are utterly clueless about politics. [Post edited 30 Jan 17:40]
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:40 - Jan 30 with 623 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:34 - Jan 30 by positivity |
and the main thing they say is "i really wish they'd bring in more tax breaks for rich public schools"? you're in a very sheltered building site if that's the case!! |
Yes, all my building sites must be sheltered places…. London trades are renowned for it. I do hear a lot of chat flavour how shocking the gov is, however. Mainly because companies are going bust and work and demand is decreasing. | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:42 - Jan 30 with 591 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:59 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Corruption you say? Hmmm... let's see. There was the anti-corruption minister who had to resign because she was involved in err.... *checks notes* corruption! Before that there was the freebies scandal with the PM himself receiving over £100k worth of gifts - but at least he got to see Taylor Swift. Not just the PM, many of the cabinet were enjoying free accommodation, football match tickets, clothing. So much so, I am surprised they aren't turning up adorned like race car drivers to parliament with suits covered in various company logos. Then there was the labour MP who punched out a guy in the street and has now been found guilty of assault.
That's not bad for a "few months" is it. Should be an impressive list by the next GE! |
I said "there isn't the corruption we saw under the last government". The Labour "corruption" is barely even that, it's very minor stuff that goes on in many walks of business life which has been stoked by by the Tory press. It's not a patch on the billons of tax payer pounds that were farmed out to the Tories friends in the PPE scandal. And that's just to name one!
A guy punching another guy in the street is regrettable, but it's not corruption. |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:43 - Jan 30 with 584 views | NthQldITFC |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:38 - Jan 30 by lowhouseblue |
i think it's traditional to congratulate you on your up arrow from daveU. you've hit the sweet spot. |
I spotted that, but was too shy to draw anyone's attention to it. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:43 - Jan 30 with 577 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:40 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Yes, all my building sites must be sheltered places…. London trades are renowned for it. I do hear a lot of chat flavour how shocking the gov is, however. Mainly because companies are going bust and work and demand is decreasing. |
so, not a single word decrying the end of tax breaks for private schools? thought not! | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:44 - Jan 30 with 548 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:02 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Are you just going to downvote anything that upsets you? Grow up. |
No I'm going to downvote things I disagree with (and uparrow what I agree with), which is what the arrows are for.
If getting downarrows upsets you so much, maybe post less disagreeable things. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:44 - Jan 30 with 543 views | NthQldITFC |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 17:39 - Jan 30 by Clapham_Junction |
Posts like this are just trolling. There is no rational way in which the current Labour leadership could be described far-left (and where does that leave people like John McDonnell or Clive Lewis?). The only alternative to this being trolling is that you are utterly clueless about politics. [Post edited 30 Jan 17:40]
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There's still some debate about this on the basis of other posts. | |
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