| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. 09:04 - Jan 30 with 19240 views | NthQldITFC |
Irresponsible, cowardly, Tory-lite failures.
Gutless apologists for the obscene, unequal, rabid capitalism-driven destruction of nature and of our children's futures.
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:59 - Jan 30 with 1044 views | blueasfook |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:42 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Given it's been a few months, as opposed to 14 years, no, no evidence we've been conned. There certainly isn't the corruption we saw under the last government. There isn't "kicking the can down the road" like with the overcrowded prisons, or the various strikes over pay and conditions. There's no hiding of how bad the economy really is, with a covered up black hole, but efforts (however unpopular some might be) to redress. So plenty of change already.
You're not really interested though, you're just desperate for Labour to fail.
You were asking why "the gangs aren't smashed yet" a few weeks into the new government. You're putting up ridiculous standards for Labour to achieve which are a way higher bar than you ever gave the Tories. |
Corruption you say? Hmmm... let's see. There was the anti-corruption minister who had to resign because she was involved in err.... *checks notes* corruption! Before that there was the freebies scandal with the PM himself receiving over £100k worth of gifts - but at least he got to see Taylor Swift. Not just the PM, many of the cabinet were enjoying free accommodation, football match tickets, clothing. So much so, I am surprised they aren't turning up adorned like race car drivers to parliament with suits covered in various company logos. Then there was the labour MP who punched out a guy in the street and has now been found guilty of assault.
That's not bad for a "few months" is it. Should be an impressive list by the next GE! |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:01 - Jan 30 with 1018 views | Lord_Lucan |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:17 - Jan 30 by itfcjoe |
'Our childrens future' - living with their parents until they are 40 because this country won't build them houses [Post edited 30 Jan 12:17]
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We haven't got enough builders to build them anyway have we?
You're Johnny on the spot with this Joe - what's your take? |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:02 - Jan 30 with 1027 views | blueasfook |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:44 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Do you want a political debate or do you just want to throw around insults? |
Are you just going to downvote anything that upsets you? Grow up. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:05 - Jan 30 with 1005 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:01 - Jan 30 by Lord_Lucan |
We haven't got enough builders to build them anyway have we?
You're Johnny on the spot with this Joe - what's your take? |
Our build costs went through the roof post Brexit…. Not a good move. Replacing highly skilled and integrated immigration with less skilled immigration. Talk about an own goal! Put me off the Tories for 8 years, until I realised how much worse Labour are!!! No doubt next we’ll be hearing from delightful folk who think taxing education is a good and fair policy [Post edited 30 Jan 15:07]
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:06 - Jan 30 with 1007 views | blueasfook |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:46 - Jan 30 by BlueBadger |
Fair play to Brown, he was genuinely making inroads in the face of a global financial crisis. Then Call Me Dave decided to take a dump on it by blaming poor people for it. |
Brown's "solution" as I recall was bailing out the banks who had invested recklessly with other people's money, to the tune of billions, taking on bankrupt Northern Rock and selling off our gold reserves. It's hilarious how people have selective memories in these things. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:08 - Jan 30 with 987 views | peterleeblue |
Don't worry you will have Farage next. You'll be really happy then. |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:09 - Jan 30 with 989 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:42 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Given it's been a few months, as opposed to 14 years, no, no evidence we've been conned. There certainly isn't the corruption we saw under the last government. There isn't "kicking the can down the road" like with the overcrowded prisons, or the various strikes over pay and conditions. There's no hiding of how bad the economy really is, with a covered up black hole, but efforts (however unpopular some might be) to redress. So plenty of change already.
You're not really interested though, you're just desperate for Labour to fail.
You were asking why "the gangs aren't smashed yet" a few weeks into the new government. You're putting up ridiculous standards for Labour to achieve which are a way higher bar than you ever gave the Tories. |
You may have missed that just a couple of weeks ago Keir Starmer's anti corruption minister quit after being named in embezzlement investigation. That follows on from the Lord Ali donations for access.
Like you say, they've only been in a few months.
edit. Just seen Blueas post. [Post edited 30 Jan 15:39]
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:20 - Jan 30 with 954 views | giant_stow |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:06 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Brown's "solution" as I recall was bailing out the banks who had invested recklessly with other people's money, to the tune of billions, taking on bankrupt Northern Rock and selling off our gold reserves. It's hilarious how people have selective memories in these things. |
Talking of selective memories, why did he bail out the banks? |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:23 - Jan 30 with 937 views | blueasfook |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:20 - Jan 30 by giant_stow |
Talking of selective memories, why did he bail out the banks? |
Why did he? You tell me. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:28 - Jan 30 with 916 views | giant_stow |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:23 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Why did he? You tell me. |
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/09/alistair-darling-rbs-said-they-
"“I said to him: ‘How long can you last?’ And what he said to me shook me to the core. He said: ‘Well we’re going to run out of money in the early afternoon.’
Lord Darling said there would have been “blind panic” had the government not intervened. RBS was bailed out by taxpayers later that year, and the government still owns a 71% stake in the bank.
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:29 - Jan 30 with 908 views | itfcjoe |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:01 - Jan 30 by Lord_Lucan |
We haven't got enough builders to build them anyway have we?
You're Johnny on the spot with this Joe - what's your take? |
There's no way we can build the required 1.5m houses and infrastructure without freedom of movement from the EU - it's an impossibility |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:30 - Jan 30 with 888 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:34 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Conveniently ignoring the number of votes Reform amassed there! In a PR parliament they'd also have considerable clout. |
they wouldn't have enough to get into government, labour+lib dem+green would give a majority | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:33 - Jan 30 with 864 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:05 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Our build costs went through the roof post Brexit…. Not a good move. Replacing highly skilled and integrated immigration with less skilled immigration. Talk about an own goal! Put me off the Tories for 8 years, until I realised how much worse Labour are!!! No doubt next we’ll be hearing from delightful folk who think taxing education is a good and fair policy [Post edited 30 Jan 15:07]
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removing the tax dodge on private schools is undoubtedly a good idea, only a tiny majority think they should get tax breaks.
why are you so obssessed with this idea? | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:45 - Jan 30 with 831 views | blueasfook |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:30 - Jan 30 by positivity |
they wouldn't have enough to get into government, labour+lib dem+green would give a majority |
that wasn't my point. If we had PR, Reform would have 100 seats in parliament. [Post edited 30 Jan 15:45]
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:52 - Jan 30 with 803 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:46 - Jan 30 by BlueBadger |
Fair play to Brown, he was genuinely making inroads in the face of a global financial crisis. Then Call Me Dave decided to take a dump on it by blaming poor people for it. |
Conveniently ignoring the fact that had Brown's government been elected in 2010 they were going down the same austerity route as "Call Me Dave".
"Alistair Darling admitted tonight that Labour's planned cuts in public spending will be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s, as the country's leading experts on tax and spending warned that Britain faces "two parliaments of pain" to repair the black hole in the state's finances".
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-mar | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:54 - Jan 30 with 786 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:45 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
that wasn't my point. If we had PR, Reform would have 100 seats in parliament. [Post edited 30 Jan 15:45]
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ok, that's true; however the original point by blobby that i was correcting was that pr would give a (more) centre-right government. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:56 - Jan 30 with 778 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:06 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Brown's "solution" as I recall was bailing out the banks who had invested recklessly with other people's money, to the tune of billions, taking on bankrupt Northern Rock and selling off our gold reserves. It's hilarious how people have selective memories in these things. |
I think he managed a really difficult situation really well | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:58 - Jan 30 with 776 views | mutters |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:42 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Given it's been a few months, as opposed to 14 years, no, no evidence we've been conned. There certainly isn't the corruption we saw under the last government. There isn't "kicking the can down the road" like with the overcrowded prisons, or the various strikes over pay and conditions. There's no hiding of how bad the economy really is, with a covered up black hole, but efforts (however unpopular some might be) to redress. So plenty of change already.
You're not really interested though, you're just desperate for Labour to fail.
You were asking why "the gangs aren't smashed yet" a few weeks into the new government. You're putting up ridiculous standards for Labour to achieve which are a way higher bar than you ever gave the Tories. |
My concern with the current lot is their direction of travel, while I never expected them to fix everything straight away it's the path they seem to be taking the country that does worry me.
We had all had enough of the Tories, that is clear. What labour seemed to promise was a new start, fresh ideas, something to reinvigorate the country. When Blair came in there was real optimism, a real desire for a new start. With Starmer, it feels a million miles away from that.
I expected, even hoped for more. Underwhelmed by what they have done so far. There is still time for them to turn it around, but the initial signs feel like they don't have a plan sadly. |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:58 - Jan 30 with 786 views | blueasfook |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:54 - Jan 30 by positivity |
ok, that's true; however the original point by blobby that i was correcting was that pr would give a (more) centre-right government. |
That's subjective based on where on the political spectrum you see the greens and lib dems. Though it's true they probably are more to the left than Starmers Labour Party. But there would also be considerable right wing opposition in the form of the tory party and reform to put the brakes on their more loony ideas. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:01 - Jan 30 with 758 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:58 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
That's subjective based on where on the political spectrum you see the greens and lib dems. Though it's true they probably are more to the left than Starmers Labour Party. But there would also be considerable right wing opposition in the form of the tory party and reform to put the brakes on their more loony ideas. |
i don't think anyone would put lib-dems and the greens as centre-right. especially not blobby who thinks starmer is a "far left ideologue"! | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:07 - Jan 30 with 726 views | blueasfook |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 15:09 - Jan 30 by GlasgowBlue |
You may have missed that just a couple of weeks ago Keir Starmer's anti corruption minister quit after being named in embezzlement investigation. That follows on from the Lord Ali donations for access.
Like you say, they've only been in a few months.
edit. Just seen Blueas post. [Post edited 30 Jan 15:39]
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He's gone it seems. Once the discussions get beyond blind fanboyism he bails. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:20 - Jan 30 with 681 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:00 - Jan 30 by positivity |
here we go again. the problem with labour is they are "far left ideologues" because they have the temerity to not give tax breaks to private schools!
blobby never fails to amuse! |
I had you on ignore (and was somewhat happier for it). I saw you were posting and wondered what pears you’d be offering up. I posted somewhere else that it wouldn’t be long until someone pipes up with how taxing education was a good policy. It’s unbelievable. I never encounter these views in my day to day live, but in here they seem almost mainstream! | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:24 - Jan 30 with 670 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:20 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I had you on ignore (and was somewhat happier for it). I saw you were posting and wondered what pears you’d be offering up. I posted somewhere else that it wouldn’t be long until someone pipes up with how taxing education was a good policy. It’s unbelievable. I never encounter these views in my day to day live, but in here they seem almost mainstream! |
i love a good pear too, not surprised you wanted to return for mine!
you're the only person who has private school tax breaks as their hot button issue, you seem to raise it at every juncture. can only think you work at eton as you are so very far away from public opinion on this...
it's a weird oddity and probably explains why you think starmer is a far-left ideologue; another position where you appear to be in a minority of one! [Post edited 30 Jan 16:31]
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:33 - Jan 30 with 627 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:22 - Jan 30 by positivity |
define centre-right in your view. right or left of the last tory government?
i agree about pr, would have seen the greens, lib dems etc ihaving a say in a labour-led governement and pushing it further to the left |
I don’t think it’s possible to extrapolate the results of any previous GE into how a PR coalition would have formed as by its nature PR has many more parties than FPTP. The Tories and Labour, for example, would splinter into at least two parties each - maybe more!
The last Tory gov was a mess. Left wing on spending and tax and ridiculous large state spending and inefficiency (maybe Covid forced their hand), neither left nor right on immigration, right wing on rhetoric, but not much else. They had no chance as a sensible governing party as they were wrecked by Brexit, and the ruins of the party then destroyed by Covid. Needs to be completely taken apart and an efficient and competent centre right party formed in its place. Public sector productivity is the very first issue than any government needs to address. Much as I dislike Mogg, he was right that people need to be in the office more in the civil service | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 16:35 - Jan 30 with 610 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:50 - Jan 30 by giant_stow |
That one's a disgrace - utterly sexist. |
What was her job at the BoE again? | | | |
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