| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. 09:04 - Jan 30 with 19254 views | NthQldITFC |
Irresponsible, cowardly, Tory-lite failures.
Gutless apologists for the obscene, unequal, rabid capitalism-driven destruction of nature and of our children's futures.
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:20 - Jan 30 with 1402 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:04 - Jan 30 by DJR |
I did post that the centre-right think tanks were happy with what Reeves announced yesterday, even the Institute for Economic Affairs, hardly far left ideologues. |
That’s the point I was making (badly not seems). Their inclination is far left policies, now they are attempting to implement growth with policies that are against their real beliefs. Not only are they far left, they are now far left charlatans… terrible choice of government imho. Need to introduce some incentives for first time buyers to get the housing market moving again and get companies building. It’s impossible for FTBs to buy at the moment. Think that point has been made many times by the IEA. |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:21 - Jan 30 with 1396 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:13 - Jan 30 by NthQldITFC |
I remain hopeful that you might one day, on some level, be capable of registering in your so-called brain, the information provided by this chart, which illustrates the horrific underlying problem that selfish, predatory capitalism driven by irresponsible consumerism is totally ignoring.
'Far left' are you serious? |
Not really sure why you feel the need to be so rude, but nobody here is arguing that climate change isn’t an issue, are they? I’m certainly not, old chap!! | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:21 - Jan 30 with 1373 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:20 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
That’s the point I was making (badly not seems). Their inclination is far left policies, now they are attempting to implement growth with policies that are against their real beliefs. Not only are they far left, they are now far left charlatans… terrible choice of government imho. Need to introduce some incentives for first time buyers to get the housing market moving again and get companies building. It’s impossible for FTBs to buy at the moment. Think that point has been made many times by the IEA. |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:37 - Jan 30 with 1333 views | nodge_blue |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:13 - Jan 30 by NthQldITFC |
I remain hopeful that you might one day, on some level, be capable of registering in your so-called brain, the information provided by this chart, which illustrates the horrific underlying problem that selfish, predatory capitalism driven by irresponsible consumerism is totally ignoring.
'Far left' are you serious? |
A world population increase of 4 billion to 8 in the last 50 years would have seen an increase in global warming whatever the individual governments philosophy.
Didn't Ed Miliband say yesterday that the things like the Heathrow expansion will only happen within our committed carbon reduction targets?
I understand your anguish but you are directing it at two of the better actors on the world stage when theres far more people and countries acting in bad faith or just open defiance to climate change.
Maybe the events of the last few months have tipped a few of us over the edge and it all feels a bit hopeless. I do understand that. But if you think Labour isn't the answer at the moment in the UK then who is? The door will open to reform and that is a whole new ball game. |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:49 - Jan 30 with 1286 views | Ftnfwest |
phew, thank goodness you didn't say 'rachel from accounts' |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:49 - Jan 30 with 1286 views | giant_stow |
I get your pain and anger mr, I really do. Trouble is, the voting public won't yet for something more radical. And not just here either - even more so in other, bigger and more polluting countries too.
One thing though: I'd caution against joining the growing throng of 'this govt is sh1t'. It's had very little time to sort out a sh1t-ton of problems. There's a clear move in the right of this country to set the tone of debate on this and they're doing it very well - always remember the actual alternative, not the mythical left wing one that no one will (yet) vote for. |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:49 - Jan 30 with 1282 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:37 - Jan 30 by nodge_blue |
A world population increase of 4 billion to 8 in the last 50 years would have seen an increase in global warming whatever the individual governments philosophy.
Didn't Ed Miliband say yesterday that the things like the Heathrow expansion will only happen within our committed carbon reduction targets?
I understand your anguish but you are directing it at two of the better actors on the world stage when theres far more people and countries acting in bad faith or just open defiance to climate change.
Maybe the events of the last few months have tipped a few of us over the edge and it all feels a bit hopeless. I do understand that. But if you think Labour isn't the answer at the moment in the UK then who is? The door will open to reform and that is a whole new ball game. |
Centre right is the answer. Preferably in a proportionally representative parliament to allow continuity of policy direction [Post edited 30 Jan 13:02]
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:50 - Jan 30 with 1275 views | giant_stow |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:49 - Jan 30 by Ftnfwest |
phew, thank goodness you didn't say 'rachel from accounts' |
That one's a disgrace - utterly sexist. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:55 - Jan 30 with 1245 views | DJR |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:50 - Jan 30 by giant_stow |
That one's a disgrace - utterly sexist. |
Misogyny also springs to mind. |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:09 - Jan 30 with 1175 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:49 - Jan 30 by giant_stow |
I get your pain and anger mr, I really do. Trouble is, the voting public won't yet for something more radical. And not just here either - even more so in other, bigger and more polluting countries too.
One thing though: I'd caution against joining the growing throng of 'this govt is sh1t'. It's had very little time to sort out a sh1t-ton of problems. There's a clear move in the right of this country to set the tone of debate on this and they're doing it very well - always remember the actual alternative, not the mythical left wing one that no one will (yet) vote for. |
Left wing politics is done and dusted for a long time. The travel of political direction is towards the right worldwide. Let’s hope it doesn’t go too far. Having totally useless left wing governments in power like this one makes that more likely, however | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:22 - Jan 30 with 1125 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 12:49 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Centre right is the answer. Preferably in a proportionally representative parliament to allow continuity of policy direction [Post edited 30 Jan 13:02]
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define centre-right in your view. right or left of the last tory government?
i agree about pr, would have seen the greens, lib dems etc ihaving a say in a labour-led governement and pushing it further to the left | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:30 - Jan 30 with 1077 views | Meadowlark |
Unfortunately we live in an undemocratic country, much like the rest of the world and what we need and want as a society is not mirrored by those who wield power- whoever they may be?
Who should you have voted for?
The thieving lying tories were (at last) unelectable. The Greens have yet to convince us that their policies are more than just environmental. The Libs are always the bridesmaids, never the bride, and the vile Reform party has not managed to gain enough media momentum yet, but sadly you can see it coming.
So don't blame yourself for voting Labour. We all did. We really had no choice. |  | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:34 - Jan 30 with 1066 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 11:11 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Just like it took the last lot time to fix the mess the lot before them left. |
The last lot had 14 years. Was it all fixed and hunky dory when they left office? |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:35 - Jan 30 with 1057 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:30 - Jan 30 by Meadowlark |
Unfortunately we live in an undemocratic country, much like the rest of the world and what we need and want as a society is not mirrored by those who wield power- whoever they may be?
Who should you have voted for?
The thieving lying tories were (at last) unelectable. The Greens have yet to convince us that their policies are more than just environmental. The Libs are always the bridesmaids, never the bride, and the vile Reform party has not managed to gain enough media momentum yet, but sadly you can see it coming.
So don't blame yourself for voting Labour. We all did. We really had no choice. |
I didn’t!! | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:35 - Jan 30 with 1057 views | DJR |
The headline to John Crace's sketch seems to me to be one way of teasing Reeves without being sexist.
The One With Rachel Boring for Britain has her losing friends and enemies alike | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:45 - Jan 30 with 1021 views | Father_Jack |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 11:03 - Jan 30 by Pinewoodblue |
Don’t blame yourself you didn’t have much choice.
Fingers crossed that by next election everyone has forgotten “vote for change” otherwise we could end up with Reform having a say in a coalition government.
Reeves sat next to Starmer at PMG’s yesterday expressionless as if she didn’t want to be there. Either, or both of them, are not going to last the distance. |
Do you mean PMQs?
She wasn't there. |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:50 - Jan 30 with 1002 views | positivity |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:35 - Jan 30 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I didn’t!! |
so you voted tory or reform then? | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:26 - Jan 30 with 912 views | PacittiJohn |
What is the point of Labour? Power for power’s sake. The writing was on the wall with the manner in which Starmer obtained the Labour leadership. No idealogy, no ideas, hand in hand with the mega rich and biased media. | | | |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:33 - Jan 30 with 893 views | blueasfook |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:34 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The last lot had 14 years. Was it all fixed and hunky dory when they left office? |
Well no, which is why the country voted for change. But we all got conned didn't we. |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:34 - Jan 30 with 894 views | blueasfook |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 13:22 - Jan 30 by positivity |
define centre-right in your view. right or left of the last tory government?
i agree about pr, would have seen the greens, lib dems etc ihaving a say in a labour-led governement and pushing it further to the left |
Conveniently ignoring the number of votes Reform amassed there! In a PR parliament they'd also have considerable clout. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:39 - Jan 30 with 876 views | blueasfook |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:26 - Jan 30 by PacittiJohn |
What is the point of Labour? Power for power’s sake. The writing was on the wall with the manner in which Starmer obtained the Labour leadership. No idealogy, no ideas, hand in hand with the mega rich and biased media. |
Poor Flashers must be exhausted with all all the downvotes he's having to dish out on these threads. His mouse clicking finger is gonna end up with RSI. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:42 - Jan 30 with 850 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:33 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Well no, which is why the country voted for change. But we all got conned didn't we. |
Given it's been a few months, as opposed to 14 years, no, no evidence we've been conned. There certainly isn't the corruption we saw under the last government. There isn't "kicking the can down the road" like with the overcrowded prisons, or the various strikes over pay and conditions. There's no hiding of how bad the economy really is, with a covered up black hole, but efforts (however unpopular some might be) to redress. So plenty of change already.
You're not really interested though, you're just desperate for Labour to fail.
You were asking why "the gangs aren't smashed yet" a few weeks into the new government. You're putting up ridiculous standards for Labour to achieve which are a way higher bar than you ever gave the Tories. | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:44 - Jan 30 with 845 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:39 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Poor Flashers must be exhausted with all all the downvotes he's having to dish out on these threads. His mouse clicking finger is gonna end up with RSI. |
Do you want a political debate or do you just want to throw around insults? | |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:46 - Jan 30 with 831 views | BlueBadger |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 11:48 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Well at least you acknowledge Blair/Brown's govt left a mess. There's a a start. |
Fair play to Brown, he was genuinely making inroads in the face of a global financial crisis. Then Call Me Dave decided to take a dump on it by blaming poor people for it. |  |
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| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:53 - Jan 30 with 802 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| I was prepared to give Starmer and Reeves a chance. Not any longer. on 14:34 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Conveniently ignoring the number of votes Reform amassed there! In a PR parliament they'd also have considerable clout. |
As they should in a democracy | | | |
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