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It’s not a good time to be from a minority background, or as we also call them ‘a person’. It’s very much a fascist ideology on show now, unapologetically so as well which makes it all the more shocking.
So much wrong there, the attacks on minorities were horrible.
I also take issue with the part that people "voted unequivocally" to get rid of DEI projects and to pile on minorities. Trump clearly won by a long way due to the electoral college system but the popular vote difference was only 2m out of 152m votes - hardly an unequivocal mandate.
An utterly awful interview and rightly shut down.
SB
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RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 08:43 - Jan 31 by Swansea_Blue
It’s not a good time to be from a minority background, or as we also call them ‘a person’. It’s very much a fascist ideology on show now, unapologetically so as well which makes it all the more shocking.
RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 08:56 - Jan 31 by Ryorry
We’re in the Trumpan Show.
What a time to be alive.
Selfishly, that’s what annoys me most about him. It’s always about him. I was sick to death of hearing about him last time, and I’m already at that point again this time. After a week.
Disagree. It's closer to what the nazis* did: Marginalising and attacking historically derided minorities, pretending to be for the people while cosying up to big business. Now looking for extra territory, too.
* While inspired by Mussolini's Fascisti, Hitler and the nazis were not identical. The latter being explicitly racialist, which the Italian movement wasn't (at least no more so than much of Europe and the USA at the time) until it fell under German influence. The Fascisti were ultra-nationalist, economically socialist (but anti-communist) revolutionaries.
RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 09:10 - Jan 31 by Guthrum
Disagree. It's closer to what the nazis* did: Marginalising and attacking historically derided minorities, pretending to be for the people while cosying up to big business. Now looking for extra territory, too.
* While inspired by Mussolini's Fascisti, Hitler and the nazis were not identical. The latter being explicitly racialist, which the Italian movement wasn't (at least no more so than much of Europe and the USA at the time) until it fell under German influence. The Fascisti were ultra-nationalist, economically socialist (but anti-communist) revolutionaries.
I've said it before but, given the US is a democracy (which neither fascist Italy nor Nazi Germany were), I think the best description of Trump is a demagogue, a word that seems to have gone out of fashion because I can't recall him being called this.
This from Wikipedia
A demagogue is a political leader in a democracy who gains popularity by arousing the common people against elites, especially through oratory that whips up the passions of crowds, appealing to emotion by scapegoating out-groups, exaggerating dangers to stoke fears, lying for emotional effect, or other rhetoric that tends to drown out reasoned deliberation and encourage fanatical popularity. Demagogues overturn established norms of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so.
He is also a bully, as well as various other things.
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RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 09:50 - Jan 31 by DJR
I've said it before but, given the US is a democracy (which neither fascist Italy nor Nazi Germany were), I think the best description of Trump is a demagogue, a word that seems to have gone out of fashion because I can't recall him being called this.
This from Wikipedia
A demagogue is a political leader in a democracy who gains popularity by arousing the common people against elites, especially through oratory that whips up the passions of crowds, appealing to emotion by scapegoating out-groups, exaggerating dangers to stoke fears, lying for emotional effect, or other rhetoric that tends to drown out reasoned deliberation and encourage fanatical popularity. Demagogues overturn established norms of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so.
He is also a bully, as well as various other things.
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I can think of another word him but, apparently, TWTD won't let me post it.
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Ade Akinbiyi couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo...
RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 09:50 - Jan 31 by DJR
I've said it before but, given the US is a democracy (which neither fascist Italy nor Nazi Germany were), I think the best description of Trump is a demagogue, a word that seems to have gone out of fashion because I can't recall him being called this.
This from Wikipedia
A demagogue is a political leader in a democracy who gains popularity by arousing the common people against elites, especially through oratory that whips up the passions of crowds, appealing to emotion by scapegoating out-groups, exaggerating dangers to stoke fears, lying for emotional effect, or other rhetoric that tends to drown out reasoned deliberation and encourage fanatical popularity. Demagogues overturn established norms of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so.
He is also a bully, as well as various other things.
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I don't know enough about Italy to comment on that but regarding Nazi Germany, it was democratic when Hitler became Chancellor, he then systematically dismantled the democracy, but (shockingly) completely legally. At least as far as I'm aware. Watch as Trump and his cronies try to do the same, legally or otherwise. I've seen people say 'well, he can't do that, the Constitution says so', but it still requires someone to stand up to him and apply the rules. Is anyone actually capable of doing that any more?
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RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 11:10 - Jan 31 with 1958 views
RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 09:50 - Jan 31 by DJR
I've said it before but, given the US is a democracy (which neither fascist Italy nor Nazi Germany were), I think the best description of Trump is a demagogue, a word that seems to have gone out of fashion because I can't recall him being called this.
This from Wikipedia
A demagogue is a political leader in a democracy who gains popularity by arousing the common people against elites, especially through oratory that whips up the passions of crowds, appealing to emotion by scapegoating out-groups, exaggerating dangers to stoke fears, lying for emotional effect, or other rhetoric that tends to drown out reasoned deliberation and encourage fanatical popularity. Demagogues overturn established norms of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so.
He is also a bully, as well as various other things.
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It's a word I've frequently used for Trump and his ilk. Populist leaders tend to be.
Germany was democratic. While they didn't win any national-level elections, it was the nazis' parliamentary strength which got Hitler the invitation to become Chancellor.
RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 09:50 - Jan 31 by DJR
I've said it before but, given the US is a democracy (which neither fascist Italy nor Nazi Germany were), I think the best description of Trump is a demagogue, a word that seems to have gone out of fashion because I can't recall him being called this.
This from Wikipedia
A demagogue is a political leader in a democracy who gains popularity by arousing the common people against elites, especially through oratory that whips up the passions of crowds, appealing to emotion by scapegoating out-groups, exaggerating dangers to stoke fears, lying for emotional effect, or other rhetoric that tends to drown out reasoned deliberation and encourage fanatical popularity. Demagogues overturn established norms of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so.
He is also a bully, as well as various other things.
RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 09:50 - Jan 31 by DJR
I've said it before but, given the US is a democracy (which neither fascist Italy nor Nazi Germany were), I think the best description of Trump is a demagogue, a word that seems to have gone out of fashion because I can't recall him being called this.
This from Wikipedia
A demagogue is a political leader in a democracy who gains popularity by arousing the common people against elites, especially through oratory that whips up the passions of crowds, appealing to emotion by scapegoating out-groups, exaggerating dangers to stoke fears, lying for emotional effect, or other rhetoric that tends to drown out reasoned deliberation and encourage fanatical popularity. Demagogues overturn established norms of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so.
He is also a bully, as well as various other things.
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Define democracy
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RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 10:47 - Jan 31 by iamatractorboy
I don't know enough about Italy to comment on that but regarding Nazi Germany, it was democratic when Hitler became Chancellor, he then systematically dismantled the democracy, but (shockingly) completely legally. At least as far as I'm aware. Watch as Trump and his cronies try to do the same, legally or otherwise. I've seen people say 'well, he can't do that, the Constitution says so', but it still requires someone to stand up to him and apply the rules. Is anyone actually capable of doing that any more?
I'm not as pessimistic on this front as many others appear to be. The constitution limits what can be done, and changes to the constitution require a two-thirds majority.
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RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 11:49 - Jan 31 by DJR
I'm not as pessimistic on this front as many others appear to be. The constitution limits what can be done, and changes to the constitution require a two-thirds majority.
They have a stacked supreme court who will go with whatever their team wants.
And they are the ones who get to interpret what the constitution means.
RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 11:10 - Jan 31 by Guthrum
It's a word I've frequently used for Trump and his ilk. Populist leaders tend to be.
Germany was democratic. While they didn't win any national-level elections, it was the nazis' parliamentary strength which got Hitler the invitation to become Chancellor.
I am still not sure I have heard anyone in the media calling him that. Maybe populist has replaced it but I tend to think populist is a much tamer way of describing people like Trump and demagogue is much more powerful and apt.
In what you say, "was" appears to me to be the key word. It is not clear to me that Trump will be able to do anything to stop the States being a democracy, albeit, according to the Economist Democracy Index, a flawed democracy (since 2015).
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RIP truth, evidence, decency, reason and potentially civilisation on 11:59 - Jan 31 by DJR
I am still not sure I have heard anyone in the media calling him that. Maybe populist has replaced it but I tend to think populist is a much tamer way of describing people like Trump and demagogue is much more powerful and apt.
In what you say, "was" appears to me to be the key word. It is not clear to me that Trump will be able to do anything to stop the States being a democracy, albeit, according to the Economist Democracy Index, a flawed democracy (since 2015).
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