| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… 19:02 - Feb 1 with 3796 views | Libero |
No Premier League play has made more errors that have directly led to goals as Arlo, that doesn’t count errors like today for the first goal where he had his whole hand behind the ball yet somehow allowed it through.
I stopped counting a while ago, but he’s lost us numerous points and cost us games.
Yes, he has good attributes, but they’re totally eclipsed by his consistent errors that cost us.
I believe he has the technical ability to play out from the back, but his decision making is diabolical and once he’s been shaken a bit he gets yips- you can literally see the fear in his face at times.
When you consider the money we’ve paid for him too- it has to be seen as a poor piece of recruitment, sadly.
It’s been a while, but he can join the illustrious club that boasts the likes of Dean Gerken, Andy Marshall, Arran Lee-Barratt and Scott Loach… |  | | |  |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:05 - Feb 1 with 3092 views | Swailsey |
May I remind you of ALB’s surprisingly good points-per-game stats?
But yes. Muric has been a disaster IMO. |  |
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:06 - Feb 1 with 3059 views | nrb1985 |
Said a while back on a different thread he makes me think of a goalkeeping Theo Walcott.
Bags of athleticism but just absolutely not a footballer, |  | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:15 - Feb 1 with 2960 views | Swansea_Blue |
I hate criticising our players, but I’m slowly coming round to the view that we screwed up our keeper recruitment. It’s such an important position. |  |
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:19 - Feb 1 with 2873 views | Bluecasp |
Bit harsh on Dean Gerken, thought he was ok for us. You could replace him in that list with Will Norris.
I'm guessing Slicker will play next week against Coventry.
I'm struggling to think of a Town keeper that started so badly and then came good. | | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:22 - Feb 1 with 2829 views | Ryorry |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:15 - Feb 1 by Swansea_Blue |
I hate criticising our players, but I’m slowly coming round to the view that we screwed up our keeper recruitment. It’s such an important position. |
My 'what 3 words' on Homer's thread were "keepers define seasons". Think of Hladky & Walton's in our previous two.
Someone said on another thread that we'd used a data analysis recruitment company in our search for a new keeper - could be that was the root of the problem. Sometimes your eyes (and other clubs' fans) are better than AIs ... [Post edited 1 Feb 19:25]
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:39 - Feb 1 with 2679 views | BLUEBEAT |
Feels that way but do you have stats to back up your statement? |  |
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:44 - Feb 1 with 2589 views | Libero |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:19 - Feb 1 by Bluecasp |
Bit harsh on Dean Gerken, thought he was ok for us. You could replace him in that list with Will Norris.
I'm guessing Slicker will play next week against Coventry.
I'm struggling to think of a Town keeper that started so badly and then came good. |
Dean Gerken was actually the worst of the lot tbf- terrible handling and couldn’t reach the half way line with goal kicks.
Then there’s his conduct at the end of season awards… | | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:44 - Feb 1 with 2584 views | IThinkItsChaplin |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:19 - Feb 1 by Bluecasp |
Bit harsh on Dean Gerken, thought he was ok for us. You could replace him in that list with Will Norris.
I'm guessing Slicker will play next week against Coventry.
I'm struggling to think of a Town keeper that started so badly and then came good. |
Hladky was awful at the start of 2021/22. And he very much came good. | | | |
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:45 - Feb 1 with 2569 views | britbiker |
Southampton's tactic appeared to be slow down the game via fake injuries and hope for one break. Unfortunately it worked perfectly. Didn't help that music also appears to want to slow down the game by holding on to the ball until their attacker is right on him even if there is a simple pass elsewhere. |  | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:48 - Feb 1 with 2515 views | Libero |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:39 - Feb 1 by BLUEBEAT |
Feels that way but do you have stats to back up your statement? |
I mean, yeah!
Statistically- no one in the premier league has made more errors that have directly led to goals.
He’s level with Sanchez at Chelsea with five, he’s played 17/18 league games I believe.
Please note, this statistic doesn’t count situations like today where Arlo shows off his popadom wrists and fluffs routine saves. | | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:49 - Feb 1 with 2490 views | HighgateBlue |
Playing out from the back is a luxury we can't afford. We've been made to look silly doing it, and trying to argue that it's resulted in more goals for than against is reliant on us actually scoring goals. What is it in the last 4 games? 14 against, 2 for. We look like we've won a raffle to play in the Premier League, not earned the right. Leeds won 7-0 today. When was the last time we even scored 3 and won a league game? Certainly not this season...
We win 1 in 8 games, and our form has flatlined. If Kieran had left in the summer, and this was a new manager with these results, make no mistake, he would be fired tomorrow morning. I'm not for one moment suggesting the Club even thinks about firing Kieran, but the situation is dire, and in my view we've had precious little, if any, benefit from our £100m+ spent. That is quite a remarkable situation.
The goalkeeping situation in particular is one which Kieran must accept, at least privately, he's absolutely f***ed up. We're worse than last year, having spent millions. That's pretty remarkable. |  | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:50 - Feb 1 with 2473 views | Libero |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:15 - Feb 1 by Swansea_Blue |
I hate criticising our players, but I’m slowly coming round to the view that we screwed up our keeper recruitment. It’s such an important position. |
I think the recruitment team saw a physically imposing keeper with all the athleticism required and good technical ability to play out from the back despite his poor decision making, they maybe thought they could improve him, make his decision making better, drill good positioning into him, encourage good form when diving to push the ball out, etc.
It hasn’t worked out that way, sadly. [Post edited 1 Feb 19:51]
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:57 - Feb 1 with 2392 views | Portman_Pie |
I watched him closely today - and probably spent a little too much time transfixed on his actions rather than watching play - not that I missed much by doing so.
Got to say - my observations revealed that he is the least vocal keeper I have EVER seen wearing the shirt. Having similarly watched Walton - I can’t help thinking that his conversation with the defence is what you’d expect, and dialogue between the defence is always appreciated as to tactics. Muric - nope. Not a friggin sausage today. I genuinely didn’t see him speak to his back line today which worried me. Similarly - what I could t believe whilst watching him - was his absolute lack of gesticulation to where he was going to play the ball. Typically - a keeper indicates to a defender with a point of the finger, sweeping wave or similar as to what they intend to do from a goal kick or dead ball. Nope - not Muric. Instead he played a game of guess who - and without even looking in the players direction the majority of the game - passed it on the deck to them.
O’Shea seemed to be the recipient of most of these un warned passes - but he, being equally as poor at defending and a sucker for relegation - there’s no surprise they worked so badly together. Muric seems to want to ‘mask’ to the opposition who he’s playing out to - but at the same time - his lack of communication is utterly dreadful and doesn’t build any confidence with the defence.
I personally think the defense has looked more assured with Walton’s communication.in the last few games despite the City and Liverpool scores - which were basically inevitable.
Shame Walton’s injured. With Muric in - we might as well wave the white flag and concede. | | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:58 - Feb 1 with 2363 views | Libero |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:49 - Feb 1 by HighgateBlue |
Playing out from the back is a luxury we can't afford. We've been made to look silly doing it, and trying to argue that it's resulted in more goals for than against is reliant on us actually scoring goals. What is it in the last 4 games? 14 against, 2 for. We look like we've won a raffle to play in the Premier League, not earned the right. Leeds won 7-0 today. When was the last time we even scored 3 and won a league game? Certainly not this season...
We win 1 in 8 games, and our form has flatlined. If Kieran had left in the summer, and this was a new manager with these results, make no mistake, he would be fired tomorrow morning. I'm not for one moment suggesting the Club even thinks about firing Kieran, but the situation is dire, and in my view we've had precious little, if any, benefit from our £100m+ spent. That is quite a remarkable situation.
The goalkeeping situation in particular is one which Kieran must accept, at least privately, he's absolutely f***ed up. We're worse than last year, having spent millions. That's pretty remarkable. |
‘playing out from the back’ is fine, Walton has executed it adequately, although not spectacularly.
Arlo’s decision making and concentration is the issue in regards to ‘playing out from the back’ | | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 20:00 - Feb 1 with 2338 views | Bluebell |
I must admit from the beginning I wondered why we paid a hell of a lot of money for a keeper who couldn't get into the first team of Burnley who were relegated from the Premier League.
I now think I was right in worrying. |  | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 20:01 - Feb 1 with 2316 views | Reuser_is_God |
Even worse than Marshall. |  |
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 20:02 - Feb 1 with 2310 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:57 - Feb 1 by Portman_Pie |
I watched him closely today - and probably spent a little too much time transfixed on his actions rather than watching play - not that I missed much by doing so.
Got to say - my observations revealed that he is the least vocal keeper I have EVER seen wearing the shirt. Having similarly watched Walton - I can’t help thinking that his conversation with the defence is what you’d expect, and dialogue between the defence is always appreciated as to tactics. Muric - nope. Not a friggin sausage today. I genuinely didn’t see him speak to his back line today which worried me. Similarly - what I could t believe whilst watching him - was his absolute lack of gesticulation to where he was going to play the ball. Typically - a keeper indicates to a defender with a point of the finger, sweeping wave or similar as to what they intend to do from a goal kick or dead ball. Nope - not Muric. Instead he played a game of guess who - and without even looking in the players direction the majority of the game - passed it on the deck to them.
O’Shea seemed to be the recipient of most of these un warned passes - but he, being equally as poor at defending and a sucker for relegation - there’s no surprise they worked so badly together. Muric seems to want to ‘mask’ to the opposition who he’s playing out to - but at the same time - his lack of communication is utterly dreadful and doesn’t build any confidence with the defence.
I personally think the defense has looked more assured with Walton’s communication.in the last few games despite the City and Liverpool scores - which were basically inevitable.
Shame Walton’s injured. With Muric in - we might as well wave the white flag and concede. |
Other than a completely bizarre take on O'Shea - did you only watch his debut or something? - exactly right, and it's the same with his "command" of his box. Exhibit A, Brentford's winner, in which the defence figured a keeper might like to catch a ball heading for him but he seemingly decided to let them read his mind instead, and let a tame chip into the box drop past him. | | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 20:03 - Feb 1 with 2291 views | Ryorry |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:57 - Feb 1 by Portman_Pie |
I watched him closely today - and probably spent a little too much time transfixed on his actions rather than watching play - not that I missed much by doing so.
Got to say - my observations revealed that he is the least vocal keeper I have EVER seen wearing the shirt. Having similarly watched Walton - I can’t help thinking that his conversation with the defence is what you’d expect, and dialogue between the defence is always appreciated as to tactics. Muric - nope. Not a friggin sausage today. I genuinely didn’t see him speak to his back line today which worried me. Similarly - what I could t believe whilst watching him - was his absolute lack of gesticulation to where he was going to play the ball. Typically - a keeper indicates to a defender with a point of the finger, sweeping wave or similar as to what they intend to do from a goal kick or dead ball. Nope - not Muric. Instead he played a game of guess who - and without even looking in the players direction the majority of the game - passed it on the deck to them.
O’Shea seemed to be the recipient of most of these un warned passes - but he, being equally as poor at defending and a sucker for relegation - there’s no surprise they worked so badly together. Muric seems to want to ‘mask’ to the opposition who he’s playing out to - but at the same time - his lack of communication is utterly dreadful and doesn’t build any confidence with the defence.
I personally think the defense has looked more assured with Walton’s communication.in the last few games despite the City and Liverpool scores - which were basically inevitable.
Shame Walton’s injured. With Muric in - we might as well wave the white flag and concede. |
Agreed with your good points well made re communicstion, but definitely not with your 'white flag' comment. The fat lady's not even got onto the stage yet. | |
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 20:05 - Feb 1 with 2250 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:44 - Feb 1 by IThinkItsChaplin |
Hladky was awful at the start of 2021/22. And he very much came good. |
The difference being he played half a dozen games and was given short shift. Muric has played over half a season. So not comparable. | |
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 20:06 - Feb 1 with 2220 views | Libero |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:57 - Feb 1 by Portman_Pie |
I watched him closely today - and probably spent a little too much time transfixed on his actions rather than watching play - not that I missed much by doing so.
Got to say - my observations revealed that he is the least vocal keeper I have EVER seen wearing the shirt. Having similarly watched Walton - I can’t help thinking that his conversation with the defence is what you’d expect, and dialogue between the defence is always appreciated as to tactics. Muric - nope. Not a friggin sausage today. I genuinely didn’t see him speak to his back line today which worried me. Similarly - what I could t believe whilst watching him - was his absolute lack of gesticulation to where he was going to play the ball. Typically - a keeper indicates to a defender with a point of the finger, sweeping wave or similar as to what they intend to do from a goal kick or dead ball. Nope - not Muric. Instead he played a game of guess who - and without even looking in the players direction the majority of the game - passed it on the deck to them.
O’Shea seemed to be the recipient of most of these un warned passes - but he, being equally as poor at defending and a sucker for relegation - there’s no surprise they worked so badly together. Muric seems to want to ‘mask’ to the opposition who he’s playing out to - but at the same time - his lack of communication is utterly dreadful and doesn’t build any confidence with the defence.
I personally think the defense has looked more assured with Walton’s communication.in the last few games despite the City and Liverpool scores - which were basically inevitable.
Shame Walton’s injured. With Muric in - we might as well wave the white flag and concede. |
I was at home watching today, as my boy has chicken pox-
I concur with everything you’ve said there- just to add, that I noticed multiple times when the camera zoomed in on him he looked visibly shaken and fearful, something I don’t usually have the luxury of seeing up close from my seat in the North Upper. [Post edited 1 Feb 20:08]
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 21:27 - Feb 1 with 1901 views | Clutch |
There must be an experienced keeper available for loan from abroad that could be signed? Who would rather get half a season first choice for us than be backup at a big club wherever that may be. |  | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 21:42 - Feb 1 with 1847 views | WeirdFishes |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 20:00 - Feb 1 by Bluebell |
I must admit from the beginning I wondered why we paid a hell of a lot of money for a keeper who couldn't get into the first team of Burnley who were relegated from the Premier League.
I now think I was right in worrying. |
A Burnley fan I worked with messaged me when we signed him to basically say he was appalling. I thought better of posting about it at the time but beginning to think I should have emailed it to Mr Ashton. |  |
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| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 21:47 - Feb 1 with 1808 views | Stewart27 |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 19:49 - Feb 1 by HighgateBlue |
Playing out from the back is a luxury we can't afford. We've been made to look silly doing it, and trying to argue that it's resulted in more goals for than against is reliant on us actually scoring goals. What is it in the last 4 games? 14 against, 2 for. We look like we've won a raffle to play in the Premier League, not earned the right. Leeds won 7-0 today. When was the last time we even scored 3 and won a league game? Certainly not this season...
We win 1 in 8 games, and our form has flatlined. If Kieran had left in the summer, and this was a new manager with these results, make no mistake, he would be fired tomorrow morning. I'm not for one moment suggesting the Club even thinks about firing Kieran, but the situation is dire, and in my view we've had precious little, if any, benefit from our £100m+ spent. That is quite a remarkable situation.
The goalkeeping situation in particular is one which Kieran must accept, at least privately, he's absolutely f***ed up. We're worse than last year, having spent millions. That's pretty remarkable. |
Fook off Fanny | | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 21:49 - Feb 1 with 1788 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 20:03 - Feb 1 by Ryorry |
Agreed with your good points well made re communicstion, but definitely not with your 'white flag' comment. The fat lady's not even got onto the stage yet. |
Any chance she can play goalie? | | | |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 23:06 - Feb 1 with 1574 views | Libero |
| Defence of Muric is admirable but misguided… on 21:42 - Feb 1 by WeirdFishes |
A Burnley fan I worked with messaged me when we signed him to basically say he was appalling. I thought better of posting about it at the time but beginning to think I should have emailed it to Mr Ashton. |
I remember seeing comments like this and parking them after looking at the average points per game won with Muric compared to Trafford, assumed the club would take those raw attributes and kick him on to the next level- it just hasn’t happened, infact he’s maybe got worse? I don’t know, it’s still rather raw.
What really sucks is I’m 95% sure we’re going to have to watch him play week-in-week-out until Walton is fit. | | | |
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