| Rachel Reeves 22:57 - Feb 13 with 7806 views | blueasfook |
When's she gonna come clean and admit she only did a work placement from school at the BoE? |  |
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| Rachel Reeves on 13:37 - Feb 14 with 1681 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:24 - Feb 14 by DJR |
Indeed the Bank of England forecast was for a 0.1% contraction, and I saw somewhere an independent estimate of 0.8% growth in January.
The following was also reported a couple of days ago.
"The UK economy will grow by 1.5% in 2025, according to a thinktank forecast, which said this would be fuelled by measures announced in the autumn budget.
The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said in its latest quarterly outlook, released on Wednesday, that the UK could be the third-fastest growing economy in the G7 this year."
And January's retail sales sound promising
https://www.retail-insight-network.com/news/uk-retail-january-sales-2025/
Of course, it's difficult to say how it will all pan out, and we have Trump playing silly b@ggers, so who knows what will happen. [Post edited 14 Feb 13:28]
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As much as protectionism might impact the picture globally, the US is still forecast to grow and the dollar to remain strong. Having the strong dollar and large domestic supplies of oil and gas will offset some of the increased cost of imports.
I’d say the geopolitical uncertainty is going to cause a lot of uncertainty for business. Trump’s Gaza plans will bring further instability to the region, Ukraine/Russia will almost certainly drag on when the manbaby realises he’s getting his pants pulled down by Putin. Then we’ve seen huge instability in Africa and numerous coups over the last couple of years which will impact growth there. In Europe we are seeing more and more populists come to power which will leave the continent more divided. |  | | |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:40 - Feb 14 with 1669 views | blueasfook |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:35 - Feb 14 by PassionNotAnger |
How is that response not trolling?!
He corrected something you said in your previous post with an absolute fact - he didn't use bad language or insult you but you just come back with this?
It's just childish |
It's pedantry and it's tedious. Nobody could really argue RR is achieving growth, so my statement wasn't untrue at all. | |
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| Rachel Reeves on 13:48 - Feb 14 with 1631 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:19 - Feb 14 by PhilTWTD |
I don't see why it should be any different. Indeed, false information being promoted through larger social media is behind a lot of the world's problems at the moment. |
In fairness sometimes the way the government presents data is disingenuous (I’m talking red and blue ties). Like the classic ‘fastest G7 growth post COVID’, whilst ignoring that the UK economy fell to the lowest base. Technically it was the fastest growth OUT OF A CONTRACTION. In compounded real terms we were well behind our peers.
Likewise reporting gross GDP growth whilst it’s declined per capita for two consecutive years feels dishonest to me. Nobody is benefiting from that except some businesses, not workers, HMRC, or public services. The other favourite is reporting wage growth but not taking ‘real term’ wage growth. If your earnings are being eaten away by inflation then the wage growth is irrelevant.
Don’t disagree there’s a lot of nonsense on social media, but the government likes to ‘spin’ virtually every piece of information they release. Sometimes you only have to scratch beneath the surface to see it’s not the full story. [Post edited 14 Feb 14:15]
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| Rachel Reeves on 13:48 - Feb 14 with 1635 views | PhilTWTD |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:40 - Feb 14 by blueasfook |
It's pedantry and it's tedious. Nobody could really argue RR is achieving growth, so my statement wasn't untrue at all. |
Telling other posters to 'Bore off' really isn't acceptable, particularly when they're correct in what they post. |  | | |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:49 - Feb 14 with 1630 views | blueasfook |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:48 - Feb 14 by PhilTWTD |
Telling other posters to 'Bore off' really isn't acceptable, particularly when they're correct in what they post. |
Ok, well I wasn't incorrect either | |
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| Rachel Reeves on 13:51 - Feb 14 with 1622 views | blueasfook |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:49 - Feb 14 by blueasfook |
Ok, well I wasn't incorrect either |
It just gets annoying when people seem determined to prove you wrong constantly | |
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| You tell him Phil.... on 13:54 - Feb 14 with 1605 views | Bloots |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:48 - Feb 14 by PhilTWTD |
Telling other posters to 'Bore off' really isn't acceptable, particularly when they're correct in what they post. |
....it's disgusting behaviour! |  |
| "Great to see you back on here mate, I was considering deactivating my account if you hadn’t returned" - TWTD User (Aug 2025) |
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| You tell him Phil.... on 13:54 - Feb 14 with 1597 views | blueasfook |
| You tell him Phil.... on 13:54 - Feb 14 by Bloots |
....it's disgusting behaviour! |
Soz bloots | |
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| Rachel Reeves on 13:56 - Feb 14 with 1577 views | hype313 |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:51 - Feb 14 by blueasfook |
It just gets annoying when people seem determined to prove you wrong constantly |
But if they do, surely that's the correct thing to do.
But let's not all get our knickers in a twist over 0.1% growth, especially as J2 says, that included Black Friday and Christmas.
I wouldn't be cracking the Bollinger just yet if I was RR, especially when the new taxes start in April. |  |
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| Rachel Reeves on 13:59 - Feb 14 with 1564 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:48 - Feb 14 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
In fairness sometimes the way the government presents data is disingenuous (I’m talking red and blue ties). Like the classic ‘fastest G7 growth post COVID’, whilst ignoring that the UK economy fell to the lowest base. Technically it was the fastest growth OUT OF A CONTRACTION. In compounded real terms we were well behind our peers.
Likewise reporting gross GDP growth whilst it’s declined per capita for two consecutive years feels dishonest to me. Nobody is benefiting from that except some businesses, not workers, HMRC, or public services. The other favourite is reporting wage growth but not taking ‘real term’ wage growth. If your earnings are being eaten away by inflation then the wage growth is irrelevant.
Don’t disagree there’s a lot of nonsense on social media, but the government likes to ‘spin’ virtually every piece of information they release. Sometimes you only have to scratch beneath the surface to see it’s not the full story. [Post edited 14 Feb 14:15]
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It pisses me off no end when the government makes announcements about 'record numbers in employment', 'record public spending' etc.
Technically they are the highest ever numbers/amounts, but with the context of the population being higher, inflation etc. When looked at proportionally they are almost always not records and in some cases were actually falling. |  | | |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:59 - Feb 14 with 1564 views | blueasfook |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:56 - Feb 14 by hype313 |
But if they do, surely that's the correct thing to do.
But let's not all get our knickers in a twist over 0.1% growth, especially as J2 says, that included Black Friday and Christmas.
I wouldn't be cracking the Bollinger just yet if I was RR, especially when the new taxes start in April. |
Well that was my broad point yes. | |
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| We'll get through this difficult time. (n/t) on 14:00 - Feb 14 with 1566 views | Bloots |
| You tell him Phil.... on 13:54 - Feb 14 by blueasfook |
Soz bloots |
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| Rachel Reeves on 14:14 - Feb 14 with 1504 views | DJR |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:18 - Feb 14 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Though it was a per capita decline - as it was the for whole of 2023 and 2024. Adding a million people to our consumer market is just patching over the holes and isn’t making us more productive or wealthier. Serious long term thinking is required, but I fear this isn’t the government to do that. |
A lot of our growth since the great financial crisis has been down to the increase in population.
As regards productivity, it's difficult to know what the answer is given that many businesses here seem reluctant to invest.
https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2023/k-November-2023/Chronic-und
And it all seems to have got worse since the great financial crash.
"And further analysis of figures released this month by the Office for National Statistics shows productivity in the third quarter of this year is now 24% lower than it would have been had the long-run trend in productivity growth seen before the global financial crisis of 2008 continued. This means Britain has now suffered 15 years of anaemic productivity growth, which has been the major cause of the stagnation in real wages over the same period." [Post edited 14 Feb 14:18]
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| Rachel Reeves on 14:14 - Feb 14 with 1498 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Rachel Reeves on 09:45 - Feb 14 by OldFart71 |
I have heard some say that this fuss over her CV is a storm in a tea cup. Also it has been said that her CV was written up wrongly and has been corrected. But on a number of occasions she personally has proclaimed " I worked for the BoE for almost a decade". By my calculations a decade is 10 years. Five and a half isn't almost 10 years. If anyone else had done this such as the police chief who claimed he was in the army they would have been kicked out. It may seem minor to some but these are people in authority, people who should lead by example. No one is whiter than white, we all have skeletons in the closet. But people would accept things more if those in power just admitted things and stopped lying. One of the reasons amongst the many why the Tories were kicked out. |
Couldn’t agree more.
When Boris was caught lying to The Queen in order to prorogue Parliament he was swiftly sacked as PM.
Later, when Boris was found to have attended a number of parties at Downing Street during lockdown and subsequently lied about his attendance he was swiftly sacked as PM…again?
Similarly when Rishi Sunak was found to have lied about attending those same parties he was disciplined and promoted to PM.
Wait…that’s not right. | | | |
| Rachel Reeves on 14:25 - Feb 14 with 1439 views | DJR |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:48 - Feb 14 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
In fairness sometimes the way the government presents data is disingenuous (I’m talking red and blue ties). Like the classic ‘fastest G7 growth post COVID’, whilst ignoring that the UK economy fell to the lowest base. Technically it was the fastest growth OUT OF A CONTRACTION. In compounded real terms we were well behind our peers.
Likewise reporting gross GDP growth whilst it’s declined per capita for two consecutive years feels dishonest to me. Nobody is benefiting from that except some businesses, not workers, HMRC, or public services. The other favourite is reporting wage growth but not taking ‘real term’ wage growth. If your earnings are being eaten away by inflation then the wage growth is irrelevant.
Don’t disagree there’s a lot of nonsense on social media, but the government likes to ‘spin’ virtually every piece of information they release. Sometimes you only have to scratch beneath the surface to see it’s not the full story. [Post edited 14 Feb 14:15]
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All very true, but I suppose it's difficult to oversell zero growth in Q3, and 0.1% growth in Q4!
The other thing to say is that (in my view) it is often that case that very little of what goes on when it comes to growth (or lack of it) has anything to do with the government.
Finally, we may be less affected than countries like Canada and Germany by Trump's shenanigans because my understanding is that we tend to trade in services, rather goods, with the US. [Post edited 14 Feb 14:30]
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| Rachel Reeves on 15:32 - Feb 14 with 1244 views | positivity |
| Rachel Reeves on 15:16 - Feb 14 by blueasfook |
Move on |
instead of move on, why not do better?
all that's being asked is that you don't post made up nonsense, it's not as bad as your norway post, but it seems to be becoming a pattern with you. it's not much to ask is it?
lol (n/t) by blueasfook 12 Feb 12:18In 2022, Norway took in 35,000 refugees. 30,000 of those were from Ukraine. Norway welcomes refugees, just not brown ones.
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| Rachel Reeves on 15:35 - Feb 14 with 1232 views | nrb1985 |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:24 - Feb 14 by DJR |
Indeed the Bank of England forecast was for a 0.1% contraction, and I saw somewhere an independent estimate of 0.8% growth in January.
The following was also reported a couple of days ago.
"The UK economy will grow by 1.5% in 2025, according to a thinktank forecast, which said this would be fuelled by measures announced in the autumn budget.
The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said in its latest quarterly outlook, released on Wednesday, that the UK could be the third-fastest growing economy in the G7 this year."
And January's retail sales sound promising
https://www.retail-insight-network.com/news/uk-retail-january-sales-2025/
Of course, it's difficult to say how it will all pan out, and we have Trump playing silly b@ggers, so who knows what will happen. [Post edited 14 Feb 13:28]
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As a services based economy we should be somewhat insulated from the tariff nonsense.
And bizarrely, if China’s goods can’t go to the US, they could end up flooding Europe and UK and put some downward pressure on prices here.
I’m cautiously optimistic on UK atm. And, unbelievably, the FTSE is outperforming the US markets this year which should please some. | | | |
| Rachel Reeves on 15:39 - Feb 14 with 1222 views | nrb1985 |
| Rachel Reeves on 14:25 - Feb 14 by DJR |
All very true, but I suppose it's difficult to oversell zero growth in Q3, and 0.1% growth in Q4!
The other thing to say is that (in my view) it is often that case that very little of what goes on when it comes to growth (or lack of it) has anything to do with the government.
Finally, we may be less affected than countries like Canada and Germany by Trump's shenanigans because my understanding is that we tend to trade in services, rather goods, with the US. [Post edited 14 Feb 14:30]
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Sorry I just parroted your last paragraph back to you in a separate reply!
I think you’re wrong though re government - lack of political stability in UK over the last 10 years has been a heavy contributor to things like a total lack of foreign investment. Not to mention the B word… | | | |
| Rachel Reeves on 17:27 - Feb 14 with 1052 views | Swansea_Blue |
This isn’t news. Why’s she making the right wing press headlines again for stuff we’ve known about for ages? I can’t take any credit for the idea, but is it possible that voices inside Labour are briefing against her because they’re getting increasingly annoyed with her stubbornness around her nonsensical ‘fiscal rules’ and, er, well uselessness really?
We already know Streeting was pissed off with her for blocking some of the reforms he wanted to quickly move on in the NHS. Now they’re briefing on house building again, but that needs reform to planning, training of tradesmen and cash support. Is she blocking this as well? I’ve no idea, but there’s a lock of muck being thrown her way. Someone wants her gone. |  |
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| We'll get through this difficult time. (n/t) on 20:20 - Feb 14 with 961 views | Bigalhunter |
| We'll get through this difficult time. (n/t) on 14:00 - Feb 14 by Bloots |
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You’re just going to have muddle through.
History is littered with bands that fall apart when the lead singer departs, but for every Queen there’s a Sugababes..
Chins up. |  |
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| Rachel Reeves on 20:25 - Feb 14 with 954 views | Bigalhunter |
| Rachel Reeves on 13:21 - Feb 14 by StokieBlue |
If you don't want to be corrected on your mistakes then perhaps you should check first? I'm not the only one who has corrected you.
I'm great fun at parties, but it's weird to extrapolate ones personality away from the forum based on posts you don't like but then you've also resorted to insults twice already in this thread.
If I was going to use your methodology to extrapolate what you'd be like at parties based on your posts in this thread I would only be able to conclude you'd be a rude fool who walks around getting everything wrong.
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Nicking other people’s drinks and weeing all over the plates in the kitchen sink.
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| Rachel Reeves on 20:35 - Feb 14 with 941 views | Ryorry |
| Rachel Reeves on 17:27 - Feb 14 by Swansea_Blue |
This isn’t news. Why’s she making the right wing press headlines again for stuff we’ve known about for ages? I can’t take any credit for the idea, but is it possible that voices inside Labour are briefing against her because they’re getting increasingly annoyed with her stubbornness around her nonsensical ‘fiscal rules’ and, er, well uselessness really?
We already know Streeting was pissed off with her for blocking some of the reforms he wanted to quickly move on in the NHS. Now they’re briefing on house building again, but that needs reform to planning, training of tradesmen and cash support. Is she blocking this as well? I’ve no idea, but there’s a lock of muck being thrown her way. Someone wants her gone. |
“Stubborn” is your key word there. Bulldozers don’t listen. |  |
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| Rachel Reeves on 21:42 - Feb 14 with 851 views | jontysnut |
| Rachel Reeves on 11:01 - Feb 14 by PassionNotAnger |
It's a massive PR own goal at best. Can't believe that any political party doesn't do a full social media sweep and background checks for any MP taking up a back-bench role let alone front bench.
I have no idea of her actual financial competence and appreciate there will be an army of very qualified advisors but this is such a stupid unnecessary distraction - also find it odd that the BBC has apparently spent 2 months investigating this!? - how rubbish are they that it took two months to "uncover this"
Suspect she won't be chancellor come the end of the summer - sure it will be dressed as a reshuffle but she won't last - doesn't have the charisma to start with, questions around her competence and it's really a poison chalice role right now given mess that was inherited regardless of current policy effectiveness.
Don't remember the previous government getting quite the same level of scrutiny though? |
Yes you'd think that given the press would be all over them like a rash they'd check and double check their closets. Many of her more vocal critics still believe that Boris Johnson is the leader across the water and was the greatest PM since Thatcher. This Boris Johnson.
"The inner house of the Scottish court of sessions concluded Boris Johnson’s advice to the Queen had been “motivated by the improper purpose of stymying parliament”. |  | | |
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