| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option 20:00 - Feb 16 with 10040 views | StokieBlue |
This is quite a huge thing if he's serious but in reality who knows if he's serious. Essentially Musk and thus Trump are saying that they don't feel they have to pay back some of the debt the US has issued.
That would be huge and probably not good for the US over the longer term.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/16/forget-trumps-tariffs-the-presi
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 07:41 - Feb 17 with 2029 views | Plums |
This should come as no great surprise. It's pretty well known that Trump and his electoral campaign team for that matter see not paying bills as part of business. This is the same thing on a stratospheric scale.
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 07:48 - Feb 17 with 2010 views | StokieBlue |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 23:02 - Feb 16 by vapour_trail |
Think the US constitution doesn’t allow for foreign born to take that office. |
Absolutely true at the moment and usually I would agree it's something that won't change but at the moment who knows what is going to happen - it's far beyond what I was expecting.
Check this out:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1161/titles
Official Title as Introduced
To authorize the President to enter into negotiations to acquire Greenland and to rename Greenland as "Red, White, and Blueland".
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 07:55 - Feb 17 with 1988 views | Plums |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 07:48 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
Absolutely true at the moment and usually I would agree it's something that won't change but at the moment who knows what is going to happen - it's far beyond what I was expecting.
Check this out:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1161/titles
Official Title as Introduced
To authorize the President to enter into negotiations to acquire Greenland and to rename Greenland as "Red, White, and Blueland".
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There genuinely aren't any adults in the room are there?
I'm absolutely terrified as to the knots Putin and Xi will tie these clowns up in.
Edit: the upside will be an ever more united and stronger Europe. Extremists usually end up with the opposite of what their aim is so here's hoping. [Post edited 17 Feb 7:58]
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 08:28 - Feb 17 with 1936 views | Churchman |
Thank you for posting this. Very interesting.
I get the sense that American is going to eat itself and by the time Trump and his idiots have finished thrashing around, the US and the world are going to look very different and not necessarily to Trump’s liking. That’s assuming somebody doesn’t bump off toupeeman first.
There’s actually huge opportunity for the U.K. in this, but do we have the people to take advantage of it? |  | | |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 08:48 - Feb 17 with 1892 views | Churchman |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 21:52 - Feb 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Next election! Are you sure? |
Good point DBS. I can see Trump trying to declare some sort of emergence that means he has to stay president beyond four years. Does anyone know enough about the US constitution to understand if that’s possible and if so, how could he do it?
He tried to bin the last election result so he’s not going away quietly.
Edit: looking at other posts, he might well bin 22nd amendment. [Post edited 17 Feb 8:56]
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 08:57 - Feb 17 with 1873 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 22:22 - Feb 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It's only a slightly tongue in cheek comment . I mean who might possibly think that a somewhat less debt fuelled evolution wouldn't have been more sustainable and not built on foundations of sand? Just because we've all been encouraged to buy in to the madness doesn't make it any less insane. |
I certainly won’t argue against claims that it’s build on a pile of sand, insane and stacked against the interests of the many! [Post edited 17 Feb 8:58]
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:02 - Feb 17 with 1859 views | DJR |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 07:48 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
Absolutely true at the moment and usually I would agree it's something that won't change but at the moment who knows what is going to happen - it's far beyond what I was expecting.
Check this out:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1161/titles
Official Title as Introduced
To authorize the President to enter into negotiations to acquire Greenland and to rename Greenland as "Red, White, and Blueland".
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I wouldn't take that Bill too seriously. It probably won't get anywhere anyway.
The president is the federal official that is primarily responsible for the relations of the United States with foreign nations, so entering into negotiations for the acquisition of Greenland would be something he could do anyway.
And as he is the Commander-in-Chief, he could even go to war over it. [Post edited 17 Feb 9:05]
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:11 - Feb 17 with 1827 views | DJR |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 08:48 - Feb 17 by Churchman |
Good point DBS. I can see Trump trying to declare some sort of emergence that means he has to stay president beyond four years. Does anyone know enough about the US constitution to understand if that’s possible and if so, how could he do it?
He tried to bin the last election result so he’s not going away quietly.
Edit: looking at other posts, he might well bin 22nd amendment. [Post edited 17 Feb 8:56]
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He would need a two-thirds majority of each House to ditch the 22nd Amendment.
EDIT: I also came across this.
"The Constitution sets a presidential term at 4 years, and the 22nd amendment pretty firmly sets a two-term maximum:
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."
Since this was a Constitutional amendment, there is no legal way to extend a presidential term after 8 years (or technically 10 if you were a VP-turned-Pres mid-term) without passing a new amendment to allow it. This applies even if elections themselves are suspended for an emergency - the president's term is up when it's up, regardless of whether there's anyone else to take up the office.
Whether or not there's an illegal but effective way to stay president after two terms would be pure speculation." [Post edited 17 Feb 9:18]
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:19 - Feb 17 with 1781 views | StokieBlue |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:02 - Feb 17 by DJR |
I wouldn't take that Bill too seriously. It probably won't get anywhere anyway.
The president is the federal official that is primarily responsible for the relations of the United States with foreign nations, so entering into negotiations for the acquisition of Greenland would be something he could do anyway.
And as he is the Commander-in-Chief, he could even go to war over it. [Post edited 17 Feb 9:05]
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You're missing the point. The fact that it even exists shows the level that some are operating at. Just the wording alone is ridiculous.
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:20 - Feb 17 with 1776 views | positivity |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:11 - Feb 17 by DJR |
He would need a two-thirds majority of each House to ditch the 22nd Amendment.
EDIT: I also came across this.
"The Constitution sets a presidential term at 4 years, and the 22nd amendment pretty firmly sets a two-term maximum:
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."
Since this was a Constitutional amendment, there is no legal way to extend a presidential term after 8 years (or technically 10 if you were a VP-turned-Pres mid-term) without passing a new amendment to allow it. This applies even if elections themselves are suspended for an emergency - the president's term is up when it's up, regardless of whether there's anyone else to take up the office.
Whether or not there's an illegal but effective way to stay president after two terms would be pure speculation." [Post edited 17 Feb 9:18]
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that's interesting thanks, do you know if the 14th amendment (birthright of people born in the usa to be us citizens) is protected in the same way? |  |
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:34 - Feb 17 with 1720 views | DJR |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:20 - Feb 17 by positivity |
that's interesting thanks, do you know if the 14th amendment (birthright of people born in the usa to be us citizens) is protected in the same way? |
It would require a two-thirds majority of each House to amend the 14th Amendment.
I haven't had a chance to consider the following, in which towards the end there is some discussion about exceptions to birthright citizenship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States
Having said that, the text of the 14th Amendment is the following, and I wonder if there might be a perhaps dubious argument to say that the children of illegal immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States because of the illegality of their parents' presence, as a way of denying them citizenship. But that would be for a court to decide.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
EDIT: another thought that has struck me is that the second sentence limits what States can do, but perhaps leave open the implication that abridgment is open to Congress laws which I think operate at a Federal rather than State level.
No doubt the Republicans will be coming up with all sorts of ruses, and ultimately it will be for the Supreme Court to decide. [Post edited 17 Feb 9:51]
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:40 - Feb 17 with 1698 views | J2BLUE |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 07:48 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
Absolutely true at the moment and usually I would agree it's something that won't change but at the moment who knows what is going to happen - it's far beyond what I was expecting.
Check this out:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1161/titles
Official Title as Introduced
To authorize the President to enter into negotiations to acquire Greenland and to rename Greenland as "Red, White, and Blueland".
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Red, White and Blueland...
This is a simulation and the creators are just screwing with us now...surely? |  |
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:40 - Feb 17 with 1699 views | DJR |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:19 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
You're missing the point. The fact that it even exists shows the level that some are operating at. Just the wording alone is ridiculous.
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The more worrying and dangerous thing for me is that Trump is contemplating this, not some unknown and probably bonkers Republican politician who is lapping it up. [Post edited 17 Feb 9:42]
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:48 - Feb 17 with 1667 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:11 - Feb 17 by DJR |
He would need a two-thirds majority of each House to ditch the 22nd Amendment.
EDIT: I also came across this.
"The Constitution sets a presidential term at 4 years, and the 22nd amendment pretty firmly sets a two-term maximum:
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."
Since this was a Constitutional amendment, there is no legal way to extend a presidential term after 8 years (or technically 10 if you were a VP-turned-Pres mid-term) without passing a new amendment to allow it. This applies even if elections themselves are suspended for an emergency - the president's term is up when it's up, regardless of whether there's anyone else to take up the office.
Whether or not there's an illegal but effective way to stay president after two terms would be pure speculation." [Post edited 17 Feb 9:18]
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He has already overisden constitution woth exec orders. The final arboter would be his loaded supreme court. | | | |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:56 - Feb 17 with 1624 views | DJR |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:48 - Feb 17 by redrickstuhaart |
He has already overisden constitution woth exec orders. The final arboter would be his loaded supreme court. |
I don't think even a loaded Supreme Court could override the plain wording of the 22nd Amendment.
As regards the 14th Amendment, I have above suggested that there might be more scope to get round it, and we will have to see how this pans out, but his executive order in relation to 14th Amendment has been stayed. | | | |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 10:34 - Feb 17 with 1560 views | Guthrum |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 00:22 - Feb 17 by vinceg |
You can only serve 2 terms as President, whether consecutive or non-consecutive.
The only loopholes whereby he could become president again would be:
1. Vance gets elected President, appoints Trump as his Vice and then becomes unable to undertake his duties as President, meaning Trump becomes Acting President until Vance is fit enough to resume
2. Bin the 22nd amendment that restricts people to 2 terms |
Or declare some sort of emergency via Executive Order and not bother holding any more elections. Who's going to contradict him? Republican-controlled Congress? The conservative-dominated Supreme Court?
Don't actually think Trump will stand for a third term, but it will be age and disinterest which gets him, not any constitutional limitation. Not personally convinced he'll see out the four years he has. |  |
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 11:45 - Feb 17 with 1469 views | DJR |
On a more general point, I have looked at a few examples of the US constitution recently, and I don't feel that some are as tightly drafted as one would expect of UK legislation.
That is perhaps to be expected of the original constitution, but perhaps more surprising of more recent Amendments.
I am not sure the extent to which legal drafters (as opposed to politicians) get involved in the drafting, or maybe it is just a feature of written constitutions where there is more of a broad brush approach.
In this regards, EU regulations generally needed much more flesh on the bone when implemented in UK law, something that was often criticised. But it was designed, so far as possible, to avoid legal uncertainty. [Post edited 17 Feb 11:52]
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 12:32 - Feb 17 with 1401 views | AndrewRatcliffITFC |
Trump is just stating the obvious ....$36,000,000,000,000 plus and still going up exponentially, ask yourself is that going to be paid back? at some point belief will sucumb to reality and there will be a "kings new clothes moment" | | | |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 12:41 - Feb 17 with 1363 views | Churchman |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:56 - Feb 17 by DJR |
I don't think even a loaded Supreme Court could override the plain wording of the 22nd Amendment.
As regards the 14th Amendment, I have above suggested that there might be more scope to get round it, and we will have to see how this pans out, but his executive order in relation to 14th Amendment has been stayed. |
You’d think not, but the orange one and his mugs are not playing by the ‘rules’. Why exactly shouldn’t a loaded Supreme Court override 22nd or any other Amendment? As hillbilly Vance said, ‘there’s a new sheriff in town’. Any form of decency rules and normality are old hat.
This is the potential threat that I hope will never materialise. | | | |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 12:45 - Feb 17 with 1347 views | NthQldITFC |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:40 - Feb 17 by J2BLUE |
Red, White and Blueland...
This is a simulation and the creators are just screwing with us now...surely? |
It's Friday afternoon, and they took acid in the pub at lunchtime. Way too much acid. |  |
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 13:17 - Feb 17 with 1272 views | WeWereZombies |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:40 - Feb 17 by J2BLUE |
Red, White and Blueland...
This is a simulation and the creators are just screwing with us now...surely? |
No, Trump is just very generous and will give Greenland, sorry Red White and Blue Land to France... |  |
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 14:27 - Feb 17 with 1174 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 09:19 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
You're missing the point. The fact that it even exists shows the level that some are operating at. Just the wording alone is ridiculous.
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Presumably a bit like a 10 minutes rule bill in HoC |  |
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 14:58 - Feb 17 with 1106 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 21:49 - Feb 16 by J2BLUE |
He's completely insane. Four years to do anything he wants. The Democrats need to be uniting behind a candidate now to give themselves a chance in the next election. |
Trump will find a way to make his son be the next presidential nominee for the republicans mark my words |  |
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| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 15:48 - Feb 17 with 1046 views | DJR |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 14:27 - Feb 17 by Pinewoodblue |
Presumably a bit like a 10 minutes rule bill in HoC |
I assume that is the case.
As it is, there is this snippet on Buddy Carter from Wikipedia, so bonkers does seem apt to describe him.
On January 6, 2021, in a vote held after protestors stormed the U.S. Capitol, Carter voted against certifying the 2020 presidential election due to unfounded claims made by the president, a vote he has continued to defend, saying it "will be a cold day in hell" before he apologizes for it. | | | |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 15:51 - Feb 17 with 1042 views | iamatractorboy |
| Trump hinting that "selective default" is an option on 14:58 - Feb 17 by The_Romford_Blue |
Trump will find a way to make his son be the next presidential nominee for the republicans mark my words |
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Or his daughter. | | | |
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