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Reading the debate on McKenna vs Burley as number three, how does everyone rate most of our managers historically?
I would go with this:
1. Sir Alf Ramsay 2. Sir Bobby Robson 3. George Burley 4. John Lyall 5. Bill McGarry 6. Kieran McKenna 7. Joe Royle 8. Scott Duncan 9. Mick O’Brien 10. Mick McCarthy 11. Jim Magilton 12. Bobby Furguson 13. John Duncan 14. Jackie Milburn 15. Roy Keane 16. Paul Jewell 17. Paul Lambert 18. Paul Cook 19. Paul Hurst
Marcus Evans had some record for appointing good managers....
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An East Anglian Town overtaken by Londoners
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How would you rate Town managers? on 16:27 - Feb 19 with 1182 views
Robson was a far better manager than Sir Alf. He kept us competitive in the top division for ten years. After the league win Ramsey renewed every contract and signed Bobby Blackwood when higher level incomers were needed with result that the squad when Milburn took over was old and finished. McGarry would be in my top four, what he did quickly and decisively is very underrated.
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How would you rate Town managers? on 16:38 - Feb 19 with 1159 views
How would you rate Town managers? on 10:37 - Feb 19 by DarkBrandon
I think you are harsh on Lyall, who basically semi-retired, but hung around to help a little.
That's not really abandoning us.
But yes. Turning a mid-table second division squad into champions was a significant feat, but McKenna's achievements top that by some way.
We stayed in the top flight for three seasons and went up as Champions, as good as McKenna has been he's not managed that quite yet, and let us be honest despite us being stuck in League One, by the summer of 2022 with the investment behind him we were way overpowered for League One, the Championship was a hell of a feat though, but we will probably finish under 30points for this season. Lyall's run is massively underrated here. He also spent peanuts to do it, even then. I don't see how McKenna can top that without staying up a few seasons at least.
An East Anglian Town overtaken by Londoners
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How would you rate Town managers? on 20:14 - Feb 19 with 1097 views
1 - Alf Ramsey 2 - Bobby Robson 3 - George Burley 4 - Kieran McKenna 5 - Bill McGarry 6 - Scott Duncan 7 - John Lyall
The Nearly Men
8 - Joe Royle 9 - Bobby Ferguson 10 - Mick McGiven 11 - Mick McCarthy 12 - John Duncan 13 - Jim Magilton
The Failures
14 - Jackie Milburn 15 - Paul Jewell 16 - Roy Keane 17 - Paul Lambert 18 - Paul Cook 19 - Paul Hurst
A cigarette paper separates Ramsey and Robson.
McKenna could go past Burley if he keeps us up and establishes us as a Premier League club over subsequent seasons.
The placings for Ferguson, McGiven and Milburn recognise that they worked mostly in the top flight.
Cook may well have brought a number of players who’ve been integral to our rise over the last couple of years, but his performance as Town manager was markedly inferior to his predecessor, who may well have been a busted flush, but produced better results on a worse budget and with worse players.
Hurst is bottom because to paraphrase the Paul McCartney song, Too Many People, he took his big break and smashed it into powder.
Oh and Jewell ahead of Keane mainly for beating West Ham 6-1 on aggregate in 11-12.
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How would you rate Town managers? on 02:46 - Feb 20 with 1027 views
With KM, much is made of the double promotion, which I completely get, however for me it's the champ season that goes down in memory as working his magic, how we acheived that promotion with the teams competing with us at the top was indeed a miracle imo, so where he sits in the manager table imo depends on how other managers have done in 1 single season in the champ.
League 1, im sorry, yes it was a great achievement, but it was bare minimum expectation with our funding at that level, it needed a big january spend to get us other the line too compared to other sides in the league.
So 100% for me, Champ great achievement to compare with our other managers, but that's where it stays at the moment, unless he keeps us up.
How would you rate Town managers? on 16:38 - Feb 19 by SaffronWaldenBlues
We stayed in the top flight for three seasons and went up as Champions, as good as McKenna has been he's not managed that quite yet, and let us be honest despite us being stuck in League One, by the summer of 2022 with the investment behind him we were way overpowered for League One, the Championship was a hell of a feat though, but we will probably finish under 30points for this season. Lyall's run is massively underrated here. He also spent peanuts to do it, even then. I don't see how McKenna can top that without staying up a few seasons at least.
Not for me. I don't think Lyall's run is underrated here, I suspect most people would place him number 5 or 6, which is where he belongs. A wonderful Second Division title win, a promising first season in the Premiership, then two dreadful years during which he absented himself for large parts. Fifth or sixth feels about right.
'Stayed in the top flight for three seasons'...well, yes, but that's not really the full story. He was sacked halfway through the third season, and wasn't technically in charge for the second.
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How would you rate Town managers? on 12:38 - Feb 20 with 823 views
The thing that disappoints me the most is I think a big club offered McKenna he would have left in a heart beat and the club have now gave him fantastic money and a massive say in everything at the club I appreciate what his done so far, but still unsure on him and the antics of last summer.
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How would you rate Town managers? on 16:27 - Feb 19 by oldburian
Robson was a far better manager than Sir Alf. He kept us competitive in the top division for ten years. After the league win Ramsey renewed every contract and signed Bobby Blackwood when higher level incomers were needed with result that the squad when Milburn took over was old and finished. McGarry would be in my top four, what he did quickly and decisively is very underrated.
Sir Alf did win a certain World Cup no one else has in almost 60 yrs. Sir Gareth what a load of tosh,
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How would you rate Town managers? on 10:28 - Feb 19 by NedPlimpton
I wasn't around to see it, but Jackie Milburn's time as manager must rank somewhere amongst this lot?
It sounds like an absolute car crash. And thanks to him we're forever reminded of the 1963 boxing day defeat to fulham!
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On Christmas Day 1963 Mr John invited the first team to Glemham Hall for a slap up do with unlimited food and booze. He was, after all, a brewer. Is it any surprise that they were not at their best at noon on Boxing Day at Fulham. Them were more relaxed times. What a party that would have been.
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How would you rate Town managers? on 13:18 - Feb 23 with 381 views
How would you rate Town managers? on 08:50 - Feb 20 by FrimleyBlue
With KM, much is made of the double promotion, which I completely get, however for me it's the champ season that goes down in memory as working his magic, how we acheived that promotion with the teams competing with us at the top was indeed a miracle imo, so where he sits in the manager table imo depends on how other managers have done in 1 single season in the champ.
League 1, im sorry, yes it was a great achievement, but it was bare minimum expectation with our funding at that level, it needed a big january spend to get us other the line too compared to other sides in the league.
So 100% for me, Champ great achievement to compare with our other managers, but that's where it stays at the moment, unless he keeps us up.
I think it’s the broader context around how that League One promotion was gained that makes it more celebrated than the “well funded team gets promoted from third tier” story might ordinarily have been.
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