| Missing Wes Burns 08:26 - Feb 24 with 1704 views | TractorFrog |
Seems strange as he didn’t look Premier League standard at the start of the season, and lacking confidence, but since around December he found his feet in this league and now I think the absence of Wes Burns is really costing us. When Johnson plays the RWB role, he offers good defensive support but not much going forward, while Hutchinson and Philogene play it more like the LW role on the other side, okay for the end of the game if we are chasing a result, but not enough defensive support for the Premier League from the start, so both are playing a bit out of position although they would be fine in that role in the championship. Burns I think can defend as well as Johnson, but then he is also excellent on the counter attack and can whip in a ball to win a corner at least, but more recently finding its way into the box more regularly. There’s nobody else in the team who can really play that role without being ‘out of position’ (apart from probably Ogbene who we haven’t seen much of but he has been out even longer).
I think Burns is more important to this Ipswich side than it would sometimes appear, probably even at the start of the season. |  |
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| Missing Wes Burns on 08:39 - Feb 24 with 1615 views | Keno |
I think thats a fair comment
I also think we miss those link ups which served so well in the past 2 seasons for instance Davis to Chappers or Axel/Harry and Burns on the right
we missed being a team |  |
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| Missing Wes Burns on 08:46 - Feb 24 with 1578 views | Herbivore |
The flexibility of our formation and the success it's had over the last couple of years has largely been down to having a pacy, direct right sided player who can get up and down and cover that flank, providing defensive cover as more of a wing back when needed, but becoming a wide forward and giving us a threat in behind at other times. We signed Ogbene as competition for that role so to lose him and Burns for the season is pretty bad luck.
You can see that without those two we're a bit stuck about what to do. Johnson doesn't offer the same threat going forward as the other two, the other options such as Philogene and Hutchinson are different kinds of players. One of the reasons Davis has been so effective for us is us keeping that right winger out very wide and then Chappers or Hutch drifting that way too to create an overload that the opposition has to respond to. When the left 10 also then drifts central, it leaves acres of space for Davis to get in down the left. When teams then try to cover that, it leaves space on the right or more centrally for the 10s to get on the ball. Those threats have only existed intermittently this season.
At the other end, it's meant the hybrid RB/RCB has either not had adequate cover from a more attacking player in front, or has had Johnson wanting to occupy some of the same spaces as them. So basically, the absence of Burns and Ogbene - regardless of their individual quality - has somewhat hamstrung us at both ends of the pitch. |  |
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| Missing Wes Burns on 08:48 - Feb 24 with 1569 views | gringoblue |
| Missing Wes Burns on 08:46 - Feb 24 by Herbivore |
The flexibility of our formation and the success it's had over the last couple of years has largely been down to having a pacy, direct right sided player who can get up and down and cover that flank, providing defensive cover as more of a wing back when needed, but becoming a wide forward and giving us a threat in behind at other times. We signed Ogbene as competition for that role so to lose him and Burns for the season is pretty bad luck.
You can see that without those two we're a bit stuck about what to do. Johnson doesn't offer the same threat going forward as the other two, the other options such as Philogene and Hutchinson are different kinds of players. One of the reasons Davis has been so effective for us is us keeping that right winger out very wide and then Chappers or Hutch drifting that way too to create an overload that the opposition has to respond to. When the left 10 also then drifts central, it leaves acres of space for Davis to get in down the left. When teams then try to cover that, it leaves space on the right or more centrally for the 10s to get on the ball. Those threats have only existed intermittently this season.
At the other end, it's meant the hybrid RB/RCB has either not had adequate cover from a more attacking player in front, or has had Johnson wanting to occupy some of the same spaces as them. So basically, the absence of Burns and Ogbene - regardless of their individual quality - has somewhat hamstrung us at both ends of the pitch. |
good post! |  | | |
| Missing Wes Burns on 09:07 - Feb 24 with 1468 views | Bellevue_Blue |
Definitely agree, we miss that profile of player. Saw it towards the back end of last season as well when he was out post Shef Wed.
Losing both of them for the season has definitely been a cruel blow and who knows where we would be had we been able to utilise both properly.
Hopefully injuries don't impact their pace and they can have a real impact next year. |  | | |
| Missing Wes Burns on 09:09 - Feb 24 with 1457 views | PioneerBlue |
Burns has been a critical part of the team for two three years. He is of course a massive loss and was coming into some form before his injury after having a mixed start to PL life. However we’ve had issues on this side all season and probably didn’t get our business right in Aug. I don’t know that Ogbene would have been the real answer, he may have been, but in our asymmetrical system that RWb/RW has been really key position. | |
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| Missing Wes Burns on 15:22 - Feb 24 with 1188 views | tractordownsouth |
| Missing Wes Burns on 08:46 - Feb 24 by Herbivore |
The flexibility of our formation and the success it's had over the last couple of years has largely been down to having a pacy, direct right sided player who can get up and down and cover that flank, providing defensive cover as more of a wing back when needed, but becoming a wide forward and giving us a threat in behind at other times. We signed Ogbene as competition for that role so to lose him and Burns for the season is pretty bad luck.
You can see that without those two we're a bit stuck about what to do. Johnson doesn't offer the same threat going forward as the other two, the other options such as Philogene and Hutchinson are different kinds of players. One of the reasons Davis has been so effective for us is us keeping that right winger out very wide and then Chappers or Hutch drifting that way too to create an overload that the opposition has to respond to. When the left 10 also then drifts central, it leaves acres of space for Davis to get in down the left. When teams then try to cover that, it leaves space on the right or more centrally for the 10s to get on the ball. Those threats have only existed intermittently this season.
At the other end, it's meant the hybrid RB/RCB has either not had adequate cover from a more attacking player in front, or has had Johnson wanting to occupy some of the same spaces as them. So basically, the absence of Burns and Ogbene - regardless of their individual quality - has somewhat hamstrung us at both ends of the pitch. |
Yeah this is why I was really keen for us to sign Tom Fellows in January. Our right-winger is such a unique role and while he's a bit different to Burns and Ogbene, he's more direct and more comfortable operating in deeper areas than Philogene.
I appreciate that the Burns injury didn't happen until after Philogene had signed, but I think he would have been a better use of funds. |  |
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| Missing Wes Burns on 15:52 - Feb 24 with 1143 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Missing Wes Burns on 08:46 - Feb 24 by Herbivore |
The flexibility of our formation and the success it's had over the last couple of years has largely been down to having a pacy, direct right sided player who can get up and down and cover that flank, providing defensive cover as more of a wing back when needed, but becoming a wide forward and giving us a threat in behind at other times. We signed Ogbene as competition for that role so to lose him and Burns for the season is pretty bad luck.
You can see that without those two we're a bit stuck about what to do. Johnson doesn't offer the same threat going forward as the other two, the other options such as Philogene and Hutchinson are different kinds of players. One of the reasons Davis has been so effective for us is us keeping that right winger out very wide and then Chappers or Hutch drifting that way too to create an overload that the opposition has to respond to. When the left 10 also then drifts central, it leaves acres of space for Davis to get in down the left. When teams then try to cover that, it leaves space on the right or more centrally for the 10s to get on the ball. Those threats have only existed intermittently this season.
At the other end, it's meant the hybrid RB/RCB has either not had adequate cover from a more attacking player in front, or has had Johnson wanting to occupy some of the same spaces as them. So basically, the absence of Burns and Ogbene - regardless of their individual quality - has somewhat hamstrung us at both ends of the pitch. |
Unfortunately this year Davis has not been going into the attacking areas anywhere like as often.
Even when he has the chance to overlap, I’ve lost count of the number of times he turns back and instead plays a simple pass. I think he’s lost all confidence this year |  |
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| Missing Wes Burns on 15:53 - Feb 24 with 1134 views | FrimleyBlue |
Whilst we nothing to lose. I'd love to j clarke given the high wide right Burns role. |  |
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| Missing Wes Burns on 15:56 - Feb 24 with 1116 views | billlm |
| Missing Wes Burns on 08:46 - Feb 24 by Herbivore |
The flexibility of our formation and the success it's had over the last couple of years has largely been down to having a pacy, direct right sided player who can get up and down and cover that flank, providing defensive cover as more of a wing back when needed, but becoming a wide forward and giving us a threat in behind at other times. We signed Ogbene as competition for that role so to lose him and Burns for the season is pretty bad luck.
You can see that without those two we're a bit stuck about what to do. Johnson doesn't offer the same threat going forward as the other two, the other options such as Philogene and Hutchinson are different kinds of players. One of the reasons Davis has been so effective for us is us keeping that right winger out very wide and then Chappers or Hutch drifting that way too to create an overload that the opposition has to respond to. When the left 10 also then drifts central, it leaves acres of space for Davis to get in down the left. When teams then try to cover that, it leaves space on the right or more centrally for the 10s to get on the ball. Those threats have only existed intermittently this season.
At the other end, it's meant the hybrid RB/RCB has either not had adequate cover from a more attacking player in front, or has had Johnson wanting to occupy some of the same spaces as them. So basically, the absence of Burns and Ogbene - regardless of their individual quality - has somewhat hamstrung us at both ends of the pitch. |
As you say pretty bad luck indeed,
I think this also describes town's season,
Had good luck the last two seasons but also made our own, as a club were so much stronger,
Onwards and upwards, |  | | |
| Missing Wes Burns on 22:28 - Feb 24 with 931 views | Juggsy |
Agree with most of that except Johnson providing a lot of defensive support. We always get hammered down the right side when he plays, always seems out of position or wrong side of the player he’s marking. He’s been a big disappointment this year, was expecting more from him as an established premier league player. |  | | |
| Missing Wes Burns on 10:16 - Feb 25 with 722 views | brazil1981 |
Even last season we were often susceptible down that side, it’s a consequence of the way KM likes to set up…risk and reward etc!
Never more evident than last Saturday. Think Godfrey was set up to fail to be honest…he was played out of position (isn’t he primarily a CB), he’s obviously a bit short of match sharpness, up against a World Class fast player….and then you just give him Philogene as covering help! | | | |
| Missing Wes Burns on 10:19 - Feb 25 with 706 views | itfcsuth |
I think to be honest we've missed key players in several moments this season.
I think Ogbene early, and then Burns - the two natural touchline wingers who hold the width on that side.
Tuanzebe - missed his versatility and high level to play the RB/RCB hybrid role
Chaplin - Such an intelligent footballer who knows that 10 role inside out now, can play that position in his sleep.
Hirst - we really missed that substitue rotational firepower to support Delap when Hirst was out. |  | | |
| Missing Wes Burns on 11:18 - Feb 25 with 630 views | urbanblue |
| Missing Wes Burns on 10:19 - Feb 25 by itfcsuth |
I think to be honest we've missed key players in several moments this season.
I think Ogbene early, and then Burns - the two natural touchline wingers who hold the width on that side.
Tuanzebe - missed his versatility and high level to play the RB/RCB hybrid role
Chaplin - Such an intelligent footballer who knows that 10 role inside out now, can play that position in his sleep.
Hirst - we really missed that substitue rotational firepower to support Delap when Hirst was out. |
Losing Ogbene was a real blow and set the tone for the bad luck with injuries for the season. Then, of course, Axel doing his hand, Hirst, Burns, Phillips and latterly Smodics who I think we've really missed last few games. I often wonder how we would do with a fully fit squad. We have just not had the strength in depth needed for the Premier League. |  | | |
| Missing Wes Burns on 11:33 - Feb 25 with 603 views | _clive_baker_ |
Burns' biggest asset is he positional and tactical discipline. He knows the role and system so well and the job he plays in maintaining our defensive shape from an attacking position is so crucial. Chelsea at home was an absolute masterclass in that sort of right wing back role. I watched him closely that night and aside from Delap he was the MOTM. Faultless, didn't give Cucurella a sniff, his shape out of possession was on point, cutting off their out balls, his press was aggressive, he asked questions in possession too and provided creativity going forward. It would be a stretch to say had he been fit all season we would've stayed up, but I dare say we would be much more rigid had he and Tuanzebe been a regular feature down that right hand side. |  | | |
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