| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:04 - Feb 24 with 1055 views | Guthrum |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 20:34 - Feb 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Quite a few angry replies in this thread. But is there anything he said which Is wrong?
I don't see where he's said we've spent money so should be ahead of others. It's more that with the money spent you'd have expected us to get better results as the season progressed and for things to get better as the season progresses rather than worst.
Might be a painful read for some but it's pretty spot on.
A pointless piece mind you and not sure what he gains from it. |
It's not great analysis. The stuff about points and conceded goals in 2025 does not take into account the opposition (top half of the table apart from the recovering Spurs and Southampton). |  |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:10 - Feb 24 with 1042 views | Linners |
I still think it's quite hard to judge the £130m until it is actually 'spent' - i.e. it has ceased to add value. If much of that £130m squad stays and brings us back up, or is sold and funds players that bring us back up, then it will clearly be money well spent.
I do think it is fair to say that we would've hoped for better than we have from that amount of spend. We might have been naive with that belief, but I think generally a bit more was expected. But then you go back to my previous point, the way the money was spent doesn't suggest it was done just with staying up in mind, i.e. we didn't spend £130m to try and stay up, rather it was spent to improve the squad and club finances long-term. And it's too early to judge any of that...even Muric... |  | | |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:13 - Feb 24 with 1030 views | Guthrum |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:02 - Feb 24 by algy |
Alternatively, there are a lot of people in denial. |
That's just people holding on to hope until the last minute, for much the same reason.
Given the ups and downs of sport, not all within our control, neither viewpoint is more logical than the other. We could easily go down, we still have plenty of opportunities to get the points to stay up. It really could go either way. | |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:31 - Feb 24 with 972 views | ghostofescobar |
As ever, the truth is somewhere in the middle, and that piece of “journalism” lacks any context. Much of what he has said is true, but the context of where we have come from, or somehow manage to get through, over the passed 20 odd years, makes where we ware at now remarkable. However, as an ardent, season ticket holding fan, I can’t say that I haven’t been disappointed in how the second half of the season is panning out. Every club we have played against for a second time, we have gone backwards compared to the first time around, other than villa. I was hoping for more, but guess that’s the hope of most fans. I always thought promotion to the prem this season was a step too far, too quickly. Just not sure why we seem to have gone backwards since Xmas. |  |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:40 - Feb 24 with 931 views | pointofblue |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:31 - Feb 24 by ghostofescobar |
As ever, the truth is somewhere in the middle, and that piece of “journalism” lacks any context. Much of what he has said is true, but the context of where we have come from, or somehow manage to get through, over the passed 20 odd years, makes where we ware at now remarkable. However, as an ardent, season ticket holding fan, I can’t say that I haven’t been disappointed in how the second half of the season is panning out. Every club we have played against for a second time, we have gone backwards compared to the first time around, other than villa. I was hoping for more, but guess that’s the hope of most fans. I always thought promotion to the prem this season was a step too far, too quickly. Just not sure why we seem to have gone backwards since Xmas. |
Have we gone backwards in terms of performance from the first games?
Fulham’s much of a muchness. I’d say we were slightly better at Craven Cottage. Same with Villa, though we get credit for the away performance after being down to ten for so long.
Brighton battered us at their place; we more than held our own at Portman Road until the hour mark.
We were awful for much of the second half at Southampton. We looked far more accomplished at Portman Road.
Spurs had their fair share of chances at Hotspur Stadium. The only difference is they took them on Saturday whilst we didn’t.
We were definitely worse against Manchester City and Liverpool. |  |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:54 - Feb 24 with 889 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:40 - Feb 24 by pointofblue |
Have we gone backwards in terms of performance from the first games?
Fulham’s much of a muchness. I’d say we were slightly better at Craven Cottage. Same with Villa, though we get credit for the away performance after being down to ten for so long.
Brighton battered us at their place; we more than held our own at Portman Road until the hour mark.
We were awful for much of the second half at Southampton. We looked far more accomplished at Portman Road.
Spurs had their fair share of chances at Hotspur Stadium. The only difference is they took them on Saturday whilst we didn’t.
We were definitely worse against Manchester City and Liverpool. |
I think it's a fair thing to say our ball playing as improved through the season which you do expect once players begin to understand each other
But as the very short news piece says. Our defending is absolutely woeful and hasn't got any better as the season has gone on.
Our home form too. Just the 10 goals in total. Yes the gap is big but what is there 5 home games left and even scored just 10 goals at a place that's supposed to be your home. |  |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:56 - Feb 24 with 884 views | textbackup |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 20:55 - Feb 24 by NthQldITFC |
Because there seem to be so many posters almost gleefully posting any old bit of negative rubbish at the moment. Whether they're told-you-sos, budgie trolls or just pathetically willing to surrender at the first sign of trouble I don't know, but it's utterly gutless and it makes me sick.
We might all need to be in the trenches soon, so I'd like to see a little more courage displayed, ffs! 
I had emptied my div list a while back, so it's probably my fault.
COYB! |
You’re aware that words on a forum mean nothing in reality, don’t you?
Buying a number of players that aren’t PL ready, and hoping they will be, is probably the reason we are going to go down. That and the keeper that’s cost us 4/5/6 points.
Those same players might have a season or two with us in the championship and become PL ready I might add. |  |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 22:19 - Feb 24 with 845 views | ghostofescobar |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 21:40 - Feb 24 by pointofblue |
Have we gone backwards in terms of performance from the first games?
Fulham’s much of a muchness. I’d say we were slightly better at Craven Cottage. Same with Villa, though we get credit for the away performance after being down to ten for so long.
Brighton battered us at their place; we more than held our own at Portman Road until the hour mark.
We were awful for much of the second half at Southampton. We looked far more accomplished at Portman Road.
Spurs had their fair share of chances at Hotspur Stadium. The only difference is they took them on Saturday whilst we didn’t.
We were definitely worse against Manchester City and Liverpool. |
But results is all that matters. And in that respect, we have gone more than a few steps backwards. I think KM has made a few mistakes, such as too many changes to the team each week and too many changes in formation/tactics, but he’s young, it’s only his third full season as a manager, he’s learning. Guess you can get away making mistakes in L1 and the Championship, but we seem to get punished time and time again this season for every mistake. | |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 22:38 - Feb 24 with 819 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 22:19 - Feb 24 by ghostofescobar |
But results is all that matters. And in that respect, we have gone more than a few steps backwards. I think KM has made a few mistakes, such as too many changes to the team each week and too many changes in formation/tactics, but he’s young, it’s only his third full season as a manager, he’s learning. Guess you can get away making mistakes in L1 and the Championship, but we seem to get punished time and time again this season for every mistake. |
I am not sure how we have gone backwards. Last season we were the second best side in the Championship statistically over the course of the season. Unless Leicester have gone further backwards than we have, we have improved. That improvement does not look like being enough to stay in the Premier League this season. However, if we can progress over the next couple of seasons, we should be in a great place to potentially become a team that can be established in the Premier League. |  |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 07:44 - Feb 25 with 678 views | Horsham |
Scanned it.
Journalist wrote ‘thing is’. I’ve noted that’s a routinely written thing on this forum by a particular poster prone to hot takes. |  | | |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 07:47 - Feb 25 with 673 views | Herbivore |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 20:42 - Feb 24 by algy |
Can't argue with some of the numbers though, Saturday Spurs xg 1.62 scored 4. Coaching Defending is not a McK strength, last season only got away with having the 7th best goals against by scoring a lot more. |
That suggests clinical finishing more than poor defending. There are a number of sides with worse xGA than us, we've definitely been punished at times and there's areas we can improve but I'm not sure you're reading of the stats makes the point you think it makes. There are quite a few teams with worse xGA than us this season: https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xg |  |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 07:56 - Feb 25 with 661 views | Herbivore |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 22:19 - Feb 24 by ghostofescobar |
But results is all that matters. And in that respect, we have gone more than a few steps backwards. I think KM has made a few mistakes, such as too many changes to the team each week and too many changes in formation/tactics, but he’s young, it’s only his third full season as a manager, he’s learning. Guess you can get away making mistakes in L1 and the Championship, but we seem to get punished time and time again this season for every mistake. |
It's interesting reading the forum sometimes, you're saying the issue is we've changed formation and personnel too much, others who are critical of KM say we are inflexible and refuse to make changes. That's not a criticism of you, just interesting that different posters are offering views that seem quite contradictory as a means to criticise the manager. I'd add that changes haven't always been made out of choice, we've had lots of injuries, suspensions, and fitness issues to manage, and it's right that we'd line up a bit more defensively in some fixtures than in others so I don't mind that especially. | |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 08:44 - Feb 25 with 606 views | itfcjoe |
Storey has been on Totally Football a few times this season and seems to have it in for us from Day 1. He's a Forest fan and basically thinks we were stupid to have signed Muric because he had a terrible loan spell there when he was 20 in the 2019/20 season [where he played 4 games so couldn't have been that consequential]
So every time we do anything, he just mentions this, talks about how we play suicidally from the back [which isn't the case really] and just has a lazy narrative that we play like Southampton under Martin were and newly promoted clubs can't do that. |  |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 09:02 - Feb 25 with 571 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 07:56 - Feb 25 by Herbivore |
It's interesting reading the forum sometimes, you're saying the issue is we've changed formation and personnel too much, others who are critical of KM say we are inflexible and refuse to make changes. That's not a criticism of you, just interesting that different posters are offering views that seem quite contradictory as a means to criticise the manager. I'd add that changes haven't always been made out of choice, we've had lots of injuries, suspensions, and fitness issues to manage, and it's right that we'd line up a bit more defensively in some fixtures than in others so I don't mind that especially. |
Sorry to jump in here Herbz, its an interesting view you've shared.
I think it's a mixture of the truth, we have seen alot of changes, some forced, some not
But likewise they has also been some players not really changed, I.E Davis, Delap, to see what effect it may have on things.
Formation changes, well we've had a slight change off the ball to the 5 at the back, but you can't say we've floated with the ideas of a 3/5/2 with three midfielders etc
So it's a bit of a mix between statements which make both elements true | |
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| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 19:04 - Feb 25 with 397 views | RadioOrwell |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 20:34 - Feb 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Quite a few angry replies in this thread. But is there anything he said which Is wrong?
I don't see where he's said we've spent money so should be ahead of others. It's more that with the money spent you'd have expected us to get better results as the season progressed and for things to get better as the season progresses rather than worst.
Might be a painful read for some but it's pretty spot on.
A pointless piece mind you and not sure what he gains from it. |
Yes. Plenty wrong.
"I accept that Ipswich are not an established top-flight club and so perhaps I was expecting too much. But the money spent this season dictates that we are allowed to ask a little more."
1 season of Prem money cannot in anyones world give us parity with clubs with years and years of it.
We are currently above 2 teams who - prior to relegation - had 9 and 11 years of Prem money.
That is nothing to be ashamed of.
Whilst those 2 teams were in the Prem, we had 4 years of Div 1 and 17 years of Championship.
What in the name of all that's holy did he expect ?
Yes ask questions. The answer to those questions is: There's a massive gap between Divisions and we are suffering from it.
He astutely points out that we can't defend.
Thanks for the heads up.
To that, please add up the value of all the players playing against us.
Now compare that to the £130m that we just spent.
"with the money spent you'd have expected us to get better results"
Absolute Rubbish.
He said nothing of any worth apart from we've had a bad season and we're going to get relegated.
No sht Sherlock. |  | | |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 19:51 - Feb 25 with 375 views | Herbivore |
| 🚨 First missile launched 🚨 on 09:02 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Sorry to jump in here Herbz, its an interesting view you've shared.
I think it's a mixture of the truth, we have seen alot of changes, some forced, some not
But likewise they has also been some players not really changed, I.E Davis, Delap, to see what effect it may have on things.
Formation changes, well we've had a slight change off the ball to the 5 at the back, but you can't say we've floated with the ideas of a 3/5/2 with three midfielders etc
So it's a bit of a mix between statements which make both elements true |
But I think this highlights the lack of depth of analysis people are capable of, imo. We don't want changes, we need a settled XI. Oh no, actually we do need some changes. No, not THOSE changes!
What you're asking for is throwing everything up in the air even more while others are bemoaning a lack of consistency in our line up. People can't make their minds up, probably because managing a Premier League side is actually really challenging. | |
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