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'Appalling' season on 20:56 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
If you don't recall the goal and no wish to watch it back then I don't see why you're debating my view of the situation.
Regardless of watching it back the only person who’d be able to give you an answer is Omari - so if you ever get the chance maybe ask him and check his reaction to being called lazy and unprofessional - which is what you’ve done.
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'Appalling' season on 21:25 - Feb 25 with 1106 views
Regardless of watching it back the only person who’d be able to give you an answer is Omari - so if you ever get the chance maybe ask him and check his reaction to being called lazy and unprofessional - which is what you’ve done.
Twice you've said something I've not said.
If I ever met him and we were discussing football. Yes I'd happily ask him why he didnt move at that moment.
As we are on a forum however I'm discussing it with posters. Probably useful with those who know the incident in question however.
'Appalling' season on 21:25 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
Twice you've said something I've not said.
If I ever met him and we were discussing football. Yes I'd happily ask him why he didnt move at that moment.
As we are on a forum however I'm discussing it with posters. Probably useful with those who know the incident in question however.
Bloody hell Frimley. You really will try and weasel out of anything. Just own it man. You’ve called him out as ‘couldn’t be bothered’ same as can’t be arsed which is ultimately a direct calling out of a lack of professionalism….if you don’t understand that then you don’t understand what it is to be a professional.
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'Appalling' season on 21:33 - Feb 25 with 1070 views
You literally did say it. Semantics - ‘couldn’t be arsed’ means the same as ‘couldn’t be bothered’.
Your take on Hutch is also way off imo. There were 4 other players around Spence defending, and Hutch has another role to play - ready for a transition. Hutch’s defending and awareness of when to cover has improved massively through the season, and this wasn’t one - putting the third goal on him is completely misunderstanding role responsibility in that situation. Look more closely - when Spence receives the ball, there are 4 defenders very close to him, and Hutch is holding a higher position ready for a possibly transition.
So not literally then you mean figuratively.
I have looked at it closely a number of times. Hutch watches Spence move into a free space with no town player following him, hutch should have sensed that danger. You don't need to be worth 50 mill to think that.
Also. It's not blaming him for the third goal. There were phases before that where we could have defended better.
Bloody hell Frimley. You really will try and weasel out of anything. Just own it man. You’ve called him out as ‘couldn’t be bothered’ same as can’t be arsed which is ultimately a direct calling out of a lack of professionalism….if you don’t understand that then you don’t understand what it is to be a professional.
I am owning it. Would just prefer to discuss it with someone who actually remembers it and doesn't change the words of posters because they 'mean the same thing'
I'm not going back to stupid infighting. You either want to discuss the incident because you remember it or actually watched it back. I'm not discussing the overall professionalism of a player.
Anways. Trying really hard to not drag this on and fall back into habits. So you have your view I'll have mine. Thanks.
'Appalling' season on 21:33 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
So not literally then you mean figuratively.
I have looked at it closely a number of times. Hutch watches Spence move into a free space with no town player following him, hutch should have sensed that danger. You don't need to be worth 50 mill to think that.
Also. It's not blaming him for the third goal. There were phases before that where we could have defended better.
Ok so in your world ‘couldn’t be bothered’ doesn’t mean ‘couldn’t be arsed’ and isn’t ‘lazy’ and that you’re not calling his professionalism into question. Is that what you’re saying?
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'Appalling' season on 21:48 - Feb 25 with 995 views
'Appalling' season on 21:39 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
I am owning it. Would just prefer to discuss it with someone who actually remembers it and doesn't change the words of posters because they 'mean the same thing'
I'm not going back to stupid infighting. You either want to discuss the incident because you remember it or actually watched it back. I'm not discussing the overall professionalism of a player.
Anways. Trying really hard to not drag this on and fall back into habits. So you have your view I'll have mine. Thanks.
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Fair enough Frimley. I applaud your discipline in ducking out.
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'Appalling' season on 21:53 - Feb 25 with 957 views
'Appalling' season on 21:33 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
So not literally then you mean figuratively.
I have looked at it closely a number of times. Hutch watches Spence move into a free space with no town player following him, hutch should have sensed that danger. You don't need to be worth 50 mill to think that.
Also. It's not blaming him for the third goal. There were phases before that where we could have defended better.
Again, wrong. Figuratively usage is typically metaphorical.
In this context arsed is synonymous with bothered.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on what Hutch should have done at that point, but I have no doubt having watched it closely that there was plenty of cover leading up to the ball being played to Spence, and not his role to intercept at that point. Look to the 4 closer to Spence.
Absolutely, Howard Wilkinson described playing the Ipswich team of 94-95 like trying to push lumpy custard up a hill. And this was in an era of 4-4-2 stodge football. That's how bad we were.
Every game you turned up not thinking about a win or possibly a draw, but how many goals would the opposition score, would we even score a goal or have a corner. By the end of the season fans were singing let's pretend we've scored and celebrating just for the sheer hell of having something to cheer about
2001-02 wasn't exactly mich fun either, and 93-94 was pretty turgid too.
This season isn't anywhere near "appalling"
2001-2002 was better than this season. We were at least in the UEFA Cup, and had a run of seven league wins from eight.
Though we only won two games outside of that run.
ETA - We picked up 36 points in 2001/2002. That would be more than enough to survive this season.
Again, wrong. Figuratively usage is typically metaphorical.
In this context arsed is synonymous with bothered.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on what Hutch should have done at that point, but I have no doubt having watched it closely that there was plenty of cover leading up to the ball being played to Spence, and not his role to intercept at that point. Look to the 4 closer to Spence.
I honestly don't know what you're seeing.
Spence passes the ball to maddison then literally jogs past hutch ( there's no other town player facing Spence at that point as they are all trying to get maddison.
Defending against Son and de Bruyne should be bread and butter? Glad someone has finally chipped in with a dose of realism.
The problem is that the Premier League and Sky have made it impossible to compete with a squad valued less than £300m. PL players fight nail and tooth, cheat to safeguard their inflated wages. Fresh PL blood like us cannot adapt fast enough to the current level of an average PL side. Our forward line is generally young and inexperienced at this level. It has been fascinating to see our team trying to match the Man Cities and Liverpool's of this league. This has not been an appalling season, but a lesson of where we could be in a few years. We have been absent for 20 years and we have lost a lot of ground. Believe in KMc and MA.
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'Appalling' season on 22:24 - Feb 25 with 821 views
'Appalling' season on 22:04 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
I honestly don't know what you're seeing.
Spence passes the ball to maddison then literally jogs past hutch ( there's no other town player facing Spence at that point as they are all trying to get maddison.
2.07
This is the exact point that Maddison plays the ball to Spence.
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'Appalling' season on 22:26 - Feb 25 with 808 views
'Appalling' season on 22:04 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
I honestly don't know what you're seeing.
Spence passes the ball to maddison then literally jogs past hutch ( there's no other town player facing Spence at that point as they are all trying to get maddison.
2.07
At 2.02 Spence has more than 10 yards headstart on Hutchinson and is moving upfield. By 2.06 he is still at least 10 yards away from Hutchinson. If at that moment Hutchinson thinks "I know what, Spence is going to be left unmarked on the edge of the box with just Phillips to beat I had better race back and foul him to give away a penalty" he probably is too far away to do that.
At no point is he not bothering to run back with Spence. There are 5 other defensive players in position to defend against 2 Spurs players.
As it happens, Spence's shot clips (EDIT: Woolfenden not Taylor) as he goes to block the shot (something Hutchinson would never have been able to get in position to do) and that causes it to loop over Palmer.
Not wanting to pile on here so won't add anything else but you are being unrealistic with what you think Hutchinson could do there.
'Appalling' season on 22:04 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
I honestly don't know what you're seeing.
Spence passes the ball to maddison then literally jogs past hutch ( there's no other town player facing Spence at that point as they are all trying to get maddison.
2.07
He's probably thinking one of the 3 players trying to tackle Maddison will be successful and he (Omari) will be ready to be the outlet. Maddison does brilliantly (or our players do badly) but I don't think you can blame Omari for that.
Certainly not 'can't be arsed/bothered' though.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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'Appalling' season on 22:31 - Feb 25 with 789 views
At 2.02 Spence has more than 10 yards headstart on Hutchinson and is moving upfield. By 2.06 he is still at least 10 yards away from Hutchinson. If at that moment Hutchinson thinks "I know what, Spence is going to be left unmarked on the edge of the box with just Phillips to beat I had better race back and foul him to give away a penalty" he probably is too far away to do that.
At no point is he not bothering to run back with Spence. There are 5 other defensive players in position to defend against 2 Spurs players.
As it happens, Spence's shot clips (EDIT: Woolfenden not Taylor) as he goes to block the shot (something Hutchinson would never have been able to get in position to do) and that causes it to loop over Palmer.
Not wanting to pile on here so won't add anything else but you are being unrealistic with what you think Hutchinson could do there.
[Post edited 25 Feb 22:32]
Don't worry nth I don't see it as a pile on. I don't agree it's about 10 yards ahead of hutch and do think hutch can track that run but If maybe its OK to agree to disagree?
I do obviously agree about the overall defending from the others tho.
'Appalling' season on 20:38 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
I literally didn't say he couldn't be arsed and let him score.
I did however wonder why he couldn't be bothered to move across to stop a player being free in our box.
You call it poor defending. You say maybe an error.
So you tell me as I'm intrigued. What logical reason does a player have to let someone have a free jog into our box.
If there is one I'll say fine no drama.
But I don't personally see one other than not being bothered to move 5 yards when it mattered.
Come on now Frimmers, saying someone can't be bothered to move is the essentially the same as saying they can't be arsed.
As for why, sometimes runs aren't tracked, it happens. There were many blue shirts there and he may have thought the run was covered. You seem to post as if everyone is 100% perfect every time like a game of FM where every player gets a 10.
The reality of the situation is that is never the case and then fact you seem to expect it is one of the causes of issues because you get frustrated when it's not the case.
SB
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'Appalling' season on 22:39 - Feb 25 with 740 views
He's probably thinking one of the 3 players trying to tackle Maddison will be successful and he (Omari) will be ready to be the outlet. Maddison does brilliantly (or our players do badly) but I don't think you can blame Omari for that.
Certainly not 'can't be arsed/bothered' though.
Yeah probably right flash. Out of interest who do you think should have been the spence tracker.. not trying to blame game just curious who's role it may have been in that phase to kinda back away from madder and concentrate on spence. Philogene maybe?
'Appalling' season on 22:34 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
Appreciate you taking the time to do that. However I wasn't referring to that specific moment.
My sole point was the moment when spence was just in front of hutch. You've skipped forward.
I watched back and snapped the same still!
So your point was he didn’t track him. Not sure if it was a ‘can’t be bothered’ situation and I take the argument as well that he was perhaps positioned for a potential transition. My overall point was that I’ve not seen Omari as ‘can’t be bothered’ player and I still think that’s a bad take on your part and you’ve been abrasive and I have been too.
Wolves lost and Omari is a model pro.
Peace
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'Appalling' season on 22:46 - Feb 25 with 684 views
'Appalling' season on 22:38 - Feb 25 by StokieBlue
Come on now Frimmers, saying someone can't be bothered to move is the essentially the same as saying they can't be arsed.
As for why, sometimes runs aren't tracked, it happens. There were many blue shirts there and he may have thought the run was covered. You seem to post as if everyone is 100% perfect every time like a game of FM where every player gets a 10.
The reality of the situation is that is never the case and then fact you seem to expect it is one of the causes of issues because you get frustrated when it's not the case.
SB
Hey SB. It wasn't really a big annoyance to me. As I've seen it happen with others. The main reason I mentioned it was more about the financial side of the game as much has been said about the gap.. and an extra 30 mill would get you a hutch who stops that run over the one we've got. (, which btw the one we have is absolutely fine) I was just trying to make a point that basic defending shouldn't cost the earth.
I don't think I've explained that well at all though lol.
'Appalling' season on 22:46 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue
Hey SB. It wasn't really a big annoyance to me. As I've seen it happen with others. The main reason I mentioned it was more about the financial side of the game as much has been said about the gap.. and an extra 30 mill would get you a hutch who stops that run over the one we've got. (, which btw the one we have is absolutely fine) I was just trying to make a point that basic defending shouldn't cost the earth.
I don't think I've explained that well at all though lol.
Hey Frimmers.
I think that for AM it's quite hard to be both an attacking force and switched on defensively. I think if you can get one that is and that is very effective at both then it's going to cost an awful lot of money.
Just want you to be wary of expecting too much from our players, they aren't going to be perfect every part of every match.
SB
[Post edited 25 Feb 22:53]
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'Appalling' season on 22:56 - Feb 25 with 614 views
'Appalling' season on 22:50 - Feb 25 by StokieBlue
Hey Frimmers.
I think that for AM it's quite hard to be both an attacking force and switched on defensively. I think if you can get one that is and that is very effective at both then it's going to cost an awful lot of money.
Just want you to be wary of expecting too much from our players, they aren't going to be perfect every part of every match.
SB
[Post edited 25 Feb 22:53]
Cheers SB.
You may well be right. Another one for the 'keep a look out for' when watching motd :)
Funnily enough we talk about that. They did something on sky the other day about this new man city Rodri type replacement.. obv different role to what we are discussing but if you haven't seen it I'd implore you to take a look it was really fascinating how the fella reads the game like a chess game.
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