| 'Appalling' season on 13:21 - Feb 25 with 1286 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 'Appalling' season on 12:57 - Feb 25 by stonojnr |
Absolutely, Howard Wilkinson described playing the Ipswich team of 94-95 like trying to push lumpy custard up a hill. And this was in an era of 4-4-2 stodge football. That's how bad we were.
Every game you turned up not thinking about a win or possibly a draw, but how many goals would the opposition score, would we even score a goal or have a corner. By the end of the season fans were singing let's pretend we've scored and celebrating just for the sheer hell of having something to cheer about
2001-02 wasn't exactly mich fun either, and 93-94 was pretty turgid too.
This season isn't anywhere near "appalling" |
01/02 wasn't great results-wise, especially after the previous season overachievement, but a cold night at Portman Road in November and a winner from Alan Armstrong against Inter Milan will always help rate the season reasonably well.
We also had some decent players that season, and attractive football at times - it was the start of a decline, but not such a terribly season compared to many others. |  | |  |
| 'Appalling' season on 14:18 - Feb 25 with 1207 views | Vic |
For us as town fans it's been great to see us battling and mostly competitive with long established Prem teams. We know where we were and where we are and are grateful fo it.
But when you look at the stats it has to be OK to ask some questions. We didn't start well and then tail off - as some promoted teams have done. We have struggled from the off (no shame in that) but as the article points out, we haven't improved or developed a pattern of play that makes us hard to beat. To that extent it's been disappointing and i'm sure that KM will be really frustrated and disappointed.
I wonder if this might just be for our good? - Will it ask questions of clubs who might otherwise have come in for him in the summer? He's been in the Prem and tactically (his strongest point) he's been found wanting this season. This doesn't make him a bad manager but it might just show that he's not quite ready to be the obvious choice of candidate for a Prem vacancy that we though he would be a few months ago. He's still learning and i'd love it if he did that learning with us. |  |
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| 'Appalling' season on 14:28 - Feb 25 with 1188 views | cressi |
| 'Appalling' season on 09:07 - Feb 25 by Deano69 |
Mid table in league one 4 years ago?
There are many more. |
Yea but we have since spent 140 million luton spent 10 millon and last season finished with 8 points more than we have at present one home win all season has been a disaster to be honest to many excuses. All clubs have injuries and suspensions we have recruited appallingly started with Muric and Johnson and there are more. | | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 14:33 - Feb 25 with 1182 views | cressi |
| 'Appalling' season on 13:17 - Feb 25 by RadioOrwell |
This team would easily beat pretty much every team since 2000 including that team. |
Really the team who came 5th in the Premiership but the next season like McKenna got their recruitment wrong. | | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 14:40 - Feb 25 with 1153 views | positivity |
| 'Appalling' season on 14:28 - Feb 25 by cressi |
Yea but we have since spent 140 million luton spent 10 millon and last season finished with 8 points more than we have at present one home win all season has been a disaster to be honest to many excuses. All clubs have injuries and suspensions we have recruited appallingly started with Muric and Johnson and there are more. |
luton's lack of spending isn't exactly a good model to follow. there's a reason why they're now down in 44th!
we certainly haven't recruited "appallingly", what a flounce! | |
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| 'Appalling' season on 14:40 - Feb 25 with 1152 views | Steve_M |
| 'Appalling' season on 13:17 - Feb 25 by RadioOrwell |
This team would easily beat pretty much every team since 2000 including that team. |
I think that likely includes last season's promotion team too. |  |
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| 'Appalling' season on 15:19 - Feb 25 with 1093 views | ross1999 |
Personally speaking this season has been exactly what I expected. It was always going to be a struggle but there has not been a match I haven't been excited about. Yeah, the Liverpool's/Man City's were always going to be extremely unlikely to get anything from but there have been very few games I have not had some hope. There have been some excellent performances, even though the results may not have been kind, from a squad that two seasons ago were in the First Division. Things have been disappointing lately (Southampton) but from the teams that have more recently been in the Premier League, Ipswich are presently performing better than them. It's not over yet but I can see Wolves picking up now but that hope is still there and will be until it is mathematically impossible.
Whatever happens this season it should not take anything away from the teams achievements to be competing (closely) with teams that are established within the Premier League. There have been a few games that if it wasn't for some silly errors or dodgy refereeing decisions that things could have been different.
It is still a good time to be an Ipswich fan and if things continue the way they have for the last couple of years it should be for some time :-) | | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 15:28 - Feb 25 with 1062 views | BlueBadger |
| 'Appalling' season on 07:40 - Feb 25 by ibbleobble |
It has been a terrible season, there’s no dressing it up. The clamour around it being a good squad is a non-sensical argument if it doesn’t deliver at this level. Who cares if it’s good for the Championship, we’re not in the Championship!?
I think what we all find bewildering is that we’re still making the same mistakes that we were earlier in the season. Davis’s marking of Johnson for the first goal on Saturday being the prime example. We’re told how much attention to detail the team have in training yet for Johnson’s second he’d pulled off, Davis was overloaded and he had so much space and time it was bizarre. Look at what De Bruyne did to us with inside runs and then what Son did to us when attacking the box. It’s really poor all around and should be bread and butter to defend against.
IMO and an unpopular one, KM has been poor too often this season and should start coming under the microscope at this level soon because, as the article states, for £140m investment, there needs to be a better return.
United is a must win tomorrow. If Wolves win tonight, we’re 8 adrift and for all the noise about “we are where we should be”, we won’t be if results go against us. At least, please, try and keep a clean sheet at Old Trafford! |
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| 'Appalling' season on 15:41 - Feb 25 with 1027 views | ibbleobble |
| 'Appalling' season on 08:48 - Feb 25 by homer_123 |
" It’s an objective view..."
It's patently not though - as within your OP you state defending against the likes of De Bruyne and Son should be bread and butter - those two views don't chime fella.
If we 'objectively' look at the Spurs game and Son, for example. We absolutely could and should have defended better both individually and collectively. However, the flip of this also is that Son is a world class player and our defenders are simply not at that level - so, as good as we can be individually and collectively, we have to accept that De Bruyne, Son, Salah etc. will cause us problems.
That's the objective view - not to state that defending against world class players should be bread and butter for a team that's only spent £140m on it's entire team since back to back promotions. |
Why don't they chime fella? The way we defended against Son and De Bruyne should have been "bread and butter". Here's the reason why, which is objective criticism:
Son had far too much room on the right hand side and was allowed to attack and get into our box with impunity. That has nothing to do with being World Class as he did very little to merit that, it was far too easy when the threat could have been nullified way out side the 18-year box and even before his pull back(s).
De Bruyne similarly. Ghosting from midfield like that when we were set-up to prevent it, only for him to get in behind for a pull back with 5 defenders missing it unable to track his run or pick Foden. It was incredibly poor.
So, for the level of investment and the time we've had with the players, we should be expecting better. The idea that the runs are World Class runs has merit in De Bruyne's case but as Vic has just posted, we should be asking questions when these players who carry threat are allowed to get to the by line and pull balls back with ease without them being cut out. That's basic defending.
Ageing World Class players or not, basic defending at this level should be the bare minimum we expect from that level of investment. 1 clean sheet this season tells its own story. [Post edited 25 Feb 16:00]
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| 'Appalling' season on 15:45 - Feb 25 with 1009 views | ibbleobble |
| 'Appalling' season on 14:18 - Feb 25 by Vic |
For us as town fans it's been great to see us battling and mostly competitive with long established Prem teams. We know where we were and where we are and are grateful fo it.
But when you look at the stats it has to be OK to ask some questions. We didn't start well and then tail off - as some promoted teams have done. We have struggled from the off (no shame in that) but as the article points out, we haven't improved or developed a pattern of play that makes us hard to beat. To that extent it's been disappointing and i'm sure that KM will be really frustrated and disappointed.
I wonder if this might just be for our good? - Will it ask questions of clubs who might otherwise have come in for him in the summer? He's been in the Prem and tactically (his strongest point) he's been found wanting this season. This doesn't make him a bad manager but it might just show that he's not quite ready to be the obvious choice of candidate for a Prem vacancy that we though he would be a few months ago. He's still learning and i'd love it if he did that learning with us. |
This is bang on. You articulated it better, which is why you have an uppie and i have -11 and counting but the heart of the post is similar.
I think you're right in what you're alluding to. Km is still a young and inexperienced manager. Despite all his brilliance, he has managed at the level nor does he have the years behind him that all most all ahead of him in the PL have. Has he made mistakes? Yes, and that's fine. Has he made repeated mistakes? Yes, that's fine too but that does start to erode credit. The longer it persists, the more that credit erodes.
If we go down and are mid table come December, where will that credit be then? | | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 15:47 - Feb 25 with 994 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 'Appalling' season on 15:41 - Feb 25 by ibbleobble |
Why don't they chime fella? The way we defended against Son and De Bruyne should have been "bread and butter". Here's the reason why, which is objective criticism:
Son had far too much room on the right hand side and was allowed to attack and get into our box with impunity. That has nothing to do with being World Class as he did very little to merit that, it was far too easy when the threat could have been nullified way out side the 18-year box and even before his pull back(s).
De Bruyne similarly. Ghosting from midfield like that when we were set-up to prevent it, only for him to get in behind for a pull back with 5 defenders missing it unable to track his run or pick Foden. It was incredibly poor.
So, for the level of investment and the time we've had with the players, we should be expecting better. The idea that the runs are World Class runs has merit in De Bruyne's case but as Vic has just posted, we should be asking questions when these players who carry threat are allowed to get to the by line and pull balls back with ease without them being cut out. That's basic defending.
Ageing World Class players or not, basic defending at this level should be the bare minimum we expect from that level of investment. 1 clean sheet this season tells its own story. [Post edited 25 Feb 16:00]
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This is why I asked yesterday does common sense really cost another 30 million
Looking back at the spurs 3rd goal. Hutchinson literally watches Spence skip in front of him into the box. It should not require 30 million ontop of the 20 mill we purchased him for to think that's a danger I should stop that.
Yes there is a big gap financially between sides. But come on if you've spent 180 million to make your side competitive and your players can't be bothered to move 3 yards to stop a player from being a goal scorer. You've got serious problems. |  |
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| 'Appalling' season on 17:48 - Feb 25 with 912 views | Blue_Heath |
| 'Appalling' season on 06:41 - Feb 25 by peterleeblue |
can assure you 94 95 was much worse. |
It wasn't we won more games! | | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 17:49 - Feb 25 with 912 views | Blue_Heath |
| 'Appalling' season on 06:56 - Feb 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You did, and your take was and still is as awful as this clickbaity/troll-y article.
You sound like you've only been supporting Ipswich a handful of years. There are several worse seasons in our history. |
At end of the season show me 'several' worse points tallies please, happy to discuss then. | | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 17:51 - Feb 25 with 909 views | Blue_Heath |
| 'Appalling' season on 07:48 - Feb 25 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
1994/95 (although we may finish with fewer points this season)
2001/02
2009/10
2010/11
2011/12
2012/13
2016/17
2018/19
2019/20
2020/21
2021/22
All come to mind. |
So if the points tally is lower it's a worse season is it not? | | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 18:01 - Feb 25 with 868 views | MK1 |
| 'Appalling' season on 06:24 - Feb 25 by Blue_Heath |
I posted something along a similar vein but not so damning a weeks back and people didn't like it.
Can someone tell me a worse season please because there is now way of dressing it up, it's been horrible. |
We just don't like you. |  |
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| 'Appalling' season on 18:15 - Feb 25 with 834 views | Horsham |
| 'Appalling' season on 15:47 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue |
This is why I asked yesterday does common sense really cost another 30 million
Looking back at the spurs 3rd goal. Hutchinson literally watches Spence skip in front of him into the box. It should not require 30 million ontop of the 20 mill we purchased him for to think that's a danger I should stop that.
Yes there is a big gap financially between sides. But come on if you've spent 180 million to make your side competitive and your players can't be bothered to move 3 yards to stop a player from being a goal scorer. You've got serious problems. |
Do you seriously believe Omari couldn’t be bothered to move 3 yards to stop a goal. That’s a pretty damning statement.
Whatever else I’ve thought this season I don’t think there’s been an issue with effort. |  | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 18:30 - Feb 25 with 798 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 'Appalling' season on 18:15 - Feb 25 by Horsham |
Do you seriously believe Omari couldn’t be bothered to move 3 yards to stop a goal. That’s a pretty damning statement.
Whatever else I’ve thought this season I don’t think there’s been an issue with effort. |
Was there an invisible player standing in his way then? | |
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| 'Appalling' season on 18:34 - Feb 25 with 795 views | TractorWood |
| 'Appalling' season on 06:53 - Feb 25 by homer_123 |
A more recent example for you is when we gave up in the Championship and were relegated to L1 with barely a whimper.
That was appalling. Truly horrible in our completely abject approach to staying up. The football was awful, the management were awful...the Club was dying (died actually).
This season, we've been competitive but yes, struggled at times. But the squad is good even if relegation happens, the Club is healthy and one thing for sure under KM. We won't stop trying to stay up.
Appalling, no. |
Mostly agree.
I would just challenge whether we've struggled more than we've been competitive. We've often not shown up at key games that were great chances for wins. Like:
- We were lucky to scrape a draw away at Soton
- West Ham were on a terrible run when they battered us
- We didn't get a kick vs Everton when Dyche was under pressure
- Didn't show up again vs Palace at home
- Didn't lay a glove on Brighton at home
- Soton at home was a ship sinker
Sure we've pulled some great draws out of the bag and beat Spurs away but most newly promoted teams do throw out the odd surprise through being unfamiliar, desire and perhaps players trying to make names for themselves.
Asking questions about the use of funds and our failings this season are pretty reasonable imo. McKenna has overall, recruited poorly imo. To spend £150m+ on decent championship players to then say 'at least we'll go straight up again' is basically lunacy to me. [Post edited 25 Feb 18:36]
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| 'Appalling' season on 20:31 - Feb 25 with 725 views | Horsham |
| 'Appalling' season on 18:30 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Was there an invisible player standing in his way then? |
I can buy it’s poor defending. I can buy it’s an error. I can’t buy he couldn’t be arsed.
You’re literally saying his thought process was - ah sod it I can’t be arsed I’ll let them score. Pretty much unforgivable if true and probably the biggest insult you can level at a professional. | | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 20:38 - Feb 25 with 693 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 'Appalling' season on 20:31 - Feb 25 by Horsham |
I can buy it’s poor defending. I can buy it’s an error. I can’t buy he couldn’t be arsed.
You’re literally saying his thought process was - ah sod it I can’t be arsed I’ll let them score. Pretty much unforgivable if true and probably the biggest insult you can level at a professional. |
I literally didn't say he couldn't be arsed and let him score.
I did however wonder why he couldn't be bothered to move across to stop a player being free in our box.
You call it poor defending. You say maybe an error.
So you tell me as I'm intrigued. What logical reason does a player have to let someone have a free jog into our box.
If there is one I'll say fine no drama.
But I don't personally see one other than not being bothered to move 5 yards when it mattered. | |
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| 'Appalling' season on 20:45 - Feb 25 with 679 views | bazza |
| 'Appalling' season on 06:24 - Feb 25 by Blue_Heath |
I posted something along a similar vein but not so damning a weeks back and people didn't like it.
Can someone tell me a worse season please because there is now way of dressing it up, it's been horrible. |
Dry your eyes mate. |  | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 20:46 - Feb 25 with 677 views | Horsham |
| 'Appalling' season on 20:38 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue |
I literally didn't say he couldn't be arsed and let him score.
I did however wonder why he couldn't be bothered to move across to stop a player being free in our box.
You call it poor defending. You say maybe an error.
So you tell me as I'm intrigued. What logical reason does a player have to let someone have a free jog into our box.
If there is one I'll say fine no drama.
But I don't personally see one other than not being bothered to move 5 yards when it mattered. |
I changed the word bothered to arsed. They mean the same so my argument about what you’re accusing him of stands. I can’t recall the detail of the goal - and I can’t be arsed to watch it back to enrich the debate, so I’m not going to sway your opinion one way or the other but I’ve watched Omari play for us a lot and sometimes I’ve thought he’s made bad decisions, sometimes he’s not been strong enough but I’ve never once thought he can’t be bothered. | | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 20:46 - Feb 25 with 678 views | braveblue |
| 'Appalling' season on 06:24 - Feb 25 by Blue_Heath |
I posted something along a similar vein but not so damning a weeks back and people didn't like it.
Can someone tell me a worse season please because there is now way of dressing it up, it's been horrible. |
Presume you haven’t been watching for long? | | | |
| 'Appalling' season on 20:56 - Feb 25 with 632 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 'Appalling' season on 20:46 - Feb 25 by Horsham |
I changed the word bothered to arsed. They mean the same so my argument about what you’re accusing him of stands. I can’t recall the detail of the goal - and I can’t be arsed to watch it back to enrich the debate, so I’m not going to sway your opinion one way or the other but I’ve watched Omari play for us a lot and sometimes I’ve thought he’s made bad decisions, sometimes he’s not been strong enough but I’ve never once thought he can’t be bothered. |
If you don't recall the goal and no wish to watch it back then I don't see why you're debating my view of the situation. | |
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| 'Appalling' season on 21:04 - Feb 25 with 610 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 'Appalling' season on 20:38 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue |
I literally didn't say he couldn't be arsed and let him score.
I did however wonder why he couldn't be bothered to move across to stop a player being free in our box.
You call it poor defending. You say maybe an error.
So you tell me as I'm intrigued. What logical reason does a player have to let someone have a free jog into our box.
If there is one I'll say fine no drama.
But I don't personally see one other than not being bothered to move 5 yards when it mattered. |
You literally did say it. Semantics - ‘couldn’t be arsed’ means the same as ‘couldn’t be bothered’.
Your take on Hutch is also way off imo. There were 4 other players around Spence defending, and Hutch has another role to play - ready for a transition. Hutch’s defending and awareness of when to cover has improved massively through the season, and this wasn’t one - putting the third goal on him is completely misunderstanding role responsibility in that situation. Look more closely - when Spence receives the ball, there are 4 defenders very close to him, and Hutch is holding a higher position ready for a possibly transition. | | | |
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