| McKenna's approach this season... 09:16 - Feb 27 with 2906 views | GreenEye |
...seems very different to last season where he made bigger tactical changes at 65-70 minutes in most games. Strange that he's not done similar this season.
Let's also remember that we were very leaky last season but scored a lot. PL teams have a better defence and ours needed more improvement. Roy H started with the defence at Fulham & Palace. The PL quality gap doesn't explain or excuse many of our slips this season.
I remain confident that this group has the ability to turn things around. Time will tell.
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:20 - Feb 27 with 2559 views | Herbivore |
We didn't often make big tactical changes, minor tweaks usually, but bringing on like for like quality to freshen us up. Too often this season we've not had that quality on the bench to call on. |  |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:24 - Feb 27 with 2507 views | textbackup |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:20 - Feb 27 by Herbivore |
We didn't often make big tactical changes, minor tweaks usually, but bringing on like for like quality to freshen us up. Too often this season we've not had that quality on the bench to call on. |
Lastnight we had Burgess on the bench (I think) him not plying, when they have HM attacking corners, is a really strange decision from the management team.
Burgess is just as good as Greaves in every aspect IMO |  |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:25 - Feb 27 with 2500 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
Our second-half performances this season have been rubbish. If you take 3 of the 4 last games, we have played poorly after halftime and ended up being beaten without our opposition having to do very much. I think the lack of urgency and the "sticking to our game" even when we have to get an equalizer like last night, or Southampton, and instead of really pushing for it, playing sideways football and pit-patting it around the back with no creativity, is on the manager. |  |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:26 - Feb 27 with 2500 views | TractorJack |
What examples do you have of big tactical changes last year? We basically just swapped the forward line most games. The difference is they had the quality at that level to make an impact. |  | | |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:27 - Feb 27 with 2487 views | Herbivore |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:24 - Feb 27 by textbackup |
Lastnight we had Burgess on the bench (I think) him not plying, when they have HM attacking corners, is a really strange decision from the management team.
Burgess is just as good as Greaves in every aspect IMO |
I don't think there's much to choose from between Burgess and Greaves, although I think Greaves has a higher ceiling as a player. Most managers, not just McKenna, don't like to change their CB pairing often. Our defensive set piece record was very good prior to last night, one of the best in the league, so there's a lot of hindsight bias in saying that it was madness not to start Burgess. We've defended set pieces well without him in the side this season. | |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:30 - Feb 27 with 2452 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
The difference is that this season, our bench players usually represent a big drop in quality from the players who start. |  |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:31 - Feb 27 with 2434 views | textbackup |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:27 - Feb 27 by Herbivore |
I don't think there's much to choose from between Burgess and Greaves, although I think Greaves has a higher ceiling as a player. Most managers, not just McKenna, don't like to change their CB pairing often. Our defensive set piece record was very good prior to last night, one of the best in the league, so there's a lot of hindsight bias in saying that it was madness not to start Burgess. We've defended set pieces well without him in the side this season. |
True.
Greaves having a higher ceiling shouldn’t really be a factor of who plays IMO. Also, Greaves is a bit of a ponce, rolling about holding his face/head. Rather my defenders to be blood and guts | |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:33 - Feb 27 with 2408 views | GreenEye |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:26 - Feb 27 by TractorJack |
What examples do you have of big tactical changes last year? We basically just swapped the forward line most games. The difference is they had the quality at that level to make an impact. |
OK delete the word "tactical" or change to "impact" | | | |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:35 - Feb 27 with 2382 views | Herbivore |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:33 - Feb 27 by GreenEye |
OK delete the word "tactical" or change to "impact" |
The players coming on are having less of an impact because they aren't as good relative to the level we're playing at. That's been further hampered by constant injuries limiting our bench options. | |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:39 - Feb 27 with 2357 views | Garv |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:30 - Feb 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The difference is that this season, our bench players usually represent a big drop in quality from the players who start. |
Not sure that's totally true. At the moment in fact some of those starting should be on the bench anyway - Philogene and Clarke are fortunate to be starting and Broadhead is getting splinters when he's been one of our best players since December. |  |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:43 - Feb 27 with 2332 views | GreenEye |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:35 - Feb 27 by Herbivore |
The players coming on are having less of an impact because they aren't as good relative to the level we're playing at. That's been further hampered by constant injuries limiting our bench options. |
Fair point but he's used the entire squad this season so everyone's started at some point and a different player will create a different challenge for a defence. Also fresher legs at 70 minutes gives a better chance than at 80.
Aside from injury protecting a lead, I've never been a fan of the value of changing players at 80 minutes.
Anyway, coffee break over and back on the M40 for the last leg home. | | | |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:45 - Feb 27 with 2312 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:39 - Feb 27 by Garv |
Not sure that's totally true. At the moment in fact some of those starting should be on the bench anyway - Philogene and Clarke are fortunate to be starting and Broadhead is getting splinters when he's been one of our best players since December. |
I do feel that some of last seasons players do get unfairly overlooked. | |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 10:23 - Feb 27 with 2173 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:31 - Feb 27 by textbackup |
True.
Greaves having a higher ceiling shouldn’t really be a factor of who plays IMO. Also, Greaves is a bit of a ponce, rolling about holding his face/head. Rather my defenders to be blood and guts |
He does like to roll around, and seems more prone to a mistake than Burgess.
Last season were clearly weakened defensively when Burgess was missing. I think its been a mistake not to play him more often. | |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 10:30 - Feb 27 with 2129 views | Ryorry |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:24 - Feb 27 by textbackup |
Lastnight we had Burgess on the bench (I think) him not plying, when they have HM attacking corners, is a really strange decision from the management team.
Burgess is just as good as Greaves in every aspect IMO |
Burgess wasn’t on the bench last night.
We’ve been a better team when he’s played, I just don’t understand why he’s not been picked more often. |  |
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 10:31 - Feb 27 with 2129 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
It was around this time last year that McKenna made four changes on the hour mark against Bristol City, and that was a big factor in us turning the game around. I know there are lots of factors at play but last night needed us to be similarly bold, and we went the other way. | | | |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 11:47 - Feb 27 with 1971 views | Garv |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 09:45 - Feb 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I do feel that some of last seasons players do get unfairly overlooked. |
Broadhead and Burgess are the two, and that's not said with any kind of hindsight. The former seemed to brimming with confidence even as recently as the Coventry game, he's looked almost better in the PL than in the Champ, he's just lacked a goal. Really confusing that he hasn't kept the starting spot he had over Christmas/New Year.
Woolfy is more in the unlucky camp I think, as he's not done much wrong but O'Shea is just better than him. When we've gone to a 5 LW has proved his worth. [Post edited 27 Feb 11:48]
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 11:57 - Feb 27 with 1882 views | bluelady |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 11:47 - Feb 27 by Garv |
Broadhead and Burgess are the two, and that's not said with any kind of hindsight. The former seemed to brimming with confidence even as recently as the Coventry game, he's looked almost better in the PL than in the Champ, he's just lacked a goal. Really confusing that he hasn't kept the starting spot he had over Christmas/New Year.
Woolfy is more in the unlucky camp I think, as he's not done much wrong but O'Shea is just better than him. When we've gone to a 5 LW has proved his worth. [Post edited 27 Feb 11:48]
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but then Broadhead offered little last night (i am a fan btw) and maybe its a confidence thing at not starting because i agree he was longer strong and for me offered more than Clarke who is getting better but still lightweight.
i think the issue is we always look for a reason - oh if we played Burgess we would be better, then when Burgess starts and we still lose Greaves becomes the reason we didn't win - this season its a multitude of reasons but the main one being we simply are not good enough/ready for the premiership and we bought a load of very good higher end championship attacking players who have not made the step...... yes we spent 100M plus but we are playing individuals that cost that! |  | | |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 12:27 - Feb 27 with 1808 views | mellowblue |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 11:57 - Feb 27 by bluelady |
but then Broadhead offered little last night (i am a fan btw) and maybe its a confidence thing at not starting because i agree he was longer strong and for me offered more than Clarke who is getting better but still lightweight.
i think the issue is we always look for a reason - oh if we played Burgess we would be better, then when Burgess starts and we still lose Greaves becomes the reason we didn't win - this season its a multitude of reasons but the main one being we simply are not good enough/ready for the premiership and we bought a load of very good higher end championship attacking players who have not made the step...... yes we spent 100M plus but we are playing individuals that cost that! |
I would not criticise Broadhead based on last night. Against a ;ow defensive block with screening players, there was no space to exploit anywhere. And he is a guy who likes to play between the lines. | | | |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 12:32 - Feb 27 with 1789 views | itfc1108 |
I remember Ashton saying McKenna would be the most important signing of the season, when he signed his new contract.
I think if he was a player, and on that salary, very serious questions would be being asked of both.
I understand the credit in the bank argument, but surely Sam Morsy has that too and fans seem very eager to cast him aside now. [Post edited 27 Feb 12:33]
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 12:45 - Feb 27 with 1726 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 12:32 - Feb 27 by itfc1108 |
I remember Ashton saying McKenna would be the most important signing of the season, when he signed his new contract.
I think if he was a player, and on that salary, very serious questions would be being asked of both.
I understand the credit in the bank argument, but surely Sam Morsy has that too and fans seem very eager to cast him aside now. [Post edited 27 Feb 12:33]
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Problem is McK has shown little in the Prem so far and looks outclassed week in week out by all other managers. He had a perfect chance to get a win in the second half yesterday but did nothing. No change in tactics until it was too late. Brought on Johnson before Szmodics came on in injury time! Did nothing to stop us playing tippy-tappy in our own half vs 10 men. The way the team went about the second half, we’d have lost even if ManUre were reduced to 8.
No one is asking questions of him atm because many people still think he is the God and Messiah and will condemn the person asking questions to the crimes of lese majeste and blasphemy.
The buck stops with him and Ashton, if we go down they better man up and admit their shortcomings. [Post edited 27 Feb 12:55]
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| McKenna's approach this season... on 13:00 - Feb 27 with 1649 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Interesting post, lots of valid point to consider.
One thing that has struck my mind is that last season, KMcK's team were running through brick walls for the manager. Lots of talk of trusting the process, and I imagine the success came because the team.mostly did believe, and more importantly, delivered.
I think there are a few mitigating factors this season - plenty of new players who, no doubt respect the manager, but haven't 'run through walls' for him and seen the benefits In real time. Many post match interviews this half of the season, I've heard KMcK saying along the lines of "we knew we needed to do xyz, but we didn't and it cost us'. Disrupting that togetherness with half a squad of new, albeit talented players, was always going to bring that risk.
Also, this is a young, talented manager who is inexperienced in the best league in the world, working with a lot of young, inexperienced players who have little Premier League experience. It's entirely different, and I think the reason a lot of fans are so angry, shouty and taking pot shots at each other after losing to Man Utd, Spurs, etc, is that they didn't manage their expectations very well for the season. |  | | |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 15:42 - Feb 27 with 1461 views | bluelady |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 12:27 - Feb 27 by mellowblue |
I would not criticise Broadhead based on last night. Against a ;ow defensive block with screening players, there was no space to exploit anywhere. And he is a guy who likes to play between the lines. |
yeah i know and as i said i am a big fan i think he is a quality player, but like all out other subs made zero difference last night.... no crosses were going into the box and when they did no one on the end. yesterday was a team/manager/tactic failure and the emphasis my point if Burgess played would the score have been any different i hardly think so! | | | |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 15:50 - Feb 27 with 1436 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 15:42 - Feb 27 by bluelady |
yeah i know and as i said i am a big fan i think he is a quality player, but like all out other subs made zero difference last night.... no crosses were going into the box and when they did no one on the end. yesterday was a team/manager/tactic failure and the emphasis my point if Burgess played would the score have been any different i hardly think so! |
We have always struggled against a low block, even against teams like Lincoln and Cheltenham so I wasn't surprised that we couldn't score after ManUre went ahead.
What was infuriating was how the team went about chasing the game vs 10 men and I agree with you McK has to take the blame last night. Zero tactical nous. Only played 2 up front when and made attacking subs when it was too late. For the majority of the 2nd half we were just fannying around in our own half.
Taylor stating that they will not change the way they play just smacks of total delusion in hindsight. Guess McK now knows he can't paper over cracks anymore after his post-match interview last night. Gone were the usual "trusting the process" bs and remarks on how players were trying and improving. The performance, like that of Everton (H), Palace (H), Brighton (H 2nd half), Southampton (H+A) was inexcusable. People don't criticise for the sake of criticising. McK should take a real good look at his team and his own tactics before the next match. | | | |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 16:19 - Feb 27 with 1366 views | cressi |
Never been any different like for like one way of playing and 90% of substitutions are between 62 and 70 minutes. | | | |
| McKenna's approach this season... on 17:38 - Feb 27 with 1265 views | TractorWood |
He never made tactical changes last season. He very rarely makes anything bar like for like substitutions.
You think this group will turn this around? Seriously? |  |
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