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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) 13:59 - Feb 28 with 4273 viewsPhilTWTD

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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:46 - Feb 28 with 1262 viewsTrequartista

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:41 - Feb 28 by Linners

He probably could, but presumably the concern is that he then suffers a worse problem and misses months. I doubt it's just because he's a bit of a weed.


Well quite, so why did he continue at Old Trafford, for the same reasons?

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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:47 - Feb 28 with 1270 viewsbsw72

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:42 - Feb 28 by Trequartista

I can see the argument for if there were 10/15 mins left compared to being selected from the start, but this was half a game with plenty of bench options.


Yeah - whatever, I'm not going to try and reason with you as you seem to be keen on finding fault with either the player or the medical staff.

Not sure you understand how a contusion injury can present itself in the period after initial impact.
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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:48 - Feb 28 with 1252 viewstonybied

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:43 - Feb 28 by Trequartista

Are you being serious if you think he should play through pain for 45 minutes but not for 90 minutes? Why not sub him off for 100% fit options?


He didn't play through the pain for 45 minutes, he played for about 20 minutes after halftime and couldn't "run it off", so was subbed! Why on earth would we risk further injury by asking him to play through the pain?
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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:49 - Feb 28 with 1233 viewsBarcaBlue

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:43 - Feb 28 by Trequartista

Are you being serious if you think he should play through pain for 45 minutes but not for 90 minutes? Why not sub him off for 100% fit options?


He couldn't carry on and was subbed off midway through the second half. It's common to see players think they can shake off an injury, not very common since the 1970s for a player to have been medically checked and not given time to recover.
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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:49 - Feb 28 with 1226 viewsTrequartista

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:47 - Feb 28 by bsw72

Yeah - whatever, I'm not going to try and reason with you as you seem to be keen on finding fault with either the player or the medical staff.

Not sure you understand how a contusion injury can present itself in the period after initial impact.


I'm arguing in good faith. I don't completely understand about injuries, hence my first sentence was "Difficult to understand". I don't know what contusion means to be honest.
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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:52 - Feb 28 with 1192 viewsSomethingBlue

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:43 - Feb 28 by Trequartista

Are you being serious if you think he should play through pain for 45 minutes but not for 90 minutes? Why not sub him off for 100% fit options?


Extent of an issue not always clear during a game, as you probably know really.

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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:52 - Feb 28 with 1187 viewsTrequartista

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:48 - Feb 28 by tonybied

He didn't play through the pain for 45 minutes, he played for about 20 minutes after halftime and couldn't "run it off", so was subbed! Why on earth would we risk further injury by asking him to play through the pain?


OK fair enough he was sent back out with 45 minutes to play. I don't want him to play through the pain with 90 minutes to play for the same reason i don't want him to play through the pain with 45 minutes to play. If it's serious enough to miss multiple games, why is he trying to "run it off" ?

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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:55 - Feb 28 with 1177 viewsTrequartista

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:52 - Feb 28 by SomethingBlue

Extent of an issue not always clear during a game, as you probably know really.


I do know that to some extent, but not an expert in injuries. But having seen the tackle, surely there was always a high risk it would be an injury he shouldn't be playing on with? Why are we risking it?

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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:57 - Feb 28 with 1140 viewsNedPlimpton

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:52 - Feb 28 by Trequartista

OK fair enough he was sent back out with 45 minutes to play. I don't want him to play through the pain with 90 minutes to play for the same reason i don't want him to play through the pain with 45 minutes to play. If it's serious enough to miss multiple games, why is he trying to "run it off" ?


I'm guessing you don't do much exercise?
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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:59 - Feb 28 with 1120 viewsTrequartista

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:57 - Feb 28 by NedPlimpton

I'm guessing you don't do much exercise?


What? I think i'll come back when people are not so tetchy.

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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 15:00 - Feb 28 with 1112 viewsDanTheMan

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:57 - Feb 28 by NedPlimpton

I'm guessing you don't do much exercise?


When I first started running, I really quickly ramped up my distance from doing really not all that much to doing 10k at a decent(ish) pace.

The first time I did it I thought it was odd my hip was a bit tight, so I ignored it.

The second time I did it, my hip completely gave in to the point I could barely walk.

That was a fun recovery.

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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 15:00 - Feb 28 with 1109 viewstonybied

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:52 - Feb 28 by Trequartista

OK fair enough he was sent back out with 45 minutes to play. I don't want him to play through the pain with 90 minutes to play for the same reason i don't want him to play through the pain with 45 minutes to play. If it's serious enough to miss multiple games, why is he trying to "run it off" ?


Have you never suffered an injury yourself? Sometimes you think/hope an injury is not too serious, you get the injured limb moving for 10-15 minutes the pain eases and you can play on. Sometimes that just doesn't work and the pain doesn't subside because the damage is slightly more than just a bit of bruising, or jarring to a joint. Quite often when the injury is not serious you don't really know the answer to that until you run around a bit.
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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 15:01 - Feb 28 with 1096 viewsNedPlimpton

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 15:00 - Feb 28 by DanTheMan

When I first started running, I really quickly ramped up my distance from doing really not all that much to doing 10k at a decent(ish) pace.

The first time I did it I thought it was odd my hip was a bit tight, so I ignored it.

The second time I did it, my hip completely gave in to the point I could barely walk.

That was a fun recovery.


Exactly my point

It's pretty easy to run through what you think is a small injury or niggle, without realising the damage that has actually been done until later on
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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 15:02 - Feb 28 with 1086 viewsBarcaBlue

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:55 - Feb 28 by Trequartista

I do know that to some extent, but not an expert in injuries. But having seen the tackle, surely there was always a high risk it would be an injury he shouldn't be playing on with? Why are we risking it?


You don't need to be an expert in injuries, just watch football - it happens in just about every game. A player is injured, they carry as they probably say and think they're fine to do so. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't but it isn't until a day or so after the match they are medically and professionally checked. You can't do that on the sidelines or half time,
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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 15:20 - Feb 28 with 940 viewsgringoblue

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:45 - Feb 28 by Trequartista

I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying he should play through pain, I'm extending the logic of the post I was replying to.


He only played 21 minutes in the second half before he went off. Given what happened after half time, it would probably have been better if he went off (we can't have done much worse!). It is also possible the injury was not directly from the challenge, as the presser mentions knee. Maybe he was overcompensating and didn't something else to his knee, or the challenge on his shin jarred his knee and that only became uncomfortable during the 2nd half?
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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 16:35 - Feb 28 with 703 viewsPhilTWTD

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:24 - Feb 28 by SitfcB

Change of time to change our fortunes.


Trained a bit later today, I gather, presumably as they had a talk through Man U first thing.
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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 17:02 - Feb 28 with 610 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:40 - Feb 28 by Trequartista

So he can't do that for the next two games?


It's like silly season on here lately.

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Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 18:31 - Feb 28 with 506 viewsNutkins_Return

Kieran presser at 2.30 (n/t) on 14:37 - Feb 28 by Trequartista

Difficult to understand if he is not fit for the next games, how was he fit for the second half at Old Trafford?


It's not very difficult to understand. I think pretty much everyone who has played football to any level has played on with an injury that turned out to be not great idea after. Adrenaline can hide an injury and swelling would come later etc.

Never forget Dion Dublin once played in with a broken neck. (I might be making it up but I'm sure he scored a header .. )
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