| World War 3 08:44 - Mar 1 with 8594 views | onceablue |
Trump has received a lot of criticism on this page in the last 24 hours and rightly so
However him so called cosying up with Putin at least puts a hold on World War 3 in the short term
If Trump and Putin hated each other the World would be over |  | | |  |
| World War 3 on 11:51 - Mar 1 with 1566 views | Trequartista |
| World War 3 on 09:31 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
If there's one thing that history has taught us, it's that appeasement is a sure fire method of stopping global conflict from breaking out. [Post edited 1 Mar 10:12]
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Different circumstances. Yalta is probably more comparable. We let a mass murderer and annexer of multiple countries have part of Germany! [Post edited 1 Mar 11:52]
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| World War 3 on 12:03 - Mar 1 with 1534 views | J2BLUE |
Ukraine crippling the Russian military has stopped world war 3, not Trump. Trump is an idiot who is willing to accept the word of a known liar. Who knows what he has agreed with Putin? Perhaps Putin will rebuild his army and has assured Trump he won't start another war until the Democrats win back the White House.
Trump is a liar so who knows if his story about a country considering going to war right now is true but if it is they now know Trump can be bought off with a share of the treasure. Maybe China will offer a deal and take Taiwan back.
Trump says only he can end this war. That is bullsh1t. Literally any president of the US could end the war by just conceding everything to Putin. [Post edited 1 Mar 12:07]
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| World War 3 on 12:04 - Mar 1 with 1518 views | Churchman |
| World War 3 on 11:51 - Mar 1 by Trequartista |
Different circumstances. Yalta is probably more comparable. We let a mass murderer and annexer of multiple countries have part of Germany! [Post edited 1 Mar 11:52]
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The Americans were duped at Yalta, not helped by FDR being a very sick man by then. He was dead a month or two later. Churchill saw it, but was by then a peripheral figure. Unimportant. Europe was divided by America and Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference
Given the state of Europe, the ongoing war against Japan, I’m not sure how else it could have panned out. |  | | |
| World War 3 on 12:17 - Mar 1 with 1484 views | leitrimblue |
| World War 3 on 09:04 - Mar 1 by MattinLondon |
Nah - conscription will mean all of our players will get called up and we’ll need ex-players to play against Wolves in a winner stays up match.
Wolves will field Steve Bull and we’ll have Tony Dinning and managed by Lambert. |
Surely we will bring on John Wark, Kevin O'Callaghan, Paul Cooper, Kevin Beattie and Russell Osman at some point and their experience of playing football in a war setting will be way to much for Bull and Co to deal with.
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| World War 3 on 12:19 - Mar 1 with 1467 views | Guthrum |
| World War 3 on 11:01 - Mar 1 by StokieBlue |
Surely it would be Estonia or Latvia first given they have a land border? Can't see them building up in Kaliningrad and going in that way.
The UK has a unit and Eurofighters stationed in Estonia, god knows what would happen.
Still not sure it'll happen though, just doesn't seem anything in it for Putin and it's a NATO country so would be risky. US might not intervene but the European countries might.
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They don't need to go via Kaliningrad. Belarus is already the kind of client state Putin wanted Ukraine to be. And was entirely happy to allow its territory to be used as a base for attacks in 2022.
Take Lithuania and the the other two Baltic States, cut off, will fall quite quickly. |  |
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| World War 3 on 12:19 - Mar 1 with 1471 views | Trequartista |
| World War 3 on 12:04 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
The Americans were duped at Yalta, not helped by FDR being a very sick man by then. He was dead a month or two later. Churchill saw it, but was by then a peripheral figure. Unimportant. Europe was divided by America and Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference
Given the state of Europe, the ongoing war against Japan, I’m not sure how else it could have panned out. |
I don't claim to know enough about how the conference came to its conclusion, I only see the conclusion and see what happened in the Cold War
e.g. USSR just invading Hungary (even if it wasn't annexed) and no-one suddenly thinks this is WW3 and we must all sends millions of dollars of arms to Hungary. It was just accepted that it was already a Soviet sphere of influence.
I'm not saying Ukraine is identical by any means, I just think we're concentrating so much on Chamberlain's paper waving as a comparison (when there were no nuclear weapons and the UK was a major power) and no-one seems to have any knowledge of Yalta and the Cold War which seems to me more comparable, albeit not the same situation. [Post edited 1 Mar 12:20]
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| World War 3 on 12:40 - Mar 1 with 1398 views | WeWereZombies |
| World War 3 on 12:17 - Mar 1 by leitrimblue |
Surely we will bring on John Wark, Kevin O'Callaghan, Paul Cooper, Kevin Beattie and Russell Osman at some point and their experience of playing football in a war setting will be way to much for Bull and Co to deal with.
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Nah, can't see us selling Laurie Sivell to Wolves .. |  |
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| World War 3 on 12:45 - Mar 1 with 1379 views | leitrimblue |
| World War 3 on 12:40 - Mar 1 by WeWereZombies |
Nah, can't see us selling Laurie Sivell to Wolves .. |
No he will be on the town bench, he deserves a place on the bench at least for the right side this time. | | | |
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| World War 3 on 12:47 - Mar 1 with 1349 views | WeWereZombies |
| World War 3 on 12:45 - Mar 1 by leitrimblue |
No he will be on the town bench, he deserves a place on the bench at least for the right side this time. |
OK.
Stallone or Muric for the starting eleven ? | |
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| World War 3 on 13:02 - Mar 1 with 1304 views | leitrimblue |
| World War 3 on 12:47 - Mar 1 by WeWereZombies |
OK.
Stallone or Muric for the starting eleven ? |
I don't wanna jump on the anti Muric bandwagon but it as to be Sly. Even if his mouth and hands do work in unison. | | | |
| World War 3 on 13:04 - Mar 1 with 1295 views | BlueBoots |
| World War 3 on 11:01 - Mar 1 by Guthrum |
I think it was pre-planned. Not necessarily by Trump (easy enough to rile him up to join in). Worth noting that is was little-American-in-chief Vance who led off against Zelensky.
Trump is calculating, but only in the very short term and - more even than money - what will maximally boost his "ratings" (with his cultists). |
The fact that the final question asked (about why Zelensky wasn't wearing a suit) before Vance's attack on Zelensky was asked by Brian Glenn would appear to back up that theory. Could have easily been arranged as a pre-arranged cue, as the conversation moving to a lack of gratitude had nothing to do with what was being discussed previously. |  |
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| World War 3 on 13:14 - Mar 1 with 1265 views | Guthrum |
| World War 3 on 12:19 - Mar 1 by Trequartista |
I don't claim to know enough about how the conference came to its conclusion, I only see the conclusion and see what happened in the Cold War
e.g. USSR just invading Hungary (even if it wasn't annexed) and no-one suddenly thinks this is WW3 and we must all sends millions of dollars of arms to Hungary. It was just accepted that it was already a Soviet sphere of influence.
I'm not saying Ukraine is identical by any means, I just think we're concentrating so much on Chamberlain's paper waving as a comparison (when there were no nuclear weapons and the UK was a major power) and no-one seems to have any knowledge of Yalta and the Cold War which seems to me more comparable, albeit not the same situation. [Post edited 1 Mar 12:20]
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The problem with Hungary in 1956 was that Britain and France were distracted by Suez and the USA by forcing them to back down in that situation. | |
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| World War 3 on 13:22 - Mar 1 with 1251 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| World War 3 on 11:01 - Mar 1 by StokieBlue |
Surely it would be Estonia or Latvia first given they have a land border? Can't see them building up in Kaliningrad and going in that way.
The UK has a unit and Eurofighters stationed in Estonia, god knows what would happen.
Still not sure it'll happen though, just doesn't seem anything in it for Putin and it's a NATO country so would be risky. US might not intervene but the European countries might.
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Was chatting to a Lithuanian friend yesterday. He reckons that Lithuania would be the more likely target as it would cut off Latvia and Estonia plus joining Kaliningrad to the rest of Russia.
He (the friend) is a young man with wife and two children in Vilnius and he is quite fearful of how thinks are going to play out. |  |
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| World War 3 on 13:22 - Mar 1 with 1247 views | Pinewoodblue |
| World War 3 on 12:19 - Mar 1 by Guthrum |
They don't need to go via Kaliningrad. Belarus is already the kind of client state Putin wanted Ukraine to be. And was entirely happy to allow its territory to be used as a base for attacks in 2022.
Take Lithuania and the the other two Baltic States, cut off, will fall quite quickly. |
There are apparently big military exercises planned in Belarus this summer, much the same as three years ago. |  |
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| World War 3 on 13:27 - Mar 1 with 1216 views | mellowblue |
| World War 3 on 10:34 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
No Hitler didn’t want a world war. He wanted to swallow it piece by piece, exactly as Putin wants to do in Europe. Yes, Hitler certainly feared war on two fronts. Who wouldn’t? But in the end he was a chancer, a gambler in addition to being a maniac.
Putin is much more calculating, if still a maniac. Our latest tyrant Trump is neither a gambler or calculating. He is as simple as it’s possible to be. A puffed up arrogant idiot that sees dollars alone and lives in a made up world of weak flunkeys fighting each other to wipe the dribble off his chin. Because they too only think about the dollar.
If somebody challenges makeup man Trump in any way, watch him blow up. Yesterday’s fiasco showed how weak he is. Anybody strong would never have allowed that to happen - unless it was pre-planned/choreographed. |
Your caveat on your last sentence is correct, sadly. | | | |
| World War 3 on 13:36 - Mar 1 with 1171 views | Churchman |
| World War 3 on 12:19 - Mar 1 by Trequartista |
I don't claim to know enough about how the conference came to its conclusion, I only see the conclusion and see what happened in the Cold War
e.g. USSR just invading Hungary (even if it wasn't annexed) and no-one suddenly thinks this is WW3 and we must all sends millions of dollars of arms to Hungary. It was just accepted that it was already a Soviet sphere of influence.
I'm not saying Ukraine is identical by any means, I just think we're concentrating so much on Chamberlain's paper waving as a comparison (when there were no nuclear weapons and the UK was a major power) and no-one seems to have any knowledge of Yalta and the Cold War which seems to me more comparable, albeit not the same situation. [Post edited 1 Mar 12:20]
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The paper waving was at a point in time when Hitler could have been stopped. Was Britain prepared for war? No. Was France? No. But everybody forgets that Germany wasn’t either. Much of the equipment the Germans used in Poland and France was made in Czechoslovakia after Germany had swallowed the country.
Germany carried on rearming, Britain and France were stuttering with it and praying for the inevitable not to happen. Everything on hold for some months in the hope of the peace dividend of Munich. It didn’t have to be that way. Even in 1938 France had the largest, most mechanised army in the world. Britain the world’s most powerful navy. By the end of 1940 Britain was out producing Germany by 2-1 as it geared its economy to total war - the only country to do so. That’s how weak Germany actually was behind the noise.
The spirit of the Maginot line, fear, old men and heads in the sand dominated allied thinking. The stench of it led to Hitler easily duping Chamberlain and Daladier.
Yalta was a different situation. Europe was smashed and or bankrupt. Japan was still at war and a threat. Roosevelt and Churchill wanted Stalin to commit to attacking Japan in return for land. Also the debate and partition of Europe was on the agenda.
Spheres of influence with free elections was basically the outcome, with the exception of Poland and a couple of other countries that were shamefully sold out. It was only later that the US realised they’d been duped into agreeing something with Russia that they’d never adhere to. So down came, to use Churchill’s phrase, the Iron Curtain.
Had Britain had any power left I doubt the European 1945 settlement would have looked quite as it did. Churchill didn’t trust the Russians an inch. Roosevelt did. He trusted Stalin and was soon criticised for his settlement.
However given the state of Europe, war with Japan, the casualties etc I’m not sure what could have dissuaded Stalin from his actions other than a nuclear bomb which of course came months later.
I’m no expert on Yalta or any of this so this is just a view on what little I know. | | | |
| World War 3 on 13:38 - Mar 1 with 1166 views | Trequartista |
| World War 3 on 13:14 - Mar 1 by Guthrum |
The problem with Hungary in 1956 was that Britain and France were distracted by Suez and the USA by forcing them to back down in that situation. |
Do you think if that wasn't the case we'd have send money and arms to Hungary? I just think we're kicking up a lot of fuss now about appeasing Putin, and perhaps rightly so to a certain extent, but forget that up to 1953 a mass murderer dictator from Russia, far worse than Putin, controlled large swathes of Europe far beyond Ukraine. | |
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| World War 3 on 13:42 - Mar 1 with 1160 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| World War 3 on 13:04 - Mar 1 by BlueBoots |
The fact that the final question asked (about why Zelensky wasn't wearing a suit) before Vance's attack on Zelensky was asked by Brian Glenn would appear to back up that theory. Could have easily been arranged as a pre-arranged cue, as the conversation moving to a lack of gratitude had nothing to do with what was being discussed previously. |
I can't see any doubt about whether it was a deliberate ambush.
Why were they even having their discussion in front of a room full of press? Surely any serious meaty discussion, including disagreements, should be in private.
And then the question from Marjorie Taylor Greene's rutting partner allowing Vance to fabricate some indignance.
Can only have been deliberate. | |
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| World War 3 on 13:43 - Mar 1 with 1149 views | Trequartista |
| World War 3 on 13:36 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
The paper waving was at a point in time when Hitler could have been stopped. Was Britain prepared for war? No. Was France? No. But everybody forgets that Germany wasn’t either. Much of the equipment the Germans used in Poland and France was made in Czechoslovakia after Germany had swallowed the country.
Germany carried on rearming, Britain and France were stuttering with it and praying for the inevitable not to happen. Everything on hold for some months in the hope of the peace dividend of Munich. It didn’t have to be that way. Even in 1938 France had the largest, most mechanised army in the world. Britain the world’s most powerful navy. By the end of 1940 Britain was out producing Germany by 2-1 as it geared its economy to total war - the only country to do so. That’s how weak Germany actually was behind the noise.
The spirit of the Maginot line, fear, old men and heads in the sand dominated allied thinking. The stench of it led to Hitler easily duping Chamberlain and Daladier.
Yalta was a different situation. Europe was smashed and or bankrupt. Japan was still at war and a threat. Roosevelt and Churchill wanted Stalin to commit to attacking Japan in return for land. Also the debate and partition of Europe was on the agenda.
Spheres of influence with free elections was basically the outcome, with the exception of Poland and a couple of other countries that were shamefully sold out. It was only later that the US realised they’d been duped into agreeing something with Russia that they’d never adhere to. So down came, to use Churchill’s phrase, the Iron Curtain.
Had Britain had any power left I doubt the European 1945 settlement would have looked quite as it did. Churchill didn’t trust the Russians an inch. Roosevelt did. He trusted Stalin and was soon criticised for his settlement.
However given the state of Europe, war with Japan, the casualties etc I’m not sure what could have dissuaded Stalin from his actions other than a nuclear bomb which of course came months later.
I’m no expert on Yalta or any of this so this is just a view on what little I know. |
Sure i'm no expert either and I do like reading other people's opinions and taking things on board. | |
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| World War 3 on 14:07 - Mar 1 with 1082 views | mellowblue |
| World War 3 on 12:03 - Mar 1 by J2BLUE |
Ukraine crippling the Russian military has stopped world war 3, not Trump. Trump is an idiot who is willing to accept the word of a known liar. Who knows what he has agreed with Putin? Perhaps Putin will rebuild his army and has assured Trump he won't start another war until the Democrats win back the White House.
Trump is a liar so who knows if his story about a country considering going to war right now is true but if it is they now know Trump can be bought off with a share of the treasure. Maybe China will offer a deal and take Taiwan back.
Trump says only he can end this war. That is bullsh1t. Literally any president of the US could end the war by just conceding everything to Putin. [Post edited 1 Mar 12:07]
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But only Trump has the gall and balls to do it, so he is effectively right; though it has not happened yet but seems inevitable. | | | |
| World War 3 on 14:20 - Mar 1 with 1044 views | cbower |
| World War 3 on 10:54 - Mar 1 by redrickstuhaart |
When putin invades Lithuania because he is confident that America wont intervene, then we can talk about who is gambling with ww3.
Perhaps we will then have to give him an ultimatum about invading Poland... |
Moldova first, then some serious sabre rattling on the borders with the Baltic states I reckon. |  |
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| World War 3 on 15:12 - Mar 1 with 982 views | StokieBlue |
| World War 3 on 13:22 - Mar 1 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Was chatting to a Lithuanian friend yesterday. He reckons that Lithuania would be the more likely target as it would cut off Latvia and Estonia plus joining Kaliningrad to the rest of Russia.
He (the friend) is a young man with wife and two children in Vilnius and he is quite fearful of how thinks are going to play out. |
That could be true with regards to cutting off the other states (as Guthers has also pointed out) but I don't see it happening.
What's in it for Putin? There aren't resources like in Ukraine and he's attacking a number of NATO and EU countries. I don't think the Europeans would stand by. Is he going to attack the UK units in Estonia?
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| World War 3 on 15:14 - Mar 1 with 976 views | StokieBlue |
| World War 3 on 14:20 - Mar 1 by cbower |
Moldova first, then some serious sabre rattling on the borders with the Baltic states I reckon. |
This would seem more likely, almost no resistance and it's not a NATO or EU member.
It's a much bigger step than some are implying to enter the Baltic states, it a huge step.
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| World War 3 on 15:25 - Mar 1 with 961 views | J2BLUE |
| World War 3 on 14:07 - Mar 1 by mellowblue |
But only Trump has the gall and balls to do it, so he is effectively right; though it has not happened yet but seems inevitable. |
Gall and balls to completely betray your allies?
What planet are you on? | |
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| World War 3 on 15:34 - Mar 1 with 940 views | Radlett_blue |
| World War 3 on 12:04 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
The Americans were duped at Yalta, not helped by FDR being a very sick man by then. He was dead a month or two later. Churchill saw it, but was by then a peripheral figure. Unimportant. Europe was divided by America and Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference
Given the state of Europe, the ongoing war against Japan, I’m not sure how else it could have panned out. |
Indeed, the Soviet Union had made vast sacrifices to defeat Nazi Germany & being allowed to dominate Eastern Europe was a reward which would have been near impossible to remove from them. |  |
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