| What I can't figure out is.... on 20:26 - Mar 19 with 1433 views | DJR |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 20:06 - Mar 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
In my opinion the current generation have things way worse and face pressures that mine couldn't even imagine, be this the insidious and pervasive pressures of social media, the lack of a welfare safety net or any sense of being able to escape the rat race (free festivals/raves or whatever). There really is no time or space for humans to be human anymore. |
For my own part, it is the innocence of childhood that I experienced which is lacking these days.
After all, you didn't need to be wealthy to be playing outdoors all day during school holidays. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:43]
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 20:28 - Mar 19 with 1420 views | mellowblue |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 20:06 - Mar 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
In my opinion the current generation have things way worse and face pressures that mine couldn't even imagine, be this the insidious and pervasive pressures of social media, the lack of a welfare safety net or any sense of being able to escape the rat race (free festivals/raves or whatever). There really is no time or space for humans to be human anymore. |
In a way the current generation have more opportunities to travel, go to festivals etc than we older gen everr did. Maybe because they cannot enjoy those opportunities to the full leads to frustrations. All we knew was 40 hours a week work, 4 weeks of holiday a year, that was our norm. What we did not do, did not upset us as it was an unknown opportunity to us. If that makes sense. |  | | |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 20:28 - Mar 19 with 1414 views | Lord_Lucan |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 20:19 - Mar 19 by DJR |
The people I have spoken to about it found it a great adventure, and the next door neighbour of my mother ended up eventually marrying someone she didn't know from her own town who was sent away to the same place.
And I won't go into details about the impact it had on my daughter's time at university, a time which is meant to be rather special. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:24]
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Covid must have been absolutely awful for university students.
They go there expecting the time of their lives! |  |
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 22:31 - Mar 19 with 1282 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
If only she had been an antisemite! 
One MP said: “Increasingly I’m trying to figure out what we’re doing that the Tories wouldn’t be if they were in power.”
.....imagine how the rest of us feel. |  |
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 22:34 - Mar 19 with 1274 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 20:28 - Mar 19 by mellowblue |
In a way the current generation have more opportunities to travel, go to festivals etc than we older gen everr did. Maybe because they cannot enjoy those opportunities to the full leads to frustrations. All we knew was 40 hours a week work, 4 weeks of holiday a year, that was our norm. What we did not do, did not upset us as it was an unknown opportunity to us. If that makes sense. |
I think you might find that on the whole that is limited to kids of a certain demographic who can afford to take a gap yah! This certainly didn't use to be the case. | |
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 06:47 - Mar 20 with 1210 views | Benters |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 19:00 - Mar 19 by PhilTWTD |
A little different, they were able to go out and play and go to school even if they were living away from their parents. |
Whilst I don’t agree totally with what you posted there.
From my family’s expenses with evacuation etc,my Father in law was sent to St.Ives in Cornwall from London at a very young age,he had the time of his life,when it was time to go back to London he didn’t want to return!
My Grandparents in Dedham also took in children from London,same thing there they wanted to stay. |  |
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 07:08 - Mar 20 with 1165 views | blueasfook |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 20:28 - Mar 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Covid must have been absolutely awful for university students.
They go there expecting the time of their lives! |
My son deferred going to university for exactly that reason. He did shop work for a couple of years during Covid and then went last year. Means he's a bit older but he's getting the proper uni experience at least. |  |
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 09:56 - Mar 20 with 1086 views | CoachRob |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 09:05 - Mar 19 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Jeez if he had a quid for every time he used ‘neoliberal’ he could fund the shortfall himself…
He’s proposed tax/NI (same thing) increases to pay for it which is fair enough, but KS backed himself into a corner promising no rises pre-election. He’s already portrayed as dishonest by the media so he might as well go for it. I suspect he’s also concerned about chocking off what little growth is projected (and some projections have the economy shrinking in Q1) by further cutting people’s disposable income.
Re borrowing, the reason the markets reacted (and it was what they and rating agencies predicted), was because Labours plan was merely filling holes in budgets. Not all borrowing is equal (which is what some left leaning economists ignore), investors want to see growth generating borrowing in order to get their investment back. It’s a test of faith and credibility which KS and Reeves failed. |
This is complete drivel.
"He’s already portrayed as dishonest by the media so he might as well go for it. Hmmm, climate scientists are portrayed as alarmist and mad, bad and dangerous to know, does it mean we are wrong?
I have no idea what qualifications you have or what you do, but clearly you spend little time understanding what post-Keynesian economists like Richard Murphy are even proposing. Your "not all borrowing is equal" nonsense shows you have no understanding of the post-Keynesian position and are critiquing from a place of total ignorance. Really had enough of amateurs having a casual pop at things they can't even be bother to learn about.
I love the fact you talk about projections, our projections in physics about the climate using relatively simple models have proven to be correct (these are from the 1980's), economists can't project into next week - I think it was you that posted a projection by Fitch who's projection turned out to be an order of magnitude wrong on the US economy under Biden. Would be interesting to here your thoughts on climate change, are the Neoclassical economists right? Will we see growth long into the future with only a tiny reduction in the growth rate after all the tipping points have been breached? This is all derived using the same illogical assumptions Fitch use in their projections.
The borrowing stuff is standard Neoclassical drivel taught to poor unsuspecting students, a complete fiction of banks, money and debt. Government 'borrowing' creates money on the interest paid as does its' spending and commercial banks issuing loans. Even Elon Musk has worked that much out. Government bonds are integral to the financial system and you seem to be putting this "government bad, markets good" nonsense on every post. I have been working with a group of actuaries and some people in the wider financial community on the impacts of climate change, they are very clear to me that they want their investments protected with flood defences, wildfire warning systems. It isn't going to generate much growth, but the downsides are existential for these firms. By your logic cutting NOAA is a excellent idea as it creates very little growth, your understanding of investors is derived from a textbook, not real life.
The reasoning that yields changed solely because of Rachel Reeves' spending plans is just ludicrous, as somebody with twenty plus years of working on dynamical systems you will have to come up with something better than "faith". |  | | |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 21:08 - Mar 20 with 976 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 09:56 - Mar 20 by CoachRob |
This is complete drivel.
"He’s already portrayed as dishonest by the media so he might as well go for it. Hmmm, climate scientists are portrayed as alarmist and mad, bad and dangerous to know, does it mean we are wrong?
I have no idea what qualifications you have or what you do, but clearly you spend little time understanding what post-Keynesian economists like Richard Murphy are even proposing. Your "not all borrowing is equal" nonsense shows you have no understanding of the post-Keynesian position and are critiquing from a place of total ignorance. Really had enough of amateurs having a casual pop at things they can't even be bother to learn about.
I love the fact you talk about projections, our projections in physics about the climate using relatively simple models have proven to be correct (these are from the 1980's), economists can't project into next week - I think it was you that posted a projection by Fitch who's projection turned out to be an order of magnitude wrong on the US economy under Biden. Would be interesting to here your thoughts on climate change, are the Neoclassical economists right? Will we see growth long into the future with only a tiny reduction in the growth rate after all the tipping points have been breached? This is all derived using the same illogical assumptions Fitch use in their projections.
The borrowing stuff is standard Neoclassical drivel taught to poor unsuspecting students, a complete fiction of banks, money and debt. Government 'borrowing' creates money on the interest paid as does its' spending and commercial banks issuing loans. Even Elon Musk has worked that much out. Government bonds are integral to the financial system and you seem to be putting this "government bad, markets good" nonsense on every post. I have been working with a group of actuaries and some people in the wider financial community on the impacts of climate change, they are very clear to me that they want their investments protected with flood defences, wildfire warning systems. It isn't going to generate much growth, but the downsides are existential for these firms. By your logic cutting NOAA is a excellent idea as it creates very little growth, your understanding of investors is derived from a textbook, not real life.
The reasoning that yields changed solely because of Rachel Reeves' spending plans is just ludicrous, as somebody with twenty plus years of working on dynamical systems you will have to come up with something better than "faith". |
“I have been working with a group of actuaries and some people in the wider financial community on the impacts of climate change, they are very clear to me that they want their investments protected with flood defences, wildfire warning systems. It isn't going to generate much growth, but the downsides are existential for these firms. By your logic cutting NOAA is a excellent idea as it creates very little growth, your understanding of investors is derived from a textbook, not real life”
I assume because you only interact in a like-minded bubble. In the real world there is likely class actions in the pipeline from groups of investors who argue ESG is holding back returns. I don’t know what economists have done to upset you, but the obsession is a bit odd. The constant ‘economists don’t know anything, and can’t even predict next week’, followed by referencing various economists to make a point is actually pretty amusing though. [Post edited 20 Mar 21:40]
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 22:27 - Mar 20 with 946 views | lowhouseblue |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 09:56 - Mar 20 by CoachRob |
This is complete drivel.
"He’s already portrayed as dishonest by the media so he might as well go for it. Hmmm, climate scientists are portrayed as alarmist and mad, bad and dangerous to know, does it mean we are wrong?
I have no idea what qualifications you have or what you do, but clearly you spend little time understanding what post-Keynesian economists like Richard Murphy are even proposing. Your "not all borrowing is equal" nonsense shows you have no understanding of the post-Keynesian position and are critiquing from a place of total ignorance. Really had enough of amateurs having a casual pop at things they can't even be bother to learn about.
I love the fact you talk about projections, our projections in physics about the climate using relatively simple models have proven to be correct (these are from the 1980's), economists can't project into next week - I think it was you that posted a projection by Fitch who's projection turned out to be an order of magnitude wrong on the US economy under Biden. Would be interesting to here your thoughts on climate change, are the Neoclassical economists right? Will we see growth long into the future with only a tiny reduction in the growth rate after all the tipping points have been breached? This is all derived using the same illogical assumptions Fitch use in their projections.
The borrowing stuff is standard Neoclassical drivel taught to poor unsuspecting students, a complete fiction of banks, money and debt. Government 'borrowing' creates money on the interest paid as does its' spending and commercial banks issuing loans. Even Elon Musk has worked that much out. Government bonds are integral to the financial system and you seem to be putting this "government bad, markets good" nonsense on every post. I have been working with a group of actuaries and some people in the wider financial community on the impacts of climate change, they are very clear to me that they want their investments protected with flood defences, wildfire warning systems. It isn't going to generate much growth, but the downsides are existential for these firms. By your logic cutting NOAA is a excellent idea as it creates very little growth, your understanding of investors is derived from a textbook, not real life.
The reasoning that yields changed solely because of Rachel Reeves' spending plans is just ludicrous, as somebody with twenty plus years of working on dynamical systems you will have to come up with something better than "faith". |
"Really had enough of amateurs having a casual pop at things they can't even be bother to learn about."
and your qualifications as an economist are exactly? ....... 
reading the fly sheet of a book on post-keynesian economics isn't a qualification.
and richard murphy isn't an economist - he's an accountant with the hots for corbyn who seems to have made his money form trivial pursuit. he's a couple of steps up from russell brand but still not much cop as an economist.
you really take weird to a whole new level. |  |
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 16:49 - Mar 22 with 665 views | Crawfordsboot |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 08:51 - Mar 19 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s an interesting tactic to target some of the most vulnerable people in society; not exactly what Labour is supposed to stand for. But then we’ve known for a while that Starmer’s Labour sold out their party’s principles for their sole aim of getting into power. And to a degree that’s understandable. You can’t do anything if you don’t have the keys to Number 10. But now they are in power, they have a choice.
It’s the dishonesty that annoys me the most. Kendal was saying they were getting to the root causes by this restructuring, but I didn’t hear anything yesterday about those root causes. It’s purely a financially driven decision from what I can tell.
The other annoying thing is that they have other options (and are again lying about that). Richard Murphy (left-leaning economist and academic) regularly covers those options on his blog. His entry today sums up the false position being presented by Labour. https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2025/03/19/the-government-says-it-must-cut-b |
Your observations might be spot on - but then again perhaps not.
As I understand it the UK is something of an exception amongst developed nations in that the numbers of individuals claiming sickness/disability benefits has skyrocketed in contrast with similar developed countries where the percentages of the population claiming such benefits has remained relatively steady.
It would seem unlikely that we suddenly have a greatly increased number of sick or disabled in the general population. This would appear to suggest that our system has got out of control and that perhaps it is being milked. That is not to say that we do not have a population of sick or disabled who need and deserve support.
I am all in favour of helping support those in need but at the same time I expect our govt to be sure that those claiming support are genuinely in need. |  | | |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 16:56 - Mar 22 with 652 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 20:26 - Mar 19 by DJR |
For my own part, it is the innocence of childhood that I experienced which is lacking these days.
After all, you didn't need to be wealthy to be playing outdoors all day during school holidays. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:43]
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:06 - Mar 22 with 634 views | Oldsmoker |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 22:31 - Mar 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If only she had been an antisemite!
One MP said: “Increasingly I’m trying to figure out what we’re doing that the Tories wouldn’t be if they were in power.”
.....imagine how the rest of us feel. |
One MP said: “Increasingly I’m trying to figure out what we’re doing that the Tories wouldn’t be if they were in power.”
The Tories made bold policy statements but they were incapable of carrying them out 'cos they were incompetent.
Scary bit - Labour are more than capable of succeeding. |  |
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:14 - Mar 22 with 625 views | PhilTWTD |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 19:47 - Mar 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Many of the kids were seriously abused - mentally, physically and sexually.
A few months stuck in a heated home during Covid with TV and social media is nothing to what the evacuee's had to go through.
Completely off the scale!!!!!!!
Edit - Sorry dear leader but that is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on here - and borderline offensive to any evacuee's still alive and reading this. [Post edited 19 Mar 19:54]
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Both my parents and uncles and aunts were evacuees and I don't think any of them looked back on it as a traumatic experience. Indeed, one of the reasons my father ended up moving to Suffolk was due to his time here as an evacuee.
I'm sure there were those who had traumatic times for the reasons you outline. But the point I was making was that the two can't really be compared or traded off against one another in terms of isolation in the manner suggested. I know from a teaching assistant friend that being socially isolated in the manner children were during lockdown has greatly impacted their socialisation and social skills.
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:19 - Mar 22 with 588 views | PhilTWTD |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 19:43 - Mar 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Are we really playing mental suffering top trumps here. Apples and oranges come to mind. I wouldn't trade being a teenager in the 80's for being one now for all the tea in China fwiw. |
Indeed, in terms purely of isolation, which was what was posted, I think the Covid generation got a tougher hand talking in general terms. Obviously in terms of being withdrawn from parents, home etc it was tougher on evacuees, but that wasn't what was posted. | | | |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:23 - Mar 22 with 575 views | PhilTWTD |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 06:47 - Mar 20 by Benters |
Whilst I don’t agree totally with what you posted there.
From my family’s expenses with evacuation etc,my Father in law was sent to St.Ives in Cornwall from London at a very young age,he had the time of his life,when it was time to go back to London he didn’t want to return!
My Grandparents in Dedham also took in children from London,same thing there they wanted to stay. |
I don't think that was unusual. My mum loved Derbyshire, she stayed there for most of the war and we regularly went back to visit where she'd lived. | | | |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:25 - Mar 22 with 568 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 16:49 - Mar 22 by Crawfordsboot |
Your observations might be spot on - but then again perhaps not.
As I understand it the UK is something of an exception amongst developed nations in that the numbers of individuals claiming sickness/disability benefits has skyrocketed in contrast with similar developed countries where the percentages of the population claiming such benefits has remained relatively steady.
It would seem unlikely that we suddenly have a greatly increased number of sick or disabled in the general population. This would appear to suggest that our system has got out of control and that perhaps it is being milked. That is not to say that we do not have a population of sick or disabled who need and deserve support.
I am all in favour of helping support those in need but at the same time I expect our govt to be sure that those claiming support are genuinely in need. |
“It would seem unlikely that we suddenly have a greatly increased number of sick or disabled in the general population”.
Given the size and huge increase in the NHS waiting list, it seems this is exactly what’s happening. | |
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:30 - Mar 22 with 561 views | PhilTWTD |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 19:47 - Mar 19 by lowhouseblue |
in terms of top trumps i guess you need to ask the poster who started off with the claim that no previous generation had suffered anything as bad as lockdown. |
Although that wasn't what they said. | | | |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:45 - Mar 22 with 487 views | lowhouseblue |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:30 - Mar 22 by PhilTWTD |
Although that wasn't what they said. |
well as good as: "suffered isolation in their formative years that no previous generation has suffered."
personally I still think that being sent across the country away from your parents and community, when you very probably had never stepped outside your own locality before in your life, for a year and a bit with no contact at all other than letters (assuming you and your parents were literate) and occasional visits, wins hands down even if isolation is to be the only criteria. | |
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:48 - Mar 22 with 484 views | DJR |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:25 - Mar 22 by Swansea_Blue |
“It would seem unlikely that we suddenly have a greatly increased number of sick or disabled in the general population”.
Given the size and huge increase in the NHS waiting list, it seems this is exactly what’s happening. |
Yes, the NHS was in a parlous state going into the pandemic due to real terms increase in funding due to austerity being far lower than any period since the war and in no way reflecting an increasing and ageing population.
As a result claims for sickness benefit had been rising since the coalition government.
The health service in Germany was so good that they were able to export doctors and equipment during the pandemic. | | | |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 18:08 - Mar 22 with 429 views | PhilTWTD |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:45 - Mar 22 by lowhouseblue |
well as good as: "suffered isolation in their formative years that no previous generation has suffered."
personally I still think that being sent across the country away from your parents and community, when you very probably had never stepped outside your own locality before in your life, for a year and a bit with no contact at all other than letters (assuming you and your parents were literate) and occasional visits, wins hands down even if isolation is to be the only criteria. |
Again, as per Bankster, think it's comparing apples with oranges. Clearly there are issues with being evacuated but they're different to the isolation during lockdown which was cited. | | | |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 18:11 - Mar 22 with 414 views | DJR |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 17:45 - Mar 22 by lowhouseblue |
well as good as: "suffered isolation in their formative years that no previous generation has suffered."
personally I still think that being sent across the country away from your parents and community, when you very probably had never stepped outside your own locality before in your life, for a year and a bit with no contact at all other than letters (assuming you and your parents were literate) and occasional visits, wins hands down even if isolation is to be the only criteria. |
We can obviously agree to disagree but a very important aspect of child development is interaction with other children. It was that that I was talking about by isolation, and evacuees would not have missed out on that because they would have gone to school and may well have gone to the same place as siblings and school friends.
Anyway, it's not just me that thinks that some children have suffered in their social development because of Covid (as my post indicated), and I thought this might be pertinent to an increased number of inactive 16-24 year olds.
As regards a lack of social development, I remember even accountancy firms saying that new recruits after the pandemic were not as socially developed as in the past. And behaviour and absence in school is much worse than before the pandemic. In that sense, many university students (especially first year) had it bad because they were both socially isolated at university and away from their parents. Indeed, my daughter had a whole year of online lessons even though she went to university in the September after the pandemic had started.. [Post edited 22 Mar 18:13]
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 18:13 - Mar 22 with 391 views | lowhouseblue |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 18:08 - Mar 22 by PhilTWTD |
Again, as per Bankster, think it's comparing apples with oranges. Clearly there are issues with being evacuated but they're different to the isolation during lockdown which was cited. |
but they were with their families and had unlimited contact online. seriously, which would choose? or, if you had a nine year old kid, which would you choose for them? | |
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| What I can't figure out is.... on 18:17 - Mar 22 with 371 views | Ryorry |
| What I can't figure out is.... on 18:13 - Mar 22 by lowhouseblue |
but they were with their families and had unlimited contact online. seriously, which would choose? or, if you had a nine year old kid, which would you choose for them? |
Being with their families during lockdowns would have been a complete nightmare for some. |  |
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