| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing 07:48 - Mar 19 with 4029 views | Nutkins_Return |
There have been a lot of posts recently around Woolfy and Burgess and plenty suggesting we should have stuck with them. "Burgess better than Greaves" and Woolf should be playing every week. We also had stuff on Hladky should have stayed when Muric was in goal.
Completely appreciating defensively we have certainly had a right challenge this season I don't understand for one minute how people can logically come to the conclusion last seasons defence would have been better. We went up but defensively we had a challenge last season and anyone can see how mire difficult the prem is.
We conceded 57 goals last season. If you go back through previous champ tables teams that get promoted are typically shipping in up to about 40 goals with a few low 40 exceptions. First and second going up with low 30s in several cases. 57 goals was quite freakish to concede and go up. McKenna knew this and HAD to upgrade.
O'shea and Greaves are better players and will have better careers but it was a big ask for them this season. |  |
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| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 11:10 - Mar 19 with 1077 views | Churchman |
I think Greaves especially is better than last year’s two. He’s got something about him and his moving forward out of defence with the ball on Saturday was about the only movement forwards from the back there was (plus Davis of course). Greaves has something about him. Size, presence and athleticism.
Just my view and I appreciate there are those who hate just about all the new players brought bar Delap in because they are not ‘our’ players. I like Burgess and Woolfy too. The latter is a terrific player and I’d have been happy with those three going into the season. O’Shea - not sure.
It’s all about opinions. It should be remembered that defending is a team collective thing. It isn’t Subbuteo. While defenders have made errors, so has everyone else. The biggest issue though has been the total disconnection between defence, our woeful midfield and the forwards. This is a collective problem and pointing at individuals is counter productive.
Every time the ball was lost up front (eg Hutchinson), it was on our defence and in that case back of the net in about 20 seconds. Nothing in between. That makes everything a forward tries jeopardy, so they are bound to take less risk.
As for the keeper, Muric is a better player than Hladky in my view. An upgrade. Hladky was better with his feet, obviously, but in every other aspect not as good. The new keeper - looks better than the above and Walton.
The objective though has to be to re establish the connection through the team that has felt missing throughout the season. I’m hoping Humphreys gets a chance in the Championship, Morsy should be fine at that level for another season and Taylor might be good enough too. Bring in somebody else to replace Luongo and we start looking stronger in that area - hopefully.
The good thing is that despite lacking confidence the players don’t seem to be playing the blame game publicly. They seem a good bunch if a little battered at the moment. |  | | |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 11:18 - Mar 19 with 1049 views | itfcsuth |
Whoever has the most potential is a sometimes pointless debate, the most important thing is how are players performing in the now, over the body of a season, two seasons etc - not what they may do in the future.
In reflection of the now; it is a pretty straightforward list. O'Shea has performed the best of the bunch, has stepped up pretty well to PL, followed by Burgess, who never lets you down. Woolfenden has had a largely decent season, but does have his limitations, and Greaves has struggled since early season injury.
It's a straightforward pecking order right now:
1. O'Shea
2. Burgess
3. Woolfenden
4. Greaves |  | | |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 11:25 - Mar 19 with 1024 views | BlueySwede |
Our defensive line often receives a lot of criticism, sometimes deservedly so. But our defensive issues go beyond that. It’s about misplaced passes in midfield, poor decisions all over the pitch, and so on. Losing possession and misplacing passes are punished incredibly harshly in the Premier League. Our goalkeeper rotations don’t make it easier to maintain a stable defense. I'm not sure we would have conceded fewer goals if, for example, Burgess and Woolfenden had played the entire season—the problems are bigger than individual players. | | | |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 11:25 - Mar 19 with 1025 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 11:02 - Mar 19 by MK1 |
I agree. Broadhead will improve with the experience, but Clarke has to be the starter for next season. |
Broadhead wasn't even a consistent starter at the end of last season and that has to do with his pressing or lack thereof.
He has so much quality but I always think his lack of a standout physical attribute will stop him being a topflight player. |  |
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| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 11:35 - Mar 19 with 1005 views | JakeITFC |
It is worth remembering that Cameron Burgess was having absolute horror shows against teams like Barrow early in his Ipswich career and so whilst he might be the second coming of Maldini to some on here now, let's not write Greaves off for having a difficult start against players of a much higher calibre. |  | | |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 13:25 - Mar 19 with 925 views | ArnieM |
Other than Townsend and O'Shea, I'd bin the rest . None are good enough. |  |
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| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 13:36 - Mar 19 with 920 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 13:25 - Mar 19 by ArnieM |
Other than Townsend and O'Shea, I'd bin the rest . None are good enough. |
That is mental.... | |
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| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 14:27 - Mar 19 with 891 views | TractorFrog |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 10:59 - Mar 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I know it is a separate issue, but I really don't understand this clamour for Broadhead. He gives you absolutely nothing off the ball. Clarke should have that position and should be playing it every week imo. I think he has the highest ceiling and was already improving before a bad game at Palace. |
4 points from 4 games when Broadhead starts.
1 point from 8 games when Clarke starts. |  |
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| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 14:30 - Mar 19 with 887 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 14:27 - Mar 19 by TractorFrog |
4 points from 4 games when Broadhead starts.
1 point from 8 games when Clarke starts. |
Ok ?
There are 10 other players on the pitch so not sure it can be simplified to that level. | |
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| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 14:41 - Mar 19 with 858 views | TractorFrog |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 14:30 - Mar 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Ok ?
There are 10 other players on the pitch so not sure it can be simplified to that level. |
It isn't as simple as the player with higher PPG is the better player, but I think a difference of that level is quite significant.
We seem to be starting to settle on a best 11, but it keeps losing, which makes me think it's not the best 11 because we were much better in the first half of the season. | |
| They'd all laugh at me if they knew what I was trying to do. To create a new strain of super-wine in half-an-hour with a fraction of nature's resources and a FOOL for an assistant. 'Bernard Black, he's mad,' they'd say, 'he's insane, he's dangerous.' Well I'll show them! I'll show them all! | | Poll: | Who should start in CM with Cajuste? |
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| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 14:46 - Mar 19 with 844 views | TractorFrog |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 11:35 - Mar 19 by JakeITFC |
It is worth remembering that Cameron Burgess was having absolute horror shows against teams like Barrow early in his Ipswich career and so whilst he might be the second coming of Maldini to some on here now, let's not write Greaves off for having a difficult start against players of a much higher calibre. |
It would be crazy to 'write Greaves off' as in sell him. But when Cameron Burgess was having those horror shows he was rightly dropped in favour of George Edmundson and Toto Nsiala because they were playing better at the time, and had to gradually force his way back into the starting eleven. So if Burgess is currently playing better than Greaves, he should be in the starting eleven and Greaves can force his way back in.
In my opinion, it isn't that big a deal to be put on the bench for a few games if you are off-form. Being 'dropped' only becomes a big deal when a player is allowed to underperform for a very long time before it happens. If Walton had replaced Muric a lot earlier in the season, or even stayed in after he played well against Liverpool, Muric would have been better-placed to come back in after Walton had some bad games or got injured, but keeping him for too long caused getting dropped at Chelsea to be a significant event. So Burgess should start the next few games, and if he has some poor games then Greaves can come back in, but both will know full well they will get another opportunity. | |
| They'd all laugh at me if they knew what I was trying to do. To create a new strain of super-wine in half-an-hour with a fraction of nature's resources and a FOOL for an assistant. 'Bernard Black, he's mad,' they'd say, 'he's insane, he's dangerous.' Well I'll show them! I'll show them all! | | Poll: | Who should start in CM with Cajuste? |
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| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 15:03 - Mar 19 with 814 views | farkenhell |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 08:37 - Mar 19 by redrickstuhaart |
Greaves was responsible for 3 first half goals last time out. |
Eh? The first was down to Delap and the 3rd from Woolfenden's poor header. | | | |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 16:26 - Mar 19 with 775 views | Smoresy |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 14:41 - Mar 19 by TractorFrog |
It isn't as simple as the player with higher PPG is the better player, but I think a difference of that level is quite significant.
We seem to be starting to settle on a best 11, but it keeps losing, which makes me think it's not the best 11 because we were much better in the first half of the season. |
Palmer would be 3rd choice GK though if we use that tool for selection, which doesn't chime with what I've seen so far.
Clarke v Broadhead is similar to Burgess v Greaves at this level imo; not a great deal in it, Clarke a bit better defensively. Broadhead has created 5 chances in his 448 minutes on the pitch, no goal involvements yet sadly. Clarke has created 19 chances from 860 minutes, 4 assists. But Clarke's a bit fortunate to have that many assists and Broadhead's a bit unfortunate to have zero, while both may consider themselves unfortunate to have not scored once. Nobody on the left or right has shined close to consistently. | | | |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 17:05 - Mar 19 with 739 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 10:08 - Mar 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
If you are classifying Woolfenden and Burgess as Championship defenders, then surely you have to class Greaves as a Championship defender?? |
Sorry I wasn't classifying them as 'champ defenders' in terms of ability. Ton of respect and love both of them. I was just meaning the pairing from the champ and maybe clumsily phrased. Just wanted to clarify. | |
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| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 17:41 - Mar 19 with 713 views | Radlett_blue |
Most people loved Greaves when the season started & since his injury issues, he's been inconsistent & not helped by endless changes of defensive personnel & goalkeepers.
The only really big error I think we made in the transfer market was recruiting Muric, who has always looked like an accident waiting to happen & McKenna effectively admitted as much by dropping him & then buying Palmer. |  |
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| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 21:52 - Mar 19 with 663 views | Bluebell |
I will add to this thread that the 2 goals we scored against Forest, were when we had 7 of our Championship players on the pitch. 
Woolfy, Burgess, Davis, Broadhead, Hirst, Hutch and Taylor |  | | |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 22:08 - Mar 19 with 645 views | Smoresy |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 21:52 - Mar 19 by Bluebell |
I will add to this thread that the 2 goals we scored against Forest, were when we had 7 of our Championship players on the pitch.
Woolfy, Burgess, Davis, Broadhead, Hirst, Hutch and Taylor |
Just a shame those 2 goals involved the three non-Championship players left on the pitch plus Hirst  | | | |
| Keep hearing our champ defenders should be playing on 07:22 - Mar 20 with 537 views | TheBlueGnu |
My favoured back four are: Jenny Powell, Micheala Strachan, Sarah Greene, Sally Geeson. | |
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