| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving 09:30 - Apr 8 with 5074 views | AljoBlue |
In terms of physique, aggression, ball winning and bravery we could lose our 3 best defenders - Burgess, Tuanzebe and O'Shea.
I fully get Burgess considering moving on, I'd want to start regularly.
Lots of talk that Tuanzebe may similarly be off which would be disappointing as he is clearly our first choice right back. I really hope we keep O'Shea and make him captain.
Woolfy and Greaves are very good players but not same style and maybe as a result not great playing together as need a Burgess or O'Shea type alongside them.
If those 3 need replacing alongside 2 DM that is some rebuild |  | | |  |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:35 - Apr 8 with 4236 views | portmanking |
There was always going to be a rebuild.
Tanganga is one I know the club have considered as a possible Tuanzebe replacement in the hybrid third CB role. He's got a similar athletic profile.
Given how much we spent on Greaves, we do need to give him the confidence to shine next season.
I've heard nothing yet to suggest that O'Shea wants out. If anything, I'm told he's been surprised at how big the club is and how much he enjoys playing for us. | | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:36 - Apr 8 with 4217 views | Herbivore |
Woolf and Greaves started the season very well. To use Football Manager speak, Greaves is more of a stopper while Woolf is more naturally a cover defender so they complement each other quite well. O'Shea and Burgess also tend slightly more towards being stoppers as well which is why Burgess and Woolf are a good partnership but for me Greaves and O'Shea don't work together as they are both inclined to attack the ball rather than protect space, so when they don't get the ball we're then fooked. Burgess I think is better at knowing when to come and when not to which is why he's worked better with O'Shea than Greaves has overall.
Axel will probably go. He's got enough pedigree for a lower Prem team to take a punt on him on a free. His injury record this season hasn't been great but he's quality when fit. |  |
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| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:38 - Apr 8 with 4197 views | _clive_baker_ |
I hope we hang on to O'Shea, he's a proper defender. I think he could be massive for us next season and one we wouldn't need to recycle if we went back up. He's a premier league player. Burgess would be a shame to see leave, but I wouldn't begrudge him it and life goes on. The whole Burgess / Greaves thing is a bit of an issue for us, depth is important but I prefer having a settled partnership in those positions. That's a potential benefit if Burgess does go, it would hopefully give O'Shea & Greaves a chance to build something next season and given their potential and age profiles its probably the right thing. |  | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:40 - Apr 8 with 4171 views | portmanking |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:38 - Apr 8 by _clive_baker_ |
I hope we hang on to O'Shea, he's a proper defender. I think he could be massive for us next season and one we wouldn't need to recycle if we went back up. He's a premier league player. Burgess would be a shame to see leave, but I wouldn't begrudge him it and life goes on. The whole Burgess / Greaves thing is a bit of an issue for us, depth is important but I prefer having a settled partnership in those positions. That's a potential benefit if Burgess does go, it would hopefully give O'Shea & Greaves a chance to build something next season and given their potential and age profiles its probably the right thing. |
Herby's right though, Greaves and O'Shea don't have the right balance as a centre back pairing. Both want to attack the ball and leave us vulnerable in behind. However, that should be less of an issue in the Championship... | | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:42 - Apr 8 with 4148 views | Clutch |
I can see O'Shea not wanting to move yet again, and I hope he doesn't. Can also see him being Captain too as an incentive. |  | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:48 - Apr 8 with 4053 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:40 - Apr 8 by portmanking |
Herby's right though, Greaves and O'Shea don't have the right balance as a centre back pairing. Both want to attack the ball and leave us vulnerable in behind. However, that should be less of an issue in the Championship... |
I don't worry about that personally. What I don't really like is the level of rotation we've seen in that area this season, some of it has been forced through injuries and form, with Burgess justifiably getting starts ahead of Greaves at times, but I'd quite like a bit more of a pecking order next year and run with it. They'll make mistakes, they're human, but they'll make more if they're in and out of the side. I don't know the stats, but O'Shea & Greaves must've only started about 10 games together in their time here at a guess. I'd be inclined to hand them those shirts and work on that partnership. There's no reason why they shouldn't flourish and that can only help us longer term. | | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:48 - Apr 8 with 4044 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:40 - Apr 8 by portmanking |
Herby's right though, Greaves and O'Shea don't have the right balance as a centre back pairing. Both want to attack the ball and leave us vulnerable in behind. However, that should be less of an issue in the Championship... |
I do think we need to be wary of conceding too many goals still. We conceded 57 goals last time out at this level - automatically promoted teams have only conceded 50+ goals twice in the last 10 years. You'd like to think we will score plenty of goals again but the basis for a successful team is nearly always started from a strong defensive base. | | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:56 - Apr 8 with 3931 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Tuanzebe is a great player, but his injury record does hamper us at times. We might be better investing in someone less injury prone.
I think Burgess will be a modern day version of the Delaney story.
Hope O'Shea stays. I guess Brentford might come back in for him, or maybe Bournemouth. |  |
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| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:06 - Apr 8 with 3807 views | portmanking |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:56 - Apr 8 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Tuanzebe is a great player, but his injury record does hamper us at times. We might be better investing in someone less injury prone.
I think Burgess will be a modern day version of the Delaney story.
Hope O'Shea stays. I guess Brentford might come back in for him, or maybe Bournemouth. |
Nah, I don't see O'Shea playing for Brentford or Bournemouth. He's not good enough on the ball IMO. The only way he leaves is if another promoted team wants him, but he may decide to finally put some roots down somewhere. | | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:07 - Apr 8 with 3794 views | JakeITFC |
I think tbh that either:
Axel O'Shea Greaves Davis
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Johnson Woolf Burgess Townsend
Are good enough first choice defences for Championship level. We'll end up with some combo of the above and it'll be supplemented with good players if needed. Centre midfield and upfront much bigger issues to solve imo. |  | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:09 - Apr 8 with 3752 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
In 23/24 Greaves was right at the top of the division for, shots blocked, clearances, aerial Duels won, ground duels won. He was very dominant in these areas. And lest we forget he was in the team of the season. We saw the good parts of Greaves at the start of this season but we have seen some bad bits post injury. But he is still a very good player for that level who can still step up, he is only young.
If DOS stays, which I think and hope he will. Greaves and DOS is a very strong championship pairing. [Post edited 8 Apr 10:11]
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| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:42 - Apr 8 with 3500 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:07 - Apr 8 by JakeITFC |
I think tbh that either:
Axel O'Shea Greaves Davis
or
Johnson Woolf Burgess Townsend
Are good enough first choice defences for Championship level. We'll end up with some combo of the above and it'll be supplemented with good players if needed. Centre midfield and upfront much bigger issues to solve imo. |
That midfield two really is the area where we need to (and suspect will) spend money. Wouldn't surprise me to see us spend £20-£25m there across two players if needs be. | | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:44 - Apr 8 with 3470 views | Sharkey |
Not just start regularly, but also get to live in a different part of Europe (he probably won't be here for ever) , learn a new language, enjoy some sunshine in training. |  | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:53 - Apr 8 with 3398 views | bournemouthblue |
No one has laid a glove on Axel defensively at right back, we probably had a phase of Brandon Williams starting to look quite good but then obviously that fell off a cliff
Axel defensively is a rock and helps a lot from set pieces as well, going forward we were better with Clarke but much like Leif we were very vulnerable down the flanks |  |
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| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:55 - Apr 8 with 3376 views | bournemouthblue |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 09:38 - Apr 8 by _clive_baker_ |
I hope we hang on to O'Shea, he's a proper defender. I think he could be massive for us next season and one we wouldn't need to recycle if we went back up. He's a premier league player. Burgess would be a shame to see leave, but I wouldn't begrudge him it and life goes on. The whole Burgess / Greaves thing is a bit of an issue for us, depth is important but I prefer having a settled partnership in those positions. That's a potential benefit if Burgess does go, it would hopefully give O'Shea & Greaves a chance to build something next season and given their potential and age profiles its probably the right thing. |
O'Shea is a PL defender, we do need to keep him but if he wants a PL switch, we might have compromise and loan him out with a view to him rejoining when we are in the Prem | |
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| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:56 - Apr 8 with 3374 views | gsoly |
So odd that people only ever discuss players leaving in terms of playing/not playing. Burgess has played a solid amount of games this season while flying off to play for his country on a number of occasions. He's played plenty of football.
He's been at Ipswich for four years. He now has the chance to take his family to a beautiful part of Spain and experience something new. Can it not be as simple as that? And if you honestly think the club haven't spoken to Cam about a new deal and understand his wants, then you're utterly deluded. |  | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 11:02 - Apr 8 with 3327 views | portmanking |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:42 - Apr 8 by tractorboy1978 |
That midfield two really is the area where we need to (and suspect will) spend money. Wouldn't surprise me to see us spend £20-£25m there across two players if needs be. |
*If* (still a big if) Stoke go down, Wouter Burger will be available for £3m-£4m apparently. He'd be an absolute snip at that price. That leaves £15m-£20m for a long-term replacement for Morsy.
Burger has the same agent as Tyler Morton too, so I wonder if we could seal a deal for both at the £20m mark?! [Post edited 8 Apr 11:05]
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| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 11:14 - Apr 8 with 3233 views | Scuzzer |
Don't think Burgess going to a La Liga side is going to guarantee a start for him to be honest.
Woolfy and Greaves together would be fine...yes both , supposedly, ball playing central defenders.
Why would O'shea be off? Don't see it to be honest. |  |
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| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 11:20 - Apr 8 with 3195 views | gsoly |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 11:02 - Apr 8 by portmanking |
*If* (still a big if) Stoke go down, Wouter Burger will be available for £3m-£4m apparently. He'd be an absolute snip at that price. That leaves £15m-£20m for a long-term replacement for Morsy.
Burger has the same agent as Tyler Morton too, so I wonder if we could seal a deal for both at the £20m mark?! [Post edited 8 Apr 11:05]
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Burger's verging on a dream signing for that role I think. I'd also be very happy with Downes.
I'm intrigued by Morsy. My heart says he stays but this talk of a Saudi move isn't going away. | | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 11:24 - Apr 8 with 3175 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 11:20 - Apr 8 by gsoly |
Burger's verging on a dream signing for that role I think. I'd also be very happy with Downes.
I'm intrigued by Morsy. My heart says he stays but this talk of a Saudi move isn't going away. |
The talk is all generated by people speculating rather than any recent reported interest. I'd personally be very surprised if he has a particularly lucrative offer on the table this summer. | | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 12:22 - Apr 8 with 2913 views | BloomBlue |
O'Shea's problem could be he has 2 relegations on his CV (poss 3 with WBA). You reach a point in life where people look at your history and start to ask, why that many relegations.
Will a promoted side take a gamble? |  | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 12:31 - Apr 8 with 2832 views | Herbivore |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 12:22 - Apr 8 by BloomBlue |
O'Shea's problem could be he has 2 relegations on his CV (poss 3 with WBA). You reach a point in life where people look at your history and start to ask, why that many relegations.
Will a promoted side take a gamble? |
We did with Hermann and it worked out pretty well (in his first season at least). | |
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| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 12:36 - Apr 8 with 2800 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 12:22 - Apr 8 by BloomBlue |
O'Shea's problem could be he has 2 relegations on his CV (poss 3 with WBA). You reach a point in life where people look at your history and start to ask, why that many relegations.
Will a promoted side take a gamble? |
I like that line of thought - let's keep it going, as it suits our agenda  | | | |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 12:50 - Apr 8 with 2725 views | bournemouthblue |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 11:14 - Apr 8 by Scuzzer |
Don't think Burgess going to a La Liga side is going to guarantee a start for him to be honest.
Woolfy and Greaves together would be fine...yes both , supposedly, ball playing central defenders.
Why would O'shea be off? Don't see it to be honest. |
He's a PL defender, he joined us to be in the PL.agsin
I like him a lot but if he does want to move, I'd definitely consider a loan with no option to buy
That would be the compromise I would take | |
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| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 12:55 - Apr 8 with 2667 views | bournemouthblue |
| Potentially our 3 most premier defenders leaving on 10:06 - Apr 8 by portmanking |
Nah, I don't see O'Shea playing for Brentford or Bournemouth. He's not good enough on the ball IMO. The only way he leaves is if another promoted team wants him, but he may decide to finally put some roots down somewhere. |
He's a classic no-nonsense centre back but is 100% a PL defender and someone will want him | |
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