| Football is a horrible business now isn't it 23:12 - Apr 9 with 2551 views | NeedhamChris |
Liam Delap and his camp will probably have known for a while now that ITFC getting relegated is much more lucrative for him than it is us surviving. So whilst we go down, he is a big winner.
I'm sure he still tried his best, but the money does make it all quite twisted. His agent will be very happy. |  |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 07:39 - Apr 10 with 2186 views | Wacko |
He might well have gone even if we'd stayed up, with a bigger transfer fee and therefore larger signing on fee | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 07:48 - Apr 10 with 2139 views | NeedhamChris |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 07:39 - Apr 10 by Wacko |
He might well have gone even if we'd stayed up, with a bigger transfer fee and therefore larger signing on fee |
That's not how signing on fees work.
The smaller the fee - the more of a bidding war on terms like wages and a signing on fee.
See Mbappes £150m signing on fee when he was a free transfer. | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 08:18 - Apr 10 with 2015 views | _clive_baker_ |
Doubtful, I would’ve thought he (and others) would’ve had very juicy bonuses triggered if we stayed up for a start. He’s due for a big pay day whether we command £30m or £50m, and there would’ve been demand from multiple clubs regardless. I would think it makes little odds to the terms he’ll get negotiated for him at his next club. |  | | |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 08:22 - Apr 10 with 1995 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Even if we stayed up Liam would have got a move and a bigger contract. He has always gone out and played hard and done all he can to win, its not great for us but I'm happy for him that he will get a chance to play at the top level most likely. He deserves it, quality footballer. |  |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 08:29 - Apr 10 with 1950 views | homer_123 |
Why is it more lucrative if we go down? |  |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 08:44 - Apr 10 with 1865 views | Zx1988 |
As far as hot takes go, this is up there with 'Marcus Evans is using ITFC to make more money by reducing his tax bill'. | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 08:44 - Apr 10 with 1861 views | MattinLondon |
I’m sorry but I have absolutely no idea what point you’re trying to make. |  | | |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 08:51 - Apr 10 with 1818 views | Herbivore |
More trolling. Great. |  |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 09:46 - Apr 10 with 1699 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 08:44 - Apr 10 by MattinLondon |
I’m sorry but I have absolutely no idea what point you’re trying to make. |
Something to do with comparing Mbappe having the choice of every club on the planet on a free transfer to 12 premier league goal Delap moving for £30m I think. | | | |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 09:55 - Apr 10 with 1659 views | Ryorry |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 09:46 - Apr 10 by _clive_baker_ |
Something to do with comparing Mbappe having the choice of every club on the planet on a free transfer to 12 premier league goal Delap moving for £30m I think. |
And offering a backhanded compliment ("I'm sure he tried his best")  |  |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 09:56 - Apr 10 with 1652 views | Herbivore |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 09:55 - Apr 10 by Ryorry |
And offering a backhanded compliment ("I'm sure he tried his best") |
He's just pushing to see what he can get away with at this point. No point meaningfully engaging with it. | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:11 - Apr 10 with 1597 views | NeedhamChris |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 08:29 - Apr 10 by homer_123 |
Why is it more lucrative if we go down? |
I don't really understand the grief this is getting - but you've engaged with a fair question so will explain the thinking.
If we agree that;
a) Delap is likely worth £50-60m+ on an open market (without clauses)
b) Delap will now be available for £30m
c) More clubs will be able to afford £30m than £60m
If the above are true - then Delap's agent is not going to let them all save the £30m+ - he's going to be a rich man indeed as that money will then be used in the bidding war for his signature. | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:13 - Apr 10 with 1561 views | PhilTWTD |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:11 - Apr 10 by NeedhamChris |
I don't really understand the grief this is getting - but you've engaged with a fair question so will explain the thinking.
If we agree that;
a) Delap is likely worth £50-60m+ on an open market (without clauses)
b) Delap will now be available for £30m
c) More clubs will be able to afford £30m than £60m
If the above are true - then Delap's agent is not going to let them all save the £30m+ - he's going to be a rich man indeed as that money will then be used in the bidding war for his signature. |
Indeed, player and agent will be the subject of the bidding war rather than the club. |  | | |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:16 - Apr 10 with 1531 views | NthQldITFC |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 08:44 - Apr 10 by MattinLondon |
I’m sorry but I have absolutely no idea what point you’re trying to make. |
I do. |  |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:29 - Apr 10 with 1483 views | NeedhamChris |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 09:55 - Apr 10 by Ryorry |
And offering a backhanded compliment ("I'm sure he tried his best") |
I'm sure he did. If anything - think you could accuse him of trying too hard at times.
Do you think his agent minds that we are going down though? It's a win for them. | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:37 - Apr 10 with 1432 views | NeedhamChris |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 09:56 - Apr 10 by Herbivore |
He's just pushing to see what he can get away with at this point. No point meaningfully engaging with it. |
If this (and your other unnecessary post calling me a troll) is how you intend to engage on threads I post - can I politely ask that you don't engage with them at all. Fair enough a few people have disagreed (no issue with that) - but you're the only one who has felt the need to be outright unpleasant. | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:51 - Apr 10 with 1359 views | Benters |
But that’s modern football for you,and it’s been like that for a fair while now. |  |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:52 - Apr 10 with 1330 views | J2BLUE |
They would have known that but at the same time he has to have tried his best to help us stay up to prove himself.
I think he's just young enough and good enough to be in a win win situation. His agent may well be every pleased but for a young competitive player he's going to give 100%. |  |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:53 - Apr 10 with 1330 views | NeedhamChris |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:51 - Apr 10 by Benters |
But that’s modern football for you,and it’s been like that for a fair while now. |
Agreed - just been a while since we've been at the top table to experience it first hand at such a scale. | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 11:38 - Apr 10 with 1162 views | Benters |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:53 - Apr 10 by NeedhamChris |
Agreed - just been a while since we've been at the top table to experience it first hand at such a scale. |
The more successful you become the more everything goes up,the more you have to spend,if you don’t you can’t compete.
Do they still do a pint and a pie for a fiver in the stadium? | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 11:40 - Apr 10 with 1155 views | homer_123 |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:11 - Apr 10 by NeedhamChris |
I don't really understand the grief this is getting - but you've engaged with a fair question so will explain the thinking.
If we agree that;
a) Delap is likely worth £50-60m+ on an open market (without clauses)
b) Delap will now be available for £30m
c) More clubs will be able to afford £30m than £60m
If the above are true - then Delap's agent is not going to let them all save the £30m+ - he's going to be a rich man indeed as that money will then be used in the bidding war for his signature. |
"Liam Delap and his camp will probably have known for a while now that ITFC getting relegated is much more lucrative for him than it is us surviving. So whilst we go down, he is a big winner."
So, I get that, no issues and understand what you are saying. My point is, relegation has no bearing on this, in any way.
If we stay up, his clause is X, if we go down, his clause is still the same X. His agent and and Delap would stand to make the same out of a bidding war either way.
So my question remains, how does relegation mean it's more profitable? [Post edited 10 Apr 11:41]
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 11:41 - Apr 10 with 1143 views | Herbivore |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 10:37 - Apr 10 by NeedhamChris |
If this (and your other unnecessary post calling me a troll) is how you intend to engage on threads I post - can I politely ask that you don't engage with them at all. Fair enough a few people have disagreed (no issue with that) - but you're the only one who has felt the need to be outright unpleasant. |
Sure, you can ask. It's a free country. | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 11:46 - Apr 10 with 1103 views | Benters |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 11:41 - Apr 10 by Herbivore |
Sure, you can ask. It's a free country. |
Don’t be a meanie. | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 11:56 - Apr 10 with 1062 views | NeedhamChris |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 11:40 - Apr 10 by homer_123 |
"Liam Delap and his camp will probably have known for a while now that ITFC getting relegated is much more lucrative for him than it is us surviving. So whilst we go down, he is a big winner."
So, I get that, no issues and understand what you are saying. My point is, relegation has no bearing on this, in any way.
If we stay up, his clause is X, if we go down, his clause is still the same X. His agent and and Delap would stand to make the same out of a bidding war either way.
So my question remains, how does relegation mean it's more profitable? [Post edited 10 Apr 11:41]
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But the 30m release clause is only activated by being relegated? | |
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| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 12:14 - Apr 10 with 977 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Football is a horrible business now isn't it on 11:56 - Apr 10 by NeedhamChris |
But the 30m release clause is only activated by being relegated? |
I think the point is that we were likely going to sell him regardless, and its been widely rumoured that certain clauses exist that would've made it hard to hang on to him whether we finish 17th or 18th. The only question really was how much we get.
I think your point in principle rings true, its fundamental market economics of supply and demand. The lower the price on his head, theoretically the more demand. The more demand, the stronger his negotiating position.
What I struggle with is whether in 'real life' it'll be true in this scenario. Its not like Messi running his contract down. £30m is still a considered purchase and not an insignificant fee. Its likely to be the same sides interested in him at that price as would've been at £40m or £50m and I dare say his destination might be the same. He'll get a fat signing on fee and wage in both scenarios and I'm not convinced he or his agent could reliably quantify the benefit to them of a £30m sale or £50m sale. Conversely anything based off a % of the sale price is worse for them, and I imagine he had a healthy 'staying up' bonus in the contract.
Ultimately I think its a bit of a moot point. What's for sure is the loser in this scenario is us and to a lesser degree Man City. But I dare say that clause was something we couldn't avoid, there's no upside for a club to have it in there. | | | |
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