| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? 08:34 - Apr 10 with 2242 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Forgive me as not hugely up to speed on how the PSR regulations work… but after last summers outlay, will we have to sell before we can buy this summer?
If so… who do we think?
- Omari? Someone like Bournemouth May fancy him for £25m or so
- Muric - probably try and claw back 4m or so from him
- Leif - if Leeds go up I think they’ll go back for him even though he hasn’t se things alight this season. Probably 12-15m now
- AAH - Probably do well to break even on him at about 2m |  | | |  |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:40 - Apr 10 with 2187 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I think we should wait for the summer and see what Ashton says and what actually happens rather than starting our summer speculation with so many games still to go.
No one here knows anything at all, the Guardian don't *know* what the release clause is, or the terms of it. For all we know the release clause could be £30m upfront with additional bonuses for goals or international appearances.
It's also important to remember that any release clause would have been insisted on by Delap and his representation, it might have been the only way to get him. |  |
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| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:41 - Apr 10 with 2188 views | Herbivore |
Not necessarily. With the profile of player we signed this season, I imagine our wage bill is not that horrific. If we only sell Delap it might limit our ability to spend much so we may look to shift a couple more so we can refresh the squad.
I can see Omari going for close to £30m. He's not done as well as we might have hoped but when you look at what's being quoted for Dibling, who hasn't done a lot more than Hutch in terms of goal contributions, I think £30m should be what we hold out for. Davis I think will still be more like £20m. Full backs that can offer what he does going forward command a premium and his chance creation stats this season are still very good.
Muric might be a loan, possibly with an option to buy. I'd be surprised if we see someone shell out for him permanently. Al Hamidi could well stay as a third choice option, we'd have to question if it's worth moving him on for a couple of million just to have to replace him. |  |
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| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:44 - Apr 10 with 2161 views | Edmundo |
A release clause does not mean a transfer ceiling. If Delap goes it'll be for a far higher fee: I'd bet my season ticket on it. |  |
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| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:48 - Apr 10 with 2099 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:44 - Apr 10 by Edmundo |
A release clause does not mean a transfer ceiling. If Delap goes it'll be for a far higher fee: I'd bet my season ticket on it. |
Why does no one on this board understand what a release clause means? | |
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| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:48 - Apr 10 with 2103 views | Herbivore |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:44 - Apr 10 by Edmundo |
A release clause does not mean a transfer ceiling. If Delap goes it'll be for a far higher fee: I'd bet my season ticket on it. |
Why would someone pay more than his release clause? The bidding war will be for Delap's contract, he'll be the beneficiary, not us. We'll have to accept any bid of £30m if he has the release clause claimed, nobody is going to pay more than that when they don't have to. | |
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| I’ll take that bet…. on 08:51 - Apr 10 with 2051 views | Bloots |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:44 - Apr 10 by Edmundo |
A release clause does not mean a transfer ceiling. If Delap goes it'll be for a far higher fee: I'd bet my season ticket on it. |
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| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 09:00 - Apr 10 with 1978 views | Rozz |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:44 - Apr 10 by Edmundo |
A release clause does not mean a transfer ceiling. If Delap goes it'll be for a far higher fee: I'd bet my season ticket on it. |
I keep seeing this and can't work out if there's something I'm missing or if people are just in denial.
Nobody is paying over the release clause fee to the parent club. We must accept any + all bids that meet the terms of the clause. Those teams will then do their bidding via personal terms, wages and bonuses to the player, who has the decision.
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To the OP, I have always expected Delap and Omari to leave, although the latter depends on a sizeable bid coming in. I think he could be one that agitates for a move if KM leaves.
Davis is such a weapon in the Championship you'd be reluctant to let him go.
O'Shea is being sized up for the captaincy but he might fancy another relegation season with one of the promoted sides.
A season in the Championship could be perfect for Muric. He has good attributes, could build the other side of his game with a bit more time and space.
AAH would make no sense. He's young, scored goals for fun at lower levels, and has been managing a pretty major injury. Costs nothing to keep around so probably has another couple of loan spells before we make a decision IMO. |  | | |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 09:03 - Apr 10 with 1939 views | NedPlimpton |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:44 - Apr 10 by Edmundo |
A release clause does not mean a transfer ceiling. If Delap goes it'll be for a far higher fee: I'd bet my season ticket on it. |
When have you ever gone into a shop and paid more than the advertised price? |  | | |
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| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 09:14 - Apr 10 with 1895 views | Guthrum |
It may happen, but I doubt we'd be forced to, given we will have parachute payments and an already healthy financial/investment situation. Costs will reduce as well (e.g. relegation clauses for player wages).
The club's planning in case of relegation will have been going on before we even signed Delap, let alone finding out how good he really is at Prem level. They will have factored in the effect of his contract from the start. It would have been foolish to bet the club's security on getting a big fee for him, knowing everything they did. I suspect that's what Ashton meant by being very well protected. |  |
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| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 09:25 - Apr 10 with 1833 views | Jon_456 |
While obviously spending a hefty amount in transfer fees, we sensibly kept our wage budget down which undoubtedly limited us last summer but means we’re in quite a healthy position despite being relegated.
I imagine if the right offers come in we may look to offload 2-4 players but I’m pretty confident we’ll be looking to strengthen the squad once again. |  | | |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 09:51 - Apr 10 with 1694 views | bluebud |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:41 - Apr 10 by Herbivore |
Not necessarily. With the profile of player we signed this season, I imagine our wage bill is not that horrific. If we only sell Delap it might limit our ability to spend much so we may look to shift a couple more so we can refresh the squad.
I can see Omari going for close to £30m. He's not done as well as we might have hoped but when you look at what's being quoted for Dibling, who hasn't done a lot more than Hutch in terms of goal contributions, I think £30m should be what we hold out for. Davis I think will still be more like £20m. Full backs that can offer what he does going forward command a premium and his chance creation stats this season are still very good.
Muric might be a loan, possibly with an option to buy. I'd be surprised if we see someone shell out for him permanently. Al Hamidi could well stay as a third choice option, we'd have to question if it's worth moving him on for a couple of million just to have to replace him. |
Good post though Davis will never go for £20m lol. He was great last season and was one of our weapons...though his defensive work last year was also poor but we could ride that out with all the goals we scored of which he contributed massively with his assists.
This season the more infrequent unsuccesfull marauding runs are punctuated with chances and goals for the opposition. When he stays back and defends that often was punctuated by a mistake, chance or goal for the opposition also.
Good runner, poor defender. He'll go for closer to 10 million if we're lucky. |  | | |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 10:30 - Apr 10 with 1617 views | Herbivore |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 09:51 - Apr 10 by bluebud |
Good post though Davis will never go for £20m lol. He was great last season and was one of our weapons...though his defensive work last year was also poor but we could ride that out with all the goals we scored of which he contributed massively with his assists.
This season the more infrequent unsuccesfull marauding runs are punctuated with chances and goals for the opposition. When he stays back and defends that often was punctuated by a mistake, chance or goal for the opposition also.
Good runner, poor defender. He'll go for closer to 10 million if we're lucky. |
Disagree. The criticism of Davis this season has been way over the top. He'll still have suitors and the chances of us being willing to let him go for close to £10m are pretty much zero. | |
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| Well, no on 10:32 - Apr 10 with 1599 views | Dyland |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:44 - Apr 10 by Edmundo |
A release clause does not mean a transfer ceiling. If Delap goes it'll be for a far higher fee: I'd bet my season ticket on it. |
A assumed that and a couple of friendly posters explained, very politely, why I was being a dumbass :) |  |
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| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 11:18 - Apr 10 with 1438 views | norfsufblue |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 08:48 - Apr 10 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Why does no one on this board understand what a release clause means? |
Might and i accept im just hoping here that we might also be able to to negotiate an exclusivity fee here?... who knows how contracts are set up?... could also give reason for MA 's "well protected " statement? |  | | |
| Well, no on 11:22 - Apr 10 with 1430 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Well, no on 10:32 - Apr 10 by Dyland |
A assumed that and a couple of friendly posters explained, very politely, why I was being a dumbass :) |
OK, so I don't think it's as simple as this - Herbivore and I disagree on this, but amicably closed it out as agreeing to disagree  .
In my opinion (with some experience of writing complex contracts, albeit not football contracts), it will depend on any other related clauses.
If there is a clause that says something like :
'In the event of the club being relegated at the end of season 2024/25, and the club receiving an unconditional offer for the player of at least £30,000,000, then said player may enter negotiations of personal terms, and on successful conclusion of personal terms, must be released from their contract with the club"
If this clause stands in isolation, then Delap will be sold at £30M, and no more - even if other clubs show interest.
However, there may be other clauses that are triggered by the release clause, for example :
"In the event of x.x.x Release Clause, the club has the right to :
a) solicit improved offers from other clubs
b) insert a sell-on of 50% of any future sales
c) ... "
The language would be far more intricate as a legal document, but you'll get the gist of what I'm suggestion.
This is all speculation on my part, and we'll have to wait to see what happens with any sale, but no-one can really have any idea of how a Delep sale will go without having the FULL contract in front of them. Snippets that may have been released to the media are just that - small headlines in isolation.
I'm not trying to put positive spin on the situation - just adding some balance, and suggesting that nothing can be concluded without intimate knowledge of the entire contract(s). | | | |
| Well, no on 11:47 - Apr 10 with 1335 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Well, no on 11:22 - Apr 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
OK, so I don't think it's as simple as this - Herbivore and I disagree on this, but amicably closed it out as agreeing to disagree .
In my opinion (with some experience of writing complex contracts, albeit not football contracts), it will depend on any other related clauses.
If there is a clause that says something like :
'In the event of the club being relegated at the end of season 2024/25, and the club receiving an unconditional offer for the player of at least £30,000,000, then said player may enter negotiations of personal terms, and on successful conclusion of personal terms, must be released from their contract with the club"
If this clause stands in isolation, then Delap will be sold at £30M, and no more - even if other clubs show interest.
However, there may be other clauses that are triggered by the release clause, for example :
"In the event of x.x.x Release Clause, the club has the right to :
a) solicit improved offers from other clubs
b) insert a sell-on of 50% of any future sales
c) ... "
The language would be far more intricate as a legal document, but you'll get the gist of what I'm suggestion.
This is all speculation on my part, and we'll have to wait to see what happens with any sale, but no-one can really have any idea of how a Delep sale will go without having the FULL contract in front of them. Snippets that may have been released to the media are just that - small headlines in isolation.
I'm not trying to put positive spin on the situation - just adding some balance, and suggesting that nothing can be concluded without intimate knowledge of the entire contract(s). |
I think you may be over-thinking this |  |
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| Well, no on 12:02 - Apr 10 with 1254 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Well, no on 11:47 - Apr 10 by Swansea_Blue |
I think you may be over-thinking this |
How is it over-thinking it?
I'm just postulating an alternative scenario that illustrates why people jumping to conclusions without all the facts is flawed. Yes, my hypothesis may be off the mark, but so might it be for those assuming it's a guaranteed £30M max. | | | |
| Well, no on 12:19 - Apr 10 with 1201 views | Rozz |
| Well, no on 12:02 - Apr 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
How is it over-thinking it?
I'm just postulating an alternative scenario that illustrates why people jumping to conclusions without all the facts is flawed. Yes, my hypothesis may be off the mark, but so might it be for those assuming it's a guaranteed £30M max. |
I don't think anyone's doubting that there will be additional clauses between us and the player that boost the value long term for us (sell ons, etc). It could also be an upfront fee. We mere mortals are never likely to know the granular detail.
The premise being challenged though is that we'd somehow still have a bidding war from multiple clubs over and above the value needed to trigger the release clause. | | | |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 13:26 - Apr 10 with 1072 views | monty_radio |
Is it just me that finds it irritating when an Original Post, framed in measured language with suggestions inserted that come with question marks to promote debate, gets downvoted by some posters who rarely offer an opinion? | |
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| Well, no on 13:47 - Apr 10 with 982 views | farkenhell |
| Well, no on 11:47 - Apr 10 by Swansea_Blue |
I think you may be over-thinking this |
I don't think he is overthinking it. All he is saying is that there may be other clauses in the contract that strengthen the club's hand and/or dampen some of the frustrations that we are feeling if there is a release clause that has been set at £30 million. | | | |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 13:49 - Apr 10 with 971 views | farkenhell |
| Does the delap fee / margin mean we’ll be forced into other sales? on 13:26 - Apr 10 by monty_radio |
Is it just me that finds it irritating when an Original Post, framed in measured language with suggestions inserted that come with question marks to promote debate, gets downvoted by some posters who rarely offer an opinion? |
Good point. I can't see anything wrong with the op. | | | |
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