| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? 13:55 - Apr 24 with 2694 views | Blue_In_Boston |
Listening to a debate this morning on it. Fans accept players being moved on who might not cut it, or be out of their depth at a higher level. Apparently in American sport it isn't uncommon to replace a manager or coach once they have achieved their target and replace them with a proven successor.
It's an interesting topic, a bit like the 'Peter Principle where employee's get promoted to their level of incompetence. I know where I used to work there was plenty of that that went on! |  | | |  |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 14:14 - Apr 24 with 2644 views | Zx1988 |
It's an interesting one.
He's clearly a very competent Championship-level coach, but has yet to replicate anywhere near that sort of form in the Premier League.
The only question is whether his PL struggles are as a result of his own limitations, or because of Norwich's unique 'take the money and spend it all on cooking sherry' approach of previous PL campaigns. | |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 14:28 - Apr 24 with 2599 views | textbackup |
As said yesterday, I actually admire them if they go down that route.
Twice he’s failed to keep a team in the PL, if there is someone that’ll help them achieve that better, surely they should be brought in |  |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 14:32 - Apr 24 with 2596 views | _clive_baker_ |
I think it would be incredibly harsh on Farke, but that doesn't mean its madness necessarily. Having got them up I think he deserves a chance at that level, I would certainly expect it in his shoes.
It wouldn't necessarily be the wrong call though if they deem there to be better alternatives out there who are more likely to attract players and get them competitive in the premier league.
Its probably a poor analogy but you know when managers change a keeper for a penalty shootout. On a human level I think its pretty poor form on the guy coming off, but if they believe the replacement has a particular skill set that's better suited to the challenge they're about to face then you can see the logic. |  | | |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 14:42 - Apr 24 with 2533 views | giant_stow |
I think it would be a pretty sh1tty thing to do really and even on its own terms, might easily backfire if they hired a dud to replace him. It would also give future potential managers & players something to consider. |  |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 14:52 - Apr 24 with 2494 views | iamipswich |
I'd be interested to know if people would take him here if McKenna was pinched by a Bournemouth or Brentford. |  |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 14:52 - Apr 24 with 2494 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
It's one of those that if it at the end of next season it worked because Leeds have stayed up, then it will be deemed as a decision that has worked out in their favour, but if they go down with a whimper, then the discussions will be 'why wasn't Farke given a chance off the back of getting them promoted?'.
I can see both sides of it with this one though. He didn't have a great record with Norwich in the PL, though they spent very little and didn't really give him the tools to compete. If they could appoint a name with good experience at getting results in the PL and back the manager, then it would probably give them a better chance. |  |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 15:21 - Apr 24 with 2372 views | homer_123 |
The big question is are they geared up to simply bring someone better in?
We've just shown that £110m doesn't buy you a place at the table. Leeds have a very decent Champ squad but £110m isn't going to get them at a level much above us, if at all.
If they go down this route, then you are bringing someone in to simply keep them up. Say a Sean Dyche, or maybe a Southgate or possibly Ten Haag - do they then do the same again, once they stay up they go again?
The other issue with this approach is that it means a wholesale overhaul of the squad as you aren't building (like Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth and to an extent us), so you are needing to hit the ground running with transfers etc. |  |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 16:33 - Apr 24 with 2222 views | mellowblue |
A team who are 80% likely to be relegated are going to struggle to attract successful proven Prem managers. They are already in employment elsewhere. The only ones available are guys who have been recently sacked and are probably no more worthwhile than Farke. | | | |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 16:44 - Apr 24 with 2201 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 15:21 - Apr 24 by homer_123 |
The big question is are they geared up to simply bring someone better in?
We've just shown that £110m doesn't buy you a place at the table. Leeds have a very decent Champ squad but £110m isn't going to get them at a level much above us, if at all.
If they go down this route, then you are bringing someone in to simply keep them up. Say a Sean Dyche, or maybe a Southgate or possibly Ten Haag - do they then do the same again, once they stay up they go again?
The other issue with this approach is that it means a wholesale overhaul of the squad as you aren't building (like Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth and to an extent us), so you are needing to hit the ground running with transfers etc. |
Southgate does live just round the corner… | | | |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 17:58 - Apr 24 with 2110 views | StNeotsBlue |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 14:52 - Apr 24 by iamipswich |
I'd be interested to know if people would take him here if McKenna was pinched by a Bournemouth or Brentford. |
Farke that! |  | | |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 19:00 - Apr 24 with 1997 views | stonojnr |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 14:52 - Apr 24 by iamipswich |
I'd be interested to know if people would take him here if McKenna was pinched by a Bournemouth or Brentford. |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 19:07 - Apr 24 with 1980 views | Stenvict |
I would say nowadays it's down to the players at the club rather than the manager. Most of us know McKenna is an extremely good manager that should be managing in the PL, but ultimately, this year he hasn't succeeded. But I'd say that is down to the players at his disposal.
Farke probably wouldn't mind getting a pay off, and potentially joining a mid-lower PL team mid season if his stock remains high.
We all know the 3 promoted teams have a thankless task competing next season in the PL. | |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 19:11 - Apr 24 with 1971 views | MK1 |
I'm not against the idea, as long as the replacement is "a proven successor". Who is available that has that? If they go for someone who hasn't any or very limited PL experience then I would (if I were a Leeds fan, which luckily I ain't) then I would rather stick with Farke for the first 10 games or so. Of the sides to go up, I hope Leeds are the ones who stay up. Compared to half the Pl clubs at the moment, Leeds are definitely worthy of a spot amongst them. |  |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 19:16 - Apr 24 with 1953 views | MK1 |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 14:52 - Apr 24 by iamipswich |
I'd be interested to know if people would take him here if McKenna was pinched by a Bournemouth or Brentford. |
We have had one of theirs before. Look how that worked out. | |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 19:25 - Apr 24 with 1926 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 16:33 - Apr 24 by mellowblue |
A team who are 80% likely to be relegated are going to struggle to attract successful proven Prem managers. They are already in employment elsewhere. The only ones available are guys who have been recently sacked and are probably no more worthwhile than Farke. |
One of the rumours is Mourinho. They’d be mad to do that. I couldn’t think of a worse fit for them (even if somehow they could persuade him to give up European football). His style is the antithesis of what Leeds are about too. |  |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 19:31 - Apr 24 with 1904 views | textbackup |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 19:25 - Apr 24 by Swansea_Blue |
One of the rumours is Mourinho. They’d be mad to do that. I couldn’t think of a worse fit for them (even if somehow they could persuade him to give up European football). His style is the antithesis of what Leeds are about too. |
I actually think JM at Leeds would be a decent fit. Proper them against us | |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 01:10 - Apr 25 with 1663 views | Rozz |
Small sample size but my Leeds contingent friends are worried he’s not tactically up to the challenge, and right now they just have better players than a very weak Championship. |  | | |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 08:03 - Apr 25 with 1337 views | vapour_trail |
Given they’ve sparked a debate on this by even considering it, he’s on an absolute hiding to nothing now if they do let him start the season.
He’ll be gone by November. |  |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 08:20 - Apr 25 with 1292 views | DanTheMan |
I can see why they'd do it, but it doesn't sit right with me. |  |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 08:43 - Apr 25 with 1234 views | Zx1988 |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 14:52 - Apr 24 by iamipswich |
I'd be interested to know if people would take him here if McKenna was pinched by a Bournemouth or Brentford. |
If he didn't have his Norwich history, absolutely - the chap has proven that he knows his way around/out of the Championship time and time again.
Unfortunately his Norwich history would put him on a hiding to nothing. | |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 09:20 - Apr 25 with 1160 views | Churchman |
They should give him a chance. I understand that some managers are great at getting teams promoted but can’t do it in the top division. Mick McCarthy is a classic example. I too know about people being promoted to their level of incompetence. Saw a lot of that.
However, Farke has got them back up. Despite resembling the first bloke that goes to the electric chair in Green Mile, he’s a good manager and I’ve no doubt will have learned from the past..
The risk of swapping for a Carlos Managerlotti is that there is no guarantee he will do any better, given how the PL and football works.
My Leeds chum would like to see him replaced, but then he works for a German company and likes sauerkraut so what does he know? |  | | |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 09:45 - Apr 25 with 1103 views | JammyDodgerrr |
I think it's pretty smart to be honest. I can't remember who but teams have done it before.
They are probably looking at his record and going, okay, there is a real possibility after 10/15 games we need to move this guy on because he isn't up to it. And as others have pointed out, you then don't have the right players for the new manager etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do it, and I wouldn't blame them either. |  |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 09:50 - Apr 25 with 1095 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 19:31 - Apr 24 by textbackup |
I actually think JM at Leeds would be a decent fit. Proper them against us |
Yes, he’d certainly tick the mentality box. Would Leeds fans accept turgid, attritional football? Maybe if it kept them up. Who knows. It seems an unlikely link. | |
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| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 10:46 - Apr 25 with 1014 views | Chris_ITFC |
I hope they don’t.
The Premier League pundits offer so little insight, it’ll just be an open goal to do the “be careful what you wish for” all season if Leeds struggle (see Russell Martin, “they can’t keep playing like this”) - even though they may well have been in the exact same position, or worse, with Farke. |  | | |
| If Leeds remove Farke is that madness or innovative? on 16:32 - Apr 25 with 750 views | billlm |
He will deffinatly go,
He couldn't do it with Norwich,
I know he will have more money but they aren't in a position to waste it, |  | | |
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