| What signings do Town need in the summer? 08:16 - Apr 29 with 3763 views | bournemouthblue |
One or two new strikers
Two new central midfielders
A new defensively solid left back?
I don't see us selling a huge amount of players and are probably likely to recruit quite aggressively such is the lunacy of the parachute payment system
I have no idea what is happening with Al-Hamadi, in the Championship he does a job but wouldn't be surprised to see him go
We will need a replacement for Delap certainly, as Keiffer Moore proved, a dominant targetman is particularly useful against low block sides and we are going to get a tonne of those this season
We all know about central midfield, Morsy, Luongo, Taylor and Humphreys will need some help and we do need to trade up here
There's no guarantee we will sell Davis but Bonniface, Townsend and one other would work?
I appreciate Davis contributed a tonne of assists so he might be defensively questionable so a set piece taker would be particularly important
We need to be trading up on physicality, pace and agility ideally. We need a squad more ready for the PL than the last one we had imho. [Post edited 29 Apr 8:17]
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 08:53 - Apr 29 with 3051 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
The model adopted under GC20 is that every window we replace the weakest members of the squad with ones better than the best in the squad.
That is gonna be difficult to achieve, but as Joe Fairs said, the targets this season are "scary".
The biggest criticism , if that's the right word, is that several of our recruits last term were terriffic in the Champ, but didn't have the physicality for the Prem. I'd put Jaden, Omari, probably Clarke into that group. They will do well in the Champ, but if we are preparing for the Prem, we need to think about bringing in some more physical players, alongside them if not replacing them.
The ones who need to be upgraded / released are Luongo, H Clarke, Muric & Al Hamadi. I think Woolfy and Burge have been good whenever they've played, and overall I'm fairly happy with central defence. We need to keep O'Shea and Axel for sure. Greaves, jury is still out. Townsend has been superb, but is 32, would we want to be relying on a 33 year old left back going into PL next year? Him and Morsy will be good squad players for the Champ, but in line with the GC20 philosophy, they will need to be replaced within the year. Davies agian like Omari/Jaden, great in the Champ - would he have fared better in the PL with a stronger midfield? I think he has what it takes and may have been the victim of overly optimistic tactics in the PL.
Assuming Delap leaves, we obviously need a no 9 striker.
Loanees Phillips, Cajuste, Enciso will need to be replaced (would be happy if the latter two stayed).
So that's at least 7 or 8 new faces - the key thing being athletic and physical. I just hope we are looking abroad - if we have learned one thing this year it is that a Championship all-stars team just isn't good enough in the PL. Need to recruit players who are big, strong, fast, and if we are looking in the English leagues they will be too expensive. [Post edited 29 Apr 8:55]
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 08:56 - Apr 29 with 3018 views | BseaBlue |
Not sure why but my gut feeling is it could be three to four new central midfielders as well as two strikers as a minimum.
I'd imagine we will need one centre back to replace Burgess (two if O'Shea goes) and then potentially a right sided player to replace Tuanzebe.
Left back will depend on Leif but I did wonder whether Cam Humphreys might come in and compete for that position. |  | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:17 - Apr 29 with 2941 views | weepingx2018 |
I would get Moore back. |  | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:26 - Apr 29 with 2900 views | OldFart71 |
I think your statement that the midfield needs a bit of help is perhaps drastically understating the problems in midfield. Most likely Cajuste will go and definitely Phillips. Both Morsy and Loungo are now too slow, although I think Morsy will be used and Loungo moved on. That leaves Taylor who hasn't nailed down a place in two seasons and Humphreys who while he has done well on loan but it's debatable as to how good he will/can be. Striker wise as long as Hirst is still with us and Szmodics is fit then we will probably need a replacement for Delap. Also as you say a left fullback. | | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:41 - Apr 29 with 2862 views | _clive_baker_ |
Really depends on what happens with Burgess, Tuanzebe, Delap, potentially Davis, O'Shea and Hutchinson too, if any of those leave they'll need replacing. Ideally we keep as many as we possibly can.
There's a fair few that are predictably off, namely Godfrey, Cajuste, Phillips, Enciso, Luongo, Harness. Can't see any of those staying, and question marks over Al-Hamadi and Muric. Wouldn't surprise me if all of those leave.
I reckon we'll bring 3-4 on loan and at least the same again permanently, potentially more depending on departures. Going to be a fair amount of change but CM certainly looks to be the priority area at the moment with #9 a close second if / when Delap goes. |  | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:44 - Apr 29 with 2843 views | SomethingBlue |
We don't really know til we know who's left, though presumably the club have a fair idea of how things may pan out.
Definitely two central midfielders and one centre-forward, probably two. These are essential and they're the ones that really have to be spot on. There may not be too many other urgent priorities unless Davis leaves, to be honest. | |
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:49 - Apr 29 with 2813 views | CobboldCrusty |
I don't disagree with anything that's been said above. It's not so much a revamp as a natural state of quite a few leaving even barring an exodus where teams really go in for Omari, Davis, O'Shea (I don't think that will happen by the way)
But yes I don't know if we have a single midfielder as it stands (with loanees going) who is actually up to the quality needed to make us competitive at the top end of the Championship. That's not writing anyone off but I don't think we'll have the same x factor we had on the way up this time - there will need to be new bodies to propel us.
I know Palmer has been alright but I do fear we've got 3 GK's of relatively similar standard in the building at the moment and we're kind of just hoping one of them will be able to distinguish themselves. Palmer obviously has the gloves at the moment but I do think Muric still probably has the higher ceiling even if it seems also a lack of game intelligence. |  | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:57 - Apr 29 with 2773 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:17 - Apr 29 by weepingx2018 |
I would get Moore back. |
No thanks. he just had a terrible season.
I think if Davis stays there's no need for a new LB. Davis/Townsend/Boniface should be more than enough.
We need at least one striker, two if Delap goes, and then some new CMs. Dependant on movement at CB, we'll need at least one there as well, unless we're happy to use Baggott. |  |
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 11:31 - Apr 29 with 2568 views | Scuzzer |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:17 - Apr 29 by weepingx2018 |
I would get Moore back. |
He's probably past his best now unfortunately. |  |
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 13:01 - Apr 29 with 2374 views | wischip |
Scouts looking abroad is what we need. Finding players outside of the English league with Premiership potential that don't cost as much as the homegrown players we signed this season and that hopefully other clubs haven't seen yet. |  | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 13:10 - Apr 29 with 2331 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 13:01 - Apr 29 by wischip |
Scouts looking abroad is what we need. Finding players outside of the English league with Premiership potential that don't cost as much as the homegrown players we signed this season and that hopefully other clubs haven't seen yet. |
You're not wrong, but we don't have the network/infrastructure in place to effectively do this yet. It will come with the ambition the club has, but isn't a short-term solution. | | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 13:35 - Apr 29 with 2263 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:26 - Apr 29 by OldFart71 |
I think your statement that the midfield needs a bit of help is perhaps drastically understating the problems in midfield. Most likely Cajuste will go and definitely Phillips. Both Morsy and Loungo are now too slow, although I think Morsy will be used and Loungo moved on. That leaves Taylor who hasn't nailed down a place in two seasons and Humphreys who while he has done well on loan but it's debatable as to how good he will/can be. Striker wise as long as Hirst is still with us and Szmodics is fit then we will probably need a replacement for Delap. Also as you say a left fullback. |
We will definitely have to get midfield recruitment right next season as the current situation is a bit of a disaster. If we have any ambition to get immediately promoted from the Championship and hold our own in the Premiership, this is a critical area of focus. I believe we need two experienced and strong players ( I’m not convinced that Downes fits that brief but would no turn him down if available at a sensible price ). We should be prepared to splash the cash for two very good midfielders. We have gone for some potentially very good youngsters but as they are all lightweight Premier players ( a year in the Championship hopefully will sort this ) but we need a bit of steel and drive in Midfield now. Moray and Luongo had that on the way up but there are too many miles on the clock for both to be our spearhead back into the Premiership ( and beyond  ). We are going to have to replace the players that are leaving but I am less concerned about this with the exclusion of Delap’s replacement. We will have plenty of time to sort this but we need to get started on targets and have them ready for the new season. Think this might be a critical time in the clubs history and if we get it right we can be very competative at the top level.
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 13:59 - Apr 29 with 2180 views | Metal_Hacker |
Goes without saying and should’ve happened better than it had start of this season - the midfield is a massive problem for us. Was in the promotional season IMHO. We suffocated other teams with shapes and patterns of play but once we lost the ball we always looked likely to conceded. No different to this season , concede possession and we conceded a goal.
Athleticism and physicality in the middle this season is a huge requirement from me anyway
In addition and depending on “outs” , Leif to get his head space back and be allowed to from the fan base in terms of confidence and get back to what he’s good at , a striker when and if Delap goes and I still think a keeper is required. As much as my thoughts go with Muric being competent at Champ level we really can;t afford to catch a cold again. We need to start the season hitting the ground running if we’re to go up automatically.
Confidence is going to be huge next season and we’re lacking it right now , start well and were back to the same feelings we ALL had the previous TWO seasons
COYFB [Post edited 29 Apr 14:04]
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 15:05 - Apr 29 with 2014 views | rickw |
Assuming the loanees all go and Delap gets sold and Burgess, Tuanzebe and Harness all don't renew their contracts, we're left with
GK - Palmer, Walton, Muric, Slicker
RD - Johnson, H.Clarke
RCD - O'Shea, Woolfenden
LCD - Greaves, Baggott
LD - Davis, Townsend, Boniface
CM - Morsy, Luongo, Taylor, Humphries
LAM - J.Clarke, Philogene, Broadhead
CAM - Hutchison, Szmodics, Chaplin
RM - Burns, Ogbene
CF - Hirst, Al Hamadi
We're well covered in most areas - especially the AM's. I think we'll need to sell/loan out at least 1 keeper, I would give Baggott the chance to be cover for Greaves. I think we'll definitely need 1 more central mid - perhaps 2 if Luongo or Humphries leave. We'll also need a striker and I'd sell Al Hamadi. If O'Shea or Davis get sold then we'd need replacements, if Hutchison goes then I think we're still well covered in his positions. |  |
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 15:10 - Apr 29 with 1999 views | southnorfolkblue |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 13:01 - Apr 29 by wischip |
Scouts looking abroad is what we need. Finding players outside of the English league with Premiership potential that don't cost as much as the homegrown players we signed this season and that hopefully other clubs haven't seen yet. |
Personally don’t get the obsession with overseas recruitment. There are just as many duds as good uns and they potentially take longer to get used to English football. We have a squad that should hit the ground running next season | |
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 15:24 - Apr 29 with 1959 views | Kev_W |
Your last sentence is key. The task is to build a PL ready squad in the Championship but that is difficult as it means attracting 4 or 5 players in competition with PL and other well funded Championship clubs. It is made more difficult by our lack of reach to date into the market outside English football.
The midfield needs an almost complete rebuild assuming Cajuste and Phillips move on. The existing CM will be squad players and/or move on. We need two or more players capable of playing the pivot role in the PL and a more box to box style midfielder.
We will need a couple of strikers maybe more depending on who goes.
Don't see Davis going as his defensive work has not been up to PL standard and that will deter buyers at all but a bargain price. | | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 17:23 - Apr 29 with 1742 views | NthQldITFC |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 15:10 - Apr 29 by southnorfolkblue |
Personally don’t get the obsession with overseas recruitment. There are just as many duds as good uns and they potentially take longer to get used to English football. We have a squad that should hit the ground running next season |
I think the evidence is in the fact that every other Premier League club is made up primarily of overseas recruits. I say this empirically, I haven't actually checked that I'm not talking crap. |  |
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 17:47 - Apr 29 with 1670 views | cressi |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:17 - Apr 29 by weepingx2018 |
I would get Moore back. |
To paint the turnstiles. | | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 17:49 - Apr 29 with 1666 views | HighgateBlue |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 08:53 - Apr 29 by LegendofthePhoenix |
The model adopted under GC20 is that every window we replace the weakest members of the squad with ones better than the best in the squad.
That is gonna be difficult to achieve, but as Joe Fairs said, the targets this season are "scary".
The biggest criticism , if that's the right word, is that several of our recruits last term were terriffic in the Champ, but didn't have the physicality for the Prem. I'd put Jaden, Omari, probably Clarke into that group. They will do well in the Champ, but if we are preparing for the Prem, we need to think about bringing in some more physical players, alongside them if not replacing them.
The ones who need to be upgraded / released are Luongo, H Clarke, Muric & Al Hamadi. I think Woolfy and Burge have been good whenever they've played, and overall I'm fairly happy with central defence. We need to keep O'Shea and Axel for sure. Greaves, jury is still out. Townsend has been superb, but is 32, would we want to be relying on a 33 year old left back going into PL next year? Him and Morsy will be good squad players for the Champ, but in line with the GC20 philosophy, they will need to be replaced within the year. Davies agian like Omari/Jaden, great in the Champ - would he have fared better in the PL with a stronger midfield? I think he has what it takes and may have been the victim of overly optimistic tactics in the PL.
Assuming Delap leaves, we obviously need a no 9 striker.
Loanees Phillips, Cajuste, Enciso will need to be replaced (would be happy if the latter two stayed).
So that's at least 7 or 8 new faces - the key thing being athletic and physical. I just hope we are looking abroad - if we have learned one thing this year it is that a Championship all-stars team just isn't good enough in the PL. Need to recruit players who are big, strong, fast, and if we are looking in the English leagues they will be too expensive. [Post edited 29 Apr 8:55]
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I'm not sure that Enciso needs to be replaced, if nobody else in the three behind the number 9 leaves, and everyone is fit by August.
For those 3 positions we have:
- Broadhead
- Smodders
- Omari
- JClarke
- Philogene
- Ogbene
- Burns
That's already 7 proper first-teamers for 3 places, 3 of whom cost mega bucks, and 2 more of whom cost millions. Plus, on occasion Johnson might conceivably play in front of a right back. So I really don't think we need an Enciso replacement. Now, if KMac thinks that we can improve on, say, Broadhead, or that Burns will be past his peak by the next promotion and can be upgraded, fair enough. But I think Enciso was a luxury in the Prem context, at a time when we already had plenty of injuries in those positions.
I'd definitely keep Townsend, whether or not Davis stays. He wasn't out of his depth in the prem, and the gap (as we know) is huge.
I agree that we should try our best to keep O'Shea and Axel. Trying to recruit players of that quality who would be prepared to come to us would be impossible or at least eye-wateringly expensive, without any guarantee that they would fit into our system or dressing room. So I would move heaven and earth. Continuity of personnel itself is worth something.
So I would say quality over quantity, if that is possible.
I probably wouldn't be looking to add a GK, but would make a high quality GK a top top priority if and when we get promoted again. |  | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 17:52 - Apr 29 with 1655 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 17:23 - Apr 29 by NthQldITFC |
I think the evidence is in the fact that every other Premier League club is made up primarily of overseas recruits. I say this empirically, I haven't actually checked that I'm not talking crap. |
[This is somewhat tongue in cheek]
Well, if you look at our squad on paper, only 14 from 25 are English 
On a more serious note, it is often difficult to tell without in depth analysis. Morsy is Egyptian, but without a doubt very much a scouser.
Some like Wolves have clearly recruited players that developed their game in Brazil and Portugal, but you can look at other clubs that have 'overseas' players on paper, but that have been developing their game in England since they were young. | | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 17:59 - Apr 29 with 1634 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 17:49 - Apr 29 by HighgateBlue |
I'm not sure that Enciso needs to be replaced, if nobody else in the three behind the number 9 leaves, and everyone is fit by August.
For those 3 positions we have:
- Broadhead
- Smodders
- Omari
- JClarke
- Philogene
- Ogbene
- Burns
That's already 7 proper first-teamers for 3 places, 3 of whom cost mega bucks, and 2 more of whom cost millions. Plus, on occasion Johnson might conceivably play in front of a right back. So I really don't think we need an Enciso replacement. Now, if KMac thinks that we can improve on, say, Broadhead, or that Burns will be past his peak by the next promotion and can be upgraded, fair enough. But I think Enciso was a luxury in the Prem context, at a time when we already had plenty of injuries in those positions.
I'd definitely keep Townsend, whether or not Davis stays. He wasn't out of his depth in the prem, and the gap (as we know) is huge.
I agree that we should try our best to keep O'Shea and Axel. Trying to recruit players of that quality who would be prepared to come to us would be impossible or at least eye-wateringly expensive, without any guarantee that they would fit into our system or dressing room. So I would move heaven and earth. Continuity of personnel itself is worth something.
So I would say quality over quantity, if that is possible.
I probably wouldn't be looking to add a GK, but would make a high quality GK a top top priority if and when we get promoted again. |
This is a good assessment.
However, we can't view Townsend as a long-term asset. He'll be 33/34 if we get promoted at the first attempt. If Davis goes, we need more cover for LWB for sure, and should probably be looking to add another younger LB/LWB within 18 months even if Davis stays. | | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 18:22 - Apr 29 with 1575 views | LeoMuff |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 15:05 - Apr 29 by rickw |
Assuming the loanees all go and Delap gets sold and Burgess, Tuanzebe and Harness all don't renew their contracts, we're left with
GK - Palmer, Walton, Muric, Slicker
RD - Johnson, H.Clarke
RCD - O'Shea, Woolfenden
LCD - Greaves, Baggott
LD - Davis, Townsend, Boniface
CM - Morsy, Luongo, Taylor, Humphries
LAM - J.Clarke, Philogene, Broadhead
CAM - Hutchison, Szmodics, Chaplin
RM - Burns, Ogbene
CF - Hirst, Al Hamadi
We're well covered in most areas - especially the AM's. I think we'll need to sell/loan out at least 1 keeper, I would give Baggott the chance to be cover for Greaves. I think we'll definitely need 1 more central mid - perhaps 2 if Luongo or Humphries leave. We'll also need a striker and I'd sell Al Hamadi. If O'Shea or Davis get sold then we'd need replacements, if Hutchison goes then I think we're still well covered in his positions. |
We need at least 2 central mids, Downes being one hopefully. |  |
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 18:26 - Apr 29 with 1559 views | billlm |
It's all on the midfield,
If no defenders go were sound,
Our combo supporting the strikers sound,
If delap goes we need two if he dosent one,
It's the midfield I wouldn't rely on morsy Taylor taking us to the prem, need two/ three new and two of them massive upgrades, |  | | |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 22:40 - Apr 29 with 1346 views | bournemouthblue |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:17 - Apr 29 by weepingx2018 |
I would get Moore back. |
I wouldn't be totally against that, given the debacle of not getting another striker in this window
If he is the third option, he isn't a terrible one particularly for those low block sides | |
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| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 22:46 - Apr 29 with 1308 views | bournemouthblue |
| What signings do Town need in the summer? on 09:26 - Apr 29 by OldFart71 |
I think your statement that the midfield needs a bit of help is perhaps drastically understating the problems in midfield. Most likely Cajuste will go and definitely Phillips. Both Morsy and Loungo are now too slow, although I think Morsy will be used and Loungo moved on. That leaves Taylor who hasn't nailed down a place in two seasons and Humphreys who while he has done well on loan but it's debatable as to how good he will/can be. Striker wise as long as Hirst is still with us and Szmodics is fit then we will probably need a replacement for Delap. Also as you say a left fullback. |
I'm of the opinion we need two high quality central midfielders coming in
Taylor needs to step up, Morsy will do a job but it may well be his last season with us, I can see Luongo moving on as you say but I would want to make sure we have replacements before offloading him
The elements which worry me slightly are Burgess and Axel moving on, both are big losses
I know we have Greaves and Baggott who can probably back Greaves up and may grow into a role but Burgress looks a fairly dependable centre back now
Axel is a very solid defender, he has done a job on some serious players this season, he'd be rock solid in the Championship, that would be a big loss | |
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