| Reform 06:58 - May 2 with 21875 views | Benters |
Well done.
They don’t like it up em 👍🇬🇧 |  |
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| Reform on 16:29 - May 3 with 493 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform on 14:11 - May 3 by BlueForYou |
Raising the personal tax threshold to £20k would interest me, along with raising the Inheritance Tax threshold to £2m, & getting rid of IR35. |
So lower taxation is your benefit.
You realise that means much lower public spending. I.e. poorer roads, fewer bin collections, no NHS, etc. |  |
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| Reform on 16:30 - May 3 with 488 views | BlueRobin |
| Reform on 16:21 - May 3 by redrickstuhaart |
Not true though is it?
Unless you can find some decent reliable data on people leaving the uk and their reasons.
Also there are more than 16 people on 30 for every one on 200k.... [Post edited 3 May 16:22]
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It is true, and it will take decades for the country to recover from the carnage this government is generating. And your point is hardly the point. |  | | |
| Reform on 16:31 - May 3 with 477 views | BlueRobin |
| Reform on 16:29 - May 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So lower taxation is your benefit.
You realise that means much lower public spending. I.e. poorer roads, fewer bin collections, no NHS, etc. |
No, it doesn’t. Bloated public sector with unbelievably low productivity needs serious reform. Evidence is clear that higher rates taxation does not lead to higher tax take. | | | |
| Reform on 16:35 - May 3 with 453 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform on 16:15 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
It takes 16 workers in £30k to contribute the same to the public purse as one worker on £200k. High tax and over regulation means many entrepreneurs and higher earners are leaving the U.K. Labour is a recipe for disaster |
So, 16 people on £30K pay something like £5-6K each and take home something lower than £25K each. Whereas someone (by your figures) on £200K pays around £80-90K (do they currently?) and still takes home in excess of £100K.
And you think the higher paid person is being hard done by? | |
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| Reform on 16:35 - May 3 with 453 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Reform on 16:31 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
No, it doesn’t. Bloated public sector with unbelievably low productivity needs serious reform. Evidence is clear that higher rates taxation does not lead to higher tax take. |
Do tell us about this bloated public sector. Which bit has not been cut heavily for the last ten years?
You sound like Elon Musk. | | | |
| Reform on 16:37 - May 3 with 443 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform on 16:30 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
It is true, and it will take decades for the country to recover from the carnage this government is generating. And your point is hardly the point. |
And so little time for this government to wreck all the good work done by that of the last 16 years! | |
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| Reform on 16:37 - May 3 with 440 views | StokieBlue |
| Reform on 16:31 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
No, it doesn’t. Bloated public sector with unbelievably low productivity needs serious reform. Evidence is clear that higher rates taxation does not lead to higher tax take. |
All these posts are straight out of the Trumpian playbook. Soundbites with absolutely no evidence behind them.
Support the posts with evidence rather than making soundbites.
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| Reform on 16:37 - May 3 with 437 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Reform on 16:35 - May 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So, 16 people on £30K pay something like £5-6K each and take home something lower than £25K each. Whereas someone (by your figures) on £200K pays around £80-90K (do they currently?) and still takes home in excess of £100K.
And you think the higher paid person is being hard done by? |
the 200k guy doesnt pay that much. And crucially, most people on seriously high incomes dont pay income tax - they do it through companies, consultancies, shares, etc etc to avoid it.
People on 200k plus are less than 1 percent I believe. | | | |
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| Reform on 16:40 - May 3 with 418 views | BlueRobin |
| Reform on 16:35 - May 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So, 16 people on £30K pay something like £5-6K each and take home something lower than £25K each. Whereas someone (by your figures) on £200K pays around £80-90K (do they currently?) and still takes home in excess of £100K.
And you think the higher paid person is being hard done by? |
Well, yes, obviously | | | |
| Reform on 16:43 - May 3 with 404 views | Ryorry |
| Reform on 16:31 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
No, it doesn’t. Bloated public sector with unbelievably low productivity needs serious reform. Evidence is clear that higher rates taxation does not lead to higher tax take. |
Hi Europa  |  |
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| Reform on 16:43 - May 3 with 407 views | BlueRobin |
| Reform on 16:37 - May 3 by redrickstuhaart |
the 200k guy doesnt pay that much. And crucially, most people on seriously high incomes dont pay income tax - they do it through companies, consultancies, shares, etc etc to avoid it.
People on 200k plus are less than 1 percent I believe. |
It is not at all easy to significantly decrease tax burden through a company. I own a company, pay myself low-ish salary and take dividends. Dividends are taxed at more or less the same rate as PAYE. Upper mid range earners in this country are absolutely screwed. You’re right that the very wealthy are able to avoid a lot of tax. The burden falls disproportionately on this earning between £100k and £250k to support the country. There’s little incentive for this earning in that region (doctors, SME owners, accountants, low grade City employees etc) to stay in the U.K. Whichbis why so many are leaving | | | |
| Reform on 16:45 - May 3 with 394 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Reform on 16:43 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
It is not at all easy to significantly decrease tax burden through a company. I own a company, pay myself low-ish salary and take dividends. Dividends are taxed at more or less the same rate as PAYE. Upper mid range earners in this country are absolutely screwed. You’re right that the very wealthy are able to avoid a lot of tax. The burden falls disproportionately on this earning between £100k and £250k to support the country. There’s little incentive for this earning in that region (doctors, SME owners, accountants, low grade City employees etc) to stay in the U.K. Whichbis why so many are leaving |
Its lower.
Quite a lot lower, especially for higher incomes who, on income tax, would get caught by the increased income tax rate.
Where's the evidence of people leaving please?
And how do you pay doctors more fairly if you cut taxes? | | | |
| Reform on 16:47 - May 3 with 386 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform on 14:30 - May 3 by Ryorry |
Devil's advocate here.
Not Labour
Not Tory
Not LibDems
Not Green
Not Woke
Chance to uselessly vent , rant, rail and feel you 'belong' (in the Daily Fail group of 'protesters' (who can't be bovvered to march or demonstrate in the usual way). |
Quite a lot of them are Tories and they’re funded mostly by ex-Tory donors, but I’m not sure if their voters realise that. |  |
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| Reform on 16:47 - May 3 with 384 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform on 16:43 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
It is not at all easy to significantly decrease tax burden through a company. I own a company, pay myself low-ish salary and take dividends. Dividends are taxed at more or less the same rate as PAYE. Upper mid range earners in this country are absolutely screwed. You’re right that the very wealthy are able to avoid a lot of tax. The burden falls disproportionately on this earning between £100k and £250k to support the country. There’s little incentive for this earning in that region (doctors, SME owners, accountants, low grade City employees etc) to stay in the U.K. Whichbis why so many are leaving |
"Upper mid range earners in this country are absolutely screwed."
Indeed, how can you possibly live off more than £100K take-home pay a year? | |
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| Reform on 16:50 - May 3 with 373 views | StokieBlue |
| Reform on 16:43 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
It is not at all easy to significantly decrease tax burden through a company. I own a company, pay myself low-ish salary and take dividends. Dividends are taxed at more or less the same rate as PAYE. Upper mid range earners in this country are absolutely screwed. You’re right that the very wealthy are able to avoid a lot of tax. The burden falls disproportionately on this earning between £100k and £250k to support the country. There’s little incentive for this earning in that region (doctors, SME owners, accountants, low grade City employees etc) to stay in the U.K. Whichbis why so many are leaving |
That is almost all nonsense, there is no mass exodus of people earning in the bracket you are describing.
Post some evidence please to support this conclusion.
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| Reform on 16:52 - May 3 with 368 views | BlueRobin |
| Reform on 16:45 - May 3 by redrickstuhaart |
Its lower.
Quite a lot lower, especially for higher incomes who, on income tax, would get caught by the increased income tax rate.
Where's the evidence of people leaving please?
And how do you pay doctors more fairly if you cut taxes? |
It’s not much lower at all. It’s 34 and then 39pc vs 40 and 45pc. Hardly a massive saving given the risk that business owners take on.Its clear that many higher earners are leaving the country. I don’t want to pay doctors more, I think they earn plenty. However, the reality is that they can earn more elsewhere. Increased tax rates do not equal increased tax take. Quite the opposite, in fact. | | | |
| Reform on 16:53 - May 3 with 364 views | BlueRobin |
| Reform on 16:50 - May 3 by StokieBlue |
That is almost all nonsense, there is no mass exodus of people earning in the bracket you are describing.
Post some evidence please to support this conclusion.
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Of course there is! It’s all very well for you to spout your left wing drivel from your sanctuary. You need to look outside your bubble, though, at the wider picture. I’m not going to interact with you, as your views are so extreme
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| Reform on 16:54 - May 3 with 353 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform on 16:52 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
It’s not much lower at all. It’s 34 and then 39pc vs 40 and 45pc. Hardly a massive saving given the risk that business owners take on.Its clear that many higher earners are leaving the country. I don’t want to pay doctors more, I think they earn plenty. However, the reality is that they can earn more elsewhere. Increased tax rates do not equal increased tax take. Quite the opposite, in fact. |
You keep saying that. Can you support it with some evidence? | |
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| Reform on 16:55 - May 3 with 351 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Reform on 16:52 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
It’s not much lower at all. It’s 34 and then 39pc vs 40 and 45pc. Hardly a massive saving given the risk that business owners take on.Its clear that many higher earners are leaving the country. I don’t want to pay doctors more, I think they earn plenty. However, the reality is that they can earn more elsewhere. Increased tax rates do not equal increased tax take. Quite the opposite, in fact. |
Thats a significant difference.
Furthermore, plenty gets hidden in share options, re investment, "expenses" etc. | | | |
| Reform on 16:55 - May 3 with 349 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Reform on 16:53 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
Of course there is! It’s all very well for you to spout your left wing drivel from your sanctuary. You need to look outside your bubble, though, at the wider picture. I’m not going to interact with you, as your views are so extreme
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Post some evidence. | | | |
| Reform on 16:57 - May 3 with 348 views | StokieBlue |
| Reform on 16:53 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
Of course there is! It’s all very well for you to spout your left wing drivel from your sanctuary. You need to look outside your bubble, though, at the wider picture. I’m not going to interact with you, as your views are so extreme
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That is one of the most bizarre posts I've ever seen on here.
Which views are extreme? I've only ever replied to two of your posts asking for evidence.
Absolutely bizarre.
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| Reform on 16:58 - May 3 with 339 views | BlueRobin |
| Reform on 16:55 - May 3 by redrickstuhaart |
Thats a significant difference.
Furthermore, plenty gets hidden in share options, re investment, "expenses" etc. |
It’s a tiny difference given the additional risk profile involved in starting up your own company. The practices you outline are not common in small companies. Or I must be doing it all wrong. Or need a new accountant | | | |
| Reform on 17:00 - May 3 with 319 views | BlueRobin |
| Reform on 16:47 - May 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"Upper mid range earners in this country are absolutely screwed."
Indeed, how can you possibly live off more than £100K take-home pay a year? |
Agreed. It’s not easy. Two kids at private school, £600k mortgage, two cars, two or three holidays a year cannot be done on that salary. You need double that. Thirty years ago, the equivalent salary would have allowed that lifestyle, which although privileged, should hardly be the preserve of the super rich | | | |
| Reform on 17:01 - May 3 with 318 views | BlueRobin |
| Reform on 16:57 - May 3 by StokieBlue |
That is one of the most bizarre posts I've ever seen on here.
Which views are extreme? I've only ever replied to two of your posts asking for evidence.
Absolutely bizarre.
SB [Post edited 3 May 16:59]
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I’ve read through this thread and seen the nonsense you were writing. I’m not engaging further. | | | |
| Reform on 17:01 - May 3 with 316 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Reform on 16:58 - May 3 by BlueRobin |
It’s a tiny difference given the additional risk profile involved in starting up your own company. The practices you outline are not common in small companies. Or I must be doing it all wrong. Or need a new accountant |
No. Its a significant differences, which is why people do it.
How many 30k a year people do you need paying tax to bring in the same amount as your 200k earner saves, doing it apportioned through wages up to the top of the 20% limit, and then through dividends?
This stuff is absolutely normal. Its why IR35 came in.
Your position appears to be "its my money and I dont see why I should pay taxes". [Post edited 3 May 17:03]
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