| Reform 06:58 - May 2 with 23731 views | Benters |
Well done.
They don’t like it up em 👍🇬🇧 |  |
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| Reform on 15:30 - May 2 with 1727 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Reform on 08:19 - May 2 by Lord_Lucan |
Like it or lump it Herbivore but the reason people are voting Reform is because of people like you.
Whenever people question the amount and speed of uncontrolled immigration they are called racist or idiotic schoolboy comments about a dislike of “Brown people”
You and your ilk have enabled the likes of Nigel Farage so suck it up baby.
…..downvoters will underline blindness. |
Bang on. |  | | |
| Reform on 15:33 - May 2 with 1696 views | NeedhamChris |
| Reform on 10:43 - May 2 by NeedhamChris |
I didn't downvote you because of your son. Let's not weaponise things to make a point.
We're in full agreement about the negatives of Reform and as a parent of two young boys who are 2 and 0 - I worry about what life would be like with Reform in power.
Where we fundamentally disagree is how to engage with it - and I downvoted you because I read your post and all I see posts like yours doing is entrenching people further and further into the views that you're worried about.
"half these fools voting for them" - "party of nasty thick racists" - it's just a really ineffective way of changing minds and I think such a poor way to debate. Since when is calling someone a fool or racist going to engage someone?
I wish you and your son all the best - and I hope we're both happy in the future and support for Reform dissipates. But as someone also concerned about the future of my children - I am within my rights to give a view on what I see as people making that scary future MORE likely. |
in a parallel universe - Libby sees this response, we agree we just have a different opinion on how to deal with the issue and move along. |  |
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| Reform on 15:36 - May 2 with 1668 views | Horsham |
| Reform on 15:18 - May 2 by NeedhamChris |
All I did was downvote a post - to be called a massive whopper, nasty etc.
I then replied with a detailed explanation of what my downvote meant. There's been empathy in each of my responses on this - but it doesn't seem to suit a certain narrative to even acknowledge that. |
No. The crucial point you are missing is that you’re not getting what it’s like to have your kid othered, your kid marginalised, and crucially what it’s like to feel like when the time comes that you can no longer speak up and fight for your kid the feeling of your blood running cold and the desperation of knowing that society has turned their back on helping and being kind. |  | | |
| Reform on 15:42 - May 2 with 1616 views | Herbivore |
| Reform on 09:23 - May 2 by Mullet |
Isn't that really weak though?
Why is it so many far right accounts, pages, whatever have racism dripping through them and even more overtly underneath them in the comments? You only have to look at the radicalised types here, who dance about saying what they really mean to think that's not really typical of the thought process going on here.
Surely if people like Herbs are "making" them vote Reform and championing the oddbod mix of racists, crooks, fradusters etc that the Reform company are failing to vet, you're saying all these people are incredibly weak and can't think for themselves?
You seem to have that all arse about face. |
It's a pretty condescending attitude that they have towards people who vote Reform, isn't it? Basically saying that they aren't capable of making an informed decision about who to vote for so are forced into voting that way by other people. Personally I disagree, I think people who vote Reform choose to do so and aren't forced into it by people with different views to them. But they base it on flawed information that resonates with their worldview but doesn't necessarily accurately reflect reality.
Maybe if more people were willing to treat Reform voters like sentient creatures who can make up their own mind and present them with evidence and counter-arguments instead of infantilising them and making out they only vote in opposition to others, we might get somewhere. |  |
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| Reform on 15:49 - May 2 with 1570 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform on 15:18 - May 2 by Benters |
Thanks for speaking for me Dolly.
I’ve had a liquid lunch at my local spoons,Two pounds and seventy five pence for a pint of Doom Bar.
People were in a party mood today.
Lovely stuff. |
Always got your back, blud.
That's a very reasonable price these days. |  |
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| Reform on 16:14 - May 2 with 1452 views | BloomBlue |
People are getting fed-up with the 2 main parties not doing what the said they would.
Radio5 was in Runcorn last week talking with voters and the vast majority of feedback was people moaning Labour was cutting benefits and winter fuel payment. Not sure if a lot of people are on benefits in Runcorn but it felt like every second person they spoke with complained about it. Main point was Labour never told us they would do that during the election. Same comments re the winter fuel payment.
Re illegal immigration, Labour said Rwanda, was a gimmick, and the answer is to stop the gangs. Now that isn't going to happen over night, but if we get near the next election and numbers aren't decreasing, that will give Labour a problem.
People dislike not being told and when promises aren't kept.
As they say governments don't win elections, they lose them.
What is an eye opener is people getting fed-up with the 2 main parties, but instead of rushing towards LD or Greens (although I appreciate they have increased their vote in some councils) they have gone to Reform.
Runcorn was Labours 49th safest seat at the last election, that in anyone's view is a massive shift to Reform.
Labour has time to improve before another GE, but if people don't think Reform is a danger to Labour winning the next GE, then they have their head stuck in sand. |  | | |
| Reform on 16:25 - May 2 with 1385 views | textbackup |
| Reform on 09:11 - May 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
When you peddled this false narrative before I asked for evidence of posts where people had been called racist for wanting some control to immigration. There weren't any, but instead of holding your hands up you got in a huff, got abusive and then stropped off out of the thread never to return. Until now, when you've just ignored all that and trotted out the same bowlocks again.
I won't be surprised to see more abuse and your disappearing act again rather than debating the issue like an adult. |
The absolute cheek of it. Nearly fell off my chair with that final statement 😂😂
Fair play |  |
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| Reform on 16:34 - May 2 with 1366 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Reform on 14:00 - May 2 by glasso |
Isn't it remarkable how creating a false narrative that immigrants are to blame for everything, can cause the public to think immigrants are to blame for everything?
Now, I don't want to upset people by pointing out that this has happened before, but... I'm sure it's happened before. I just can't remember the name of that political party who pulled it off. It was really successful if I remember rightly. Led to some big historical actions. |
We don’t think immigrants are to blame for everything... successive Labour or Tory councils are to blame for the poor roads, infrastructure and local services in Lincolnshire which is why many have opted today to let someone else have a go. Nothing to do with being anti immigrants, although net immigration is much too high. Pledging to earmark significantly more of the new housing being built around the county for younger, contributing British people who’ve been born and grown up here was also a good way to garner favour... |  | | |
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| Reform on 16:44 - May 2 with 1324 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Reform on 16:34 - May 2 by mikeybloo88 |
We don’t think immigrants are to blame for everything... successive Labour or Tory councils are to blame for the poor roads, infrastructure and local services in Lincolnshire which is why many have opted today to let someone else have a go. Nothing to do with being anti immigrants, although net immigration is much too high. Pledging to earmark significantly more of the new housing being built around the county for younger, contributing British people who’ve been born and grown up here was also a good way to garner favour... |
People are upset with poor roads and local services, so they've voted for a party that wants to reduce public spending? |  | | |
| Reform on 16:59 - May 2 with 1267 views | Mullet |
| Reform on 16:44 - May 2 by Clapham_Junction |
People are upset with poor roads and local services, so they've voted for a party that wants to reduce public spending? |
Ludicrous isn’t it? Just doesn’t add up at all. Unlike subscriptions and Russian money…… |  |
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| Reform on 17:01 - May 2 with 1244 views | positivity |
| Reform on 16:44 - May 2 by Clapham_Junction |
People are upset with poor roads and local services, so they've voted for a party that wants to reduce public spending? |
and when they fail, they'll blame it on immigrants and central government... | |
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| Reform on 17:12 - May 2 with 1194 views | Libero |
| Reform on 16:44 - May 2 by Clapham_Junction |
People are upset with poor roads and local services, so they've voted for a party that wants to reduce public spending? |
God forbid you question these people’s intelligence… |  | | |
| Reform on 17:16 - May 2 with 1183 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform on 16:34 - May 2 by mikeybloo88 |
We don’t think immigrants are to blame for everything... successive Labour or Tory councils are to blame for the poor roads, infrastructure and local services in Lincolnshire which is why many have opted today to let someone else have a go. Nothing to do with being anti immigrants, although net immigration is much too high. Pledging to earmark significantly more of the new housing being built around the county for younger, contributing British people who’ve been born and grown up here was also a good way to garner favour... |
Not wanting as many immigrants here and also not wanting them to have a fair opportunity to have housing certainly sounds like it’s about immigration, even if you say it isn’t.
The arguments need to be a bit better than that imo, including how we’re going to fill vacancies where we have insufficient UK workers, how we’re going to keep of universities afloat, how we’re going to not split up multi-national families, how we’re going to replace the taxes lost by excluding immigrants, how we’re going to keep the economy going as our population ages and demands more from the state, how we’re going to maintain our global standing if we become more isolationist, etc.
IF Reform could come up with some sensible, workable ideas and plans to tackle the real issues perhaps more people would take them seriously. |  |
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| Reform on 17:29 - May 2 with 1124 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform on 14:59 - May 2 by Herbivore |
There's no point engaging with you. You've been shown up in this thread as wilfully dishonest and incredibly disingenuous. The receipts are there for everyone to see. |
you never have any answers just unpleasant contempt for anyone who doesn't share your views. do you ever look at yourself? you don't debate just sneer in an incredibly unself-aware manner. if you were quite as all knowing as you clearly believe you would actually have some reasoned responses. hey ho. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Reform on 17:34 - May 2 with 1109 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform on 17:12 - May 2 by Libero |
God forbid you question these people’s intelligence… |
If you do it will make them vote reform to prove that they aren't doing it through lack of intelligence!
In truth, the dominance of the demonising of one group in politics is depressing. |  |
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| Reform on 17:38 - May 2 with 1099 views | glasso |
| Reform on 16:34 - May 2 by mikeybloo88 |
We don’t think immigrants are to blame for everything... successive Labour or Tory councils are to blame for the poor roads, infrastructure and local services in Lincolnshire which is why many have opted today to let someone else have a go. Nothing to do with being anti immigrants, although net immigration is much too high. Pledging to earmark significantly more of the new housing being built around the county for younger, contributing British people who’ve been born and grown up here was also a good way to garner favour... |
As other people have pointed out, it doesn't add up.
Beyond the vagueness of 'we just wanted a change' and 'a new way of thinking' and 'sending a message!', look through any thread from Reform voters and I'd challenge you to find me three actionable things Reform are promising that they want.
You won't make a page before it's immigrant this, small boat that.
Look, vote for the racist grifters all you want, but please stop pretending that they would even be in the conversation if they weren't the anti-immigrant party.
Unless, of course, you just hate the NHS and have long been desperate to see a private company run by a public schoolboy ex-banker in power. Maybe it's that, of course. | | | |
| Reform on 17:49 - May 2 with 1060 views | mrshallisfit |
| Reform on 08:02 - May 2 by Benters |
That’s your view on it.
Mine is two tier isn’t a very good PM. |
And Farage would be better? Jeez. | | | |
| Reform on 17:53 - May 2 with 1046 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform on 17:49 - May 2 by mrshallisfit |
And Farage would be better? Jeez. |
At least Farage says it as it is ...
"there isn't any money for the NHS."
"we need lower taxes, cheaper booze and fags and to be allowed to smoke wherever we want to."
"there are too many foreigners coming in and swamping us, we're full."
"the EU are a bunch of foreigners we should steer well clear of."
"now let me take my money and swan off somewhere else and laugh at you all." | |
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| Reform on 18:00 - May 2 with 1002 views | Herbivore |
| Reform on 17:29 - May 2 by lowhouseblue |
you never have any answers just unpleasant contempt for anyone who doesn't share your views. do you ever look at yourself? you don't debate just sneer in an incredibly unself-aware manner. if you were quite as all knowing as you clearly believe you would actually have some reasoned responses. hey ho. |
The receipts are all in this thread, mate. | |
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| Reform on 18:39 - May 2 with 923 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform on 18:00 - May 2 by Herbivore |
The receipts are all in this thread, mate. |
you never have any answers, mate. so much self-regard and contempt for different views, so little to ever back any of it up. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Reform on 19:01 - May 2 with 873 views | Plums |
| Reform on 16:34 - May 2 by mikeybloo88 |
We don’t think immigrants are to blame for everything... successive Labour or Tory councils are to blame for the poor roads, infrastructure and local services in Lincolnshire which is why many have opted today to let someone else have a go. Nothing to do with being anti immigrants, although net immigration is much too high. Pledging to earmark significantly more of the new housing being built around the county for younger, contributing British people who’ve been born and grown up here was also a good way to garner favour... |
As someone who grew up in Lincs, today marks a very sad day.
This is the first time I've heard of this policy. How precisely are Reform going to 'earmark this housing'? I thought they believed in free markets? |  |
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| Reform on 19:12 - May 2 with 844 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform on 17:53 - May 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
At least Farage says it as it is ...
"there isn't any money for the NHS."
"we need lower taxes, cheaper booze and fags and to be allowed to smoke wherever we want to."
"there are too many foreigners coming in and swamping us, we're full."
"the EU are a bunch of foreigners we should steer well clear of."
"now let me take my money and swan off somewhere else and laugh at you all." |
Unfortunately he’s now sounding like Trump. He’s already made one speech today saying anyone in Durham council working in DEI (note he also uses the preferred American version of EDI, which tells it’s own story) needs to find themselves a new job. It’s rather ironic given that Trump snubbed him and Musk said he needed to be replaced, yet here we are he’s copying their playbook. You’d think he’d have more respect for himself, but seemingly not. He’s happy to debase himself as much as needed to get one over on proper politicians who’ve always ridiculed him. | |
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| Reform on 19:16 - May 2 with 835 views | vapour_trail |
| Reform on 18:39 - May 2 by lowhouseblue |
you never have any answers, mate. so much self-regard and contempt for different views, so little to ever back any of it up. |
This joker.
Asserts in this thread the people are labelling the working class as all racist when nobody has suggested anything of the sort.
Fails to provide any evidence to back up his nonsense.
And then calls people out for not having answers?
What a sh1tshow. |  |
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| Reform on 19:56 - May 2 with 751 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform on 19:16 - May 2 by vapour_trail |
This joker.
Asserts in this thread the people are labelling the working class as all racist when nobody has suggested anything of the sort.
Fails to provide any evidence to back up his nonsense.
And then calls people out for not having answers?
What a sh1tshow. |
again, remember from this very thread: "People will vote for them anyway as their base don't care about competence, they only care about kicking brown people out of the country."
this is a line always repeated on here be it about brexit voters or reform voters. those people are constantly called racists and the social composition of those groups is very well established. contempt for the working class is now almost a defining characteristic of the online left in the uk.
you do realise that reform just won runcorn and helsby a largely working class and previously safe labour seat? so those are the sort of voters who apparently "only care about kicking brown people out of the country". | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Reform on 20:22 - May 2 with 679 views | noggin |
| Reform on 19:56 - May 2 by lowhouseblue |
again, remember from this very thread: "People will vote for them anyway as their base don't care about competence, they only care about kicking brown people out of the country."
this is a line always repeated on here be it about brexit voters or reform voters. those people are constantly called racists and the social composition of those groups is very well established. contempt for the working class is now almost a defining characteristic of the online left in the uk.
you do realise that reform just won runcorn and helsby a largely working class and previously safe labour seat? so those are the sort of voters who apparently "only care about kicking brown people out of the country". |
So tell us why people really vote for Reform then. I mean, which policies are attracting so many voters, and how will they be paid for? [Post edited 2 May 20:29]
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