| Reform 06:58 - May 2 with 32252 views | Benters |
Well done.
They don’t like it up em 👍🇬🇧 |  |
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| Reform on 10:30 - May 2 with 1789 views | noggin |
| Reform on 08:19 - May 2 by Lord_Lucan |
Like it or lump it Herbivore but the reason people are voting Reform is because of people like you.
Whenever people question the amount and speed of uncontrolled immigration they are called racist or idiotic schoolboy comments about a dislike of “Brown people”
You and your ilk have enabled the likes of Nigel Farage so suck it up baby.
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That doesn't make sense though. The people who are voting Reform are doing so because they feel unrepresented by Labour and the other lot. Pretty much everyone is concerned about immigration but not everyone is accused of racism or xenophobia. Supporting SYL or those individuals jailed for inciting violence after Southport are 2 reasons for people being labeled. |  |
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| Reform on 10:31 - May 2 with 1788 views | DJR |
| Reform on 10:23 - May 2 by Guthrum |
And the problem with their point 4 is that there is no legal framework (ECHR or otherwise) to do so, nor would the French be obliged to allow them to land. |
Yes, you can put all sort of nonsense into a manifesto to win votes if there's not chance of election but if at the next election they have a chance of government, they will have to come up with policies that actually work. And it they don't, they will seriously disappoint their supporters.
Admittedly, the ECHR has been made out to be a bogeyman, but without it lies the prospect of authoritarianism, just as is the case in the US, with no external checks on its constitution. [Post edited 2 May 10:33]
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| Reform on 10:31 - May 2 with 1778 views | DanTheMan |
| Reform on 10:25 - May 2 by Leaky |
I think your wrong controlled immigration is fine. Prefer the Aussie system though. |
We already have controlled immigration. We use a system similar to Australia.
You can argue it's too broad of course, but then as I've mentioned in other replies, you need to think about the ramifications of restricting it.
A concrete example can be seen in limiting foreign student numbers. If we do that, a lot of universities will start to fail because they no longer receive a lot of Government funding and were effectively told to rely on those foreign students (see Boris Johnson relaxing student rules in 2019).
So we could let a bunch of universities fail or we have to up taxes to pay for them.
But we never get this far in the conversation usually because for whatever reason the conversation always ends at just lowering immigration. |  |
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| Reform on 10:35 - May 2 with 1742 views | Libero |
| Reform on 10:21 - May 2 by Libero |
Very worrying times. It makes me fear for my son's future, he has high support needs and everything I've read from Reform surrounding disability and the benefits required to support disabled people is absolutely abysmal, totally inhumane.
There there's the fact they're a party of nasty thick racists...
Beggars belief that there's a taste for their nonsense- but half these fools voting for them won't have read any documentation and are just bewitched by Farage's facade. [Post edited 2 May 10:22]
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Oh TWTD, lol.
It takes some whopper to down-vote a bloke talking about the very real concerns he has for his disabled son.
Nasty stuff, but unsurprising. |  | | |
| Reform on 10:36 - May 2 with 1715 views | DJR |
| Reform on 10:31 - May 2 by DanTheMan |
We already have controlled immigration. We use a system similar to Australia.
You can argue it's too broad of course, but then as I've mentioned in other replies, you need to think about the ramifications of restricting it.
A concrete example can be seen in limiting foreign student numbers. If we do that, a lot of universities will start to fail because they no longer receive a lot of Government funding and were effectively told to rely on those foreign students (see Boris Johnson relaxing student rules in 2019).
So we could let a bunch of universities fail or we have to up taxes to pay for them.
But we never get this far in the conversation usually because for whatever reason the conversation always ends at just lowering immigration. |
Interestingly, the Reform manifesto at the last election talked about preventing "non-essential" immigration but what does that actually mean, and would it have any effect on the figures?
Don't forget the Tories spent 14 years talking about bringing net immigration down to the tens of thousands but got nowhere near that figure. [Post edited 2 May 10:37]
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| Reform on 10:38 - May 2 with 1696 views | Libero |
| Reform on 10:36 - May 2 by DJR |
Interestingly, the Reform manifesto at the last election talked about preventing "non-essential" immigration but what does that actually mean, and would it have any effect on the figures?
Don't forget the Tories spent 14 years talking about bringing net immigration down to the tens of thousands but got nowhere near that figure. [Post edited 2 May 10:37]
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Point of order- they didn't have a 'manifesto' as they couldn't raise enough policies- what they did have was 'our promise to you' or something similarly phrased. | | | |
| Reform on 10:43 - May 2 with 1634 views | NeedhamChris |
| Reform on 10:35 - May 2 by Libero |
Oh TWTD, lol.
It takes some whopper to down-vote a bloke talking about the very real concerns he has for his disabled son.
Nasty stuff, but unsurprising. |
I didn't downvote you because of your son. Let's not weaponise things to make a point.
We're in full agreement about the negatives of Reform and as a parent of two young boys who are 2 and 0 - I worry about what life would be like with Reform in power.
Where we fundamentally disagree is how to engage with it - and I downvoted you because I read your post and all I see posts like yours doing is entrenching people further and further into the views that you're worried about.
"half these fools voting for them" - "party of nasty thick racists" - it's just a really ineffective way of changing minds and I think such a poor way to debate. Since when is calling someone a fool or racist going to engage someone?
I wish you and your son all the best - and I hope we're both happy in the future and support for Reform dissipates. But as someone also concerned about the future of my children - I am within my rights to give a view on what I see as people making that scary future MORE likely. |  |
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| Reform on 10:54 - May 2 with 1574 views | blueasfook |
| Reform on 10:05 - May 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
So you're saying that IS all their voters care about after all?  |
Reform won Runcorn from Labour (where they previously held a large majority). Does that not tell you people aren't happy with what Labour is doing and therefore see no other option. The tories were dispensed with because they couldnt get a grip on it, Labour will suffer the same fate if they too fail to get results. Call it out as "racism" all you like, that's burying your head in the sand about the issue. Many people who are getting behind Reform aren't mouth-frothing racists, but everyday reasonable people who just want to see illegal immigration brought under control. |  |
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| Reform on 10:57 - May 2 with 1553 views | TractorWood |
| Reform on 10:31 - May 2 by DanTheMan |
We already have controlled immigration. We use a system similar to Australia.
You can argue it's too broad of course, but then as I've mentioned in other replies, you need to think about the ramifications of restricting it.
A concrete example can be seen in limiting foreign student numbers. If we do that, a lot of universities will start to fail because they no longer receive a lot of Government funding and were effectively told to rely on those foreign students (see Boris Johnson relaxing student rules in 2019).
So we could let a bunch of universities fail or we have to up taxes to pay for them.
But we never get this far in the conversation usually because for whatever reason the conversation always ends at just lowering immigration. |
From Blair onwards, Unis have become money spinners built on ludicrous fees, spurious demand for spurious degrees and masters etc, Rest of World students who pay a premium over UK students and the purpose built student accommodation bubble.
This props up absurdly paid middle and senior management. There is clearly going to be a slow or rapid burst of the bubble. |  |
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| Reform on 11:11 - May 2 with 1465 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Reform on 08:02 - May 2 by Benters |
That’s your view on it.
Mine is two tier isn’t a very good PM. |
You wanted refugees shot coming out of the channel tunnel.
That says it all about you and reform.
You would have been more at home in 1930s Germany. |  | | |
| Reform on 11:11 - May 2 with 1476 views | BlueBadger |
| Reform on 10:35 - May 2 by Libero |
Oh TWTD, lol.
It takes some whopper to down-vote a bloke talking about the very real concerns he has for his disabled son.
Nasty stuff, but unsurprising. |
NeedyChris is very keen that people Be Kind, especially to grifters who would like nothing better than people like your son not to exist. |  |
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| Reform on 11:17 - May 2 with 1421 views | DanTheMan |
| Reform on 10:57 - May 2 by TractorWood |
From Blair onwards, Unis have become money spinners built on ludicrous fees, spurious demand for spurious degrees and masters etc, Rest of World students who pay a premium over UK students and the purpose built student accommodation bubble.
This props up absurdly paid middle and senior management. There is clearly going to be a slow or rapid burst of the bubble. |
Do you think bursting that bubble that pulls out the rug from under us is a good idea?
Will the universities that do good work be OK?
What about the effects on the economies those universities are in?
What happens to all of the student accommodation?
etc.
And that's just the university problem, the bigger one as someone else pointed out is the impending demographic timebomb. If we started right this second and had a solution that worked, we'd still have a good 20+ years before it starts to kick in. | |
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| Reform on 11:18 - May 2 with 1413 views | Bluecoin |
| Reform on 11:11 - May 2 by BlueBadger |
NeedyChris is very keen that people Be Kind, especially to grifters who would like nothing better than people like your son not to exist. |
Wow.
Its been a long night for you, hasn't it. |  | | |
| Reform on 11:23 - May 2 with 1375 views | Libero |
| Reform on 11:11 - May 2 by BlueBadger |
NeedyChris is very keen that people Be Kind, especially to grifters who would like nothing better than people like your son not to exist. |
He’s been joined by ‘blueasfook’ what a couple of reprehensible little toads. | | | |
| Reform on 11:23 - May 2 with 1359 views | NeedhamChris |
| Reform on 11:11 - May 2 by BlueBadger |
NeedyChris is very keen that people Be Kind, especially to grifters who would like nothing better than people like your son not to exist. |
Shame on you - that's a disgusting attack line. | |
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| Reform on 11:25 - May 2 with 1652 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform on 08:39 - May 2 by itfcjoe |
Well when a right wing Tory Govt spend all their time in power saying they are against immigration, don't want it, want it in tens of thousands, want to stop the boats, want Brexit to protect borders etc etc and there are 3 million people coming here across a 4 year period then people are going to be unhappy.
When Govts can't or won't do what they say they will do then these things will happen - the last lot were governing without mandate |
your 3 million figure here understates the situation. hugely more than 3 million people have 'come here' in the past 4 years. 3 million is the NET figure allowing for the people who have left. 3 million NET immigration over a short period is an absolutely astonishing number. it is legal immigration but is totally out of control. we have a housing crisis - where do an additional 3 million people live and if we can house an extra 3 million in 4 years in what sense did we have a housing crisis? plus the estimate is that there is a further 1 million people who are here illegally - overstaying visas etc. we have 1.2 million people here of non-uk nationality between 18 and 64, excluding students, who are not in employment. how does that make sense? and then people's only response to reform winning is to call voters racist. [Post edited 2 May 11:26]
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| Reform on 11:26 - May 2 with 1643 views | NeedhamChris |
| Reform on 11:23 - May 2 by Libero |
He’s been joined by ‘blueasfook’ what a couple of reprehensible little toads. |
One of the challenges with the ignore system - is that when you throw an accusation out there - and then ignore immediately - they don't see the response which I think is perfectly reasonable.
And I only know that because I've just tried to PM Libero and found out he's ignored me. | |
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| Reform on 11:27 - May 2 with 1635 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Reform on 09:58 - May 2 by leitrimblue |
Exactly, what options to people have?
Tories have shown themselves to be completely incompetent.
Labour appear to stand for nothing and have turned their backs on the poorest in society in order to chase the Jeremy Clarkson/Daily Mail vote.
Labour's deserting of the working class as just left an enormous vacuum to be filled by man of the people/privileged public school banker Farage.
I'm tempted to vote reform in the next general election. Though mainly as I don't live in the UK and I think it might be fun to watch from a short distance  |
That's a pathetic conclusion and insulting to those of us who live here | | | |
| Reform on 11:29 - May 2 with 1617 views | blueasfook |
| Reform on 11:23 - May 2 by Libero |
He’s been joined by ‘blueasfook’ what a couple of reprehensible little toads. |
I downvoted you for the same reason as NeedhamChris. I have no horse in this race. Didn't even vote in the local elections! But calling people "nasty thick racists" because they are fed up with immigration levels is not helpful to any debate. | |
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| Reform on 11:32 - May 2 with 1587 views | Libero |
| Reform on 11:29 - May 2 by blueasfook |
I downvoted you for the same reason as NeedhamChris. I have no horse in this race. Didn't even vote in the local elections! But calling people "nasty thick racists" because they are fed up with immigration levels is not helpful to any debate. |
Heinously poor comprehension from you- embarrassing.
Don’t like being called racist? Stop voting for racists.
Didn’t vote for a racist? Stop being offended on behalf of others. [Post edited 2 May 11:33]
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| Reform on 11:33 - May 2 with 1580 views | Trequartista |
| Reform on 09:53 - May 2 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s a bit of a false narrative. I know it’s become a mainstream ‘truth’ that we have a massive and growing immigration problem, but we really don’t. Of the most recent stats there’s been a 37% decline in visa applications from 2023/24 to 2024/25, and that’s on top of previous declines from 2022/23. So we’re seeing sharp falls in arrivals, not growth and unprecedented numbers.
And then the vast majority of arrivals are needed:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67b712da78dd6cacb71c6a75/iss-dec2
(From here https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-endi
They’re desperately needed to prop up multiple sectors and notably health/social care and education/research. Attacking these groups has lead to significant falls in applications and arrivals (78% drop for health and care workers, 11% drop for students and 83% drop for student families). This is hurting our health and social care system and currently devastating universities with mass redundancies (of which I’m one).
So in short, the narrative hasn’t kept up with what’s happening to the numbers and is also deliberately misleading. But then the likes of Farage don’t care about the facts. It’s a classic populist move to attract voters even though voting for them is not in our best interests (see also Johnson, Brexit, Trump, Orban in Hungary, Bolsonaro In Brazil, etc). [Post edited 2 May 9:53]
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See i don't dispute your figures but then you get another set of figures from someone else that looks at things in a slightly different way and you get a totally different conclusion and its difficult to get to truth. Certainly I would always need to hear from both sides before making a judgment. |  |
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| Reform on 11:34 - May 2 with 1563 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Reform on 10:35 - May 2 by Libero |
Oh TWTD, lol.
It takes some whopper to down-vote a bloke talking about the very real concerns he has for his disabled son.
Nasty stuff, but unsurprising. |
Pathetic isn't it | | | |
| Reform on 11:36 - May 2 with 1517 views | NeedhamChris |
You could at least bother to engage with the detailed justification... | |
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| Reform on 11:36 - May 2 with 1527 views | Libero |
Just weird-ass behaviour - I had the inital downvoted on ignore from when he previously made a total wally of himself, just popped his accomplice on the same naughty step.
Lowlifes. [Post edited 2 May 11:36]
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| Reform on 11:37 - May 2 with 1500 views | leitrimblue |
| Reform on 11:27 - May 2 by reusersfreekicks |
That's a pathetic conclusion and insulting to those of us who live here |
Well if Labour ever choose to go back to representing the poorest in society they may change my mind. But until then man of the people/privileged public school banker seems the more amusing option  |  | | |
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