| Terror plot thwarted on 20:02 - May 4 with 1106 views | blueasfook |
| Terror plot thwarted on 19:41 - May 4 by PhilTWTD |
Not sure there's any need for some of the baseless speculation/generalising that was in this thread. This isn't Twitter. |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 20:29 - May 4 with 1018 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| Terror plot thwarted on 17:06 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
Indeed. The record numbers coming by boat must be a real challenge too, given that it can't be easy to know much about them and their intentions.
To be clear: not saying all of those crossing the channel are terrorists, far from it. More a case of how would we know if a handful were |
Aaaaaaand there it is. |  | | |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:31 - May 4 with 1009 views | NeedhamChris |
You going to offer any meaningful contribution either? |  |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 20:34 - May 4 with 1000 views | bournemouthblue |
| Terror plot thwarted on 19:40 - May 4 by textbackup |
Take it my care and worry for those involved doesn’t sit well with the TWTD police.
Which is weird considering normally having a leftie view is in keeping with the cool gang on here. |
It amuses me that the right think they have some kind superiority on crime, the Tories 14 years was absolutely disastrous
Lefties of course would want law enforcement funded properly, the Tories just want to outsource it to G4S or Serco |  |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 20:37 - May 4 with 976 views | NeedhamChris |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:34 - May 4 by bournemouthblue |
It amuses me that the right think they have some kind superiority on crime, the Tories 14 years was absolutely disastrous
Lefties of course would want law enforcement funded properly, the Tories just want to outsource it to G4S or Serco |
What side of the political spectrum is most associated with defunding the police again? | |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 20:40 - May 4 with 960 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:31 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
You going to offer any meaningful contribution either? |
To which bit? The faux innocent initial post, or the gross follow-up which was clearly the entire point of your thread.
Not sure whether you thinking people wouldn't immediately clock your blatent intent is cute, insulting or just absolutely pitiful. | | | |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:40 - May 4 with 962 views | StokieBlue |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:37 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
What side of the political spectrum is most associated with defunding the police again? |
That's incredibly disingenuous as you well know.
If you want to go down this route the party which has actually defunded the police is the Republicans under Trump.
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| Terror plot thwarted on 20:41 - May 4 with 954 views | StokieBlue |
| Terror plot thwarted on 19:43 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
Would be nice if posters jumping onto threads with nothing but personal attacks was given short shrift as well.
Edit: attacks might be a bit strong in this instance, but it's fairly clear where this thread is going now. [Post edited 4 May 19:44]
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Not going in the direction of casual racism like it was before?
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| Terror plot thwarted on 20:41 - May 4 with 944 views | Mullet |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:37 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
What side of the political spectrum is most associated with defunding the police again? |
This isn't America, so that doesn't make any sense at all where policing and police funding is different state to state.
I have to say, I've clearly missed a load of stuff but your shift to "boat people = terrorists" stuff is pretty disgusting. You don't seem consistent at all in your criticism and baiting of a few you've had a row with, vs those who share your views this weekend. |  |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 20:46 - May 4 with 909 views | NeedhamChris |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:41 - May 4 by Mullet |
This isn't America, so that doesn't make any sense at all where policing and police funding is different state to state.
I have to say, I've clearly missed a load of stuff but your shift to "boat people = terrorists" stuff is pretty disgusting. You don't seem consistent at all in your criticism and baiting of a few you've had a row with, vs those who share your views this weekend. |
Now I've had a PM from Phil before with a telling off for misrepresenting other posters. All things being equal - that would happen here.
I have said nothing like boat people = terrorist. My post (that you're referring to) said 2 things;
1) That 11000+ people coming by boat must make life harder for the security services. Do you disagree?
2) I asked how would we know if any were terrorists - and specified that I was "not saying all of those crossing the channel are terrorists, far from it". How would we know?
I've then subsequently said that we need ample safe and legal routes. That's not an anti-immigration position at all.
edit: positivity managed to disagree with my post and then engage in a perfectly civil discussion afterwards. Why is that so hard? [Post edited 4 May 20:48]
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| Terror plot thwarted on 20:52 - May 4 with 878 views | NeedhamChris |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:40 - May 4 by StokieBlue |
That's incredibly disingenuous as you well know.
If you want to go down this route the party which has actually defunded the police is the Republicans under Trump.
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Where is your evidence? Democrats will be more likely to want to defund the police than Republicans.
That the Trump administration has managed to do it because he's an incompetent narcissist is a separate point (albeit one I agree with) [Post edited 4 May 20:52]
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| Terror plot thwarted on 20:53 - May 4 with 873 views | Mullet |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:46 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
Now I've had a PM from Phil before with a telling off for misrepresenting other posters. All things being equal - that would happen here.
I have said nothing like boat people = terrorist. My post (that you're referring to) said 2 things;
1) That 11000+ people coming by boat must make life harder for the security services. Do you disagree?
2) I asked how would we know if any were terrorists - and specified that I was "not saying all of those crossing the channel are terrorists, far from it". How would we know?
I've then subsequently said that we need ample safe and legal routes. That's not an anti-immigration position at all.
edit: positivity managed to disagree with my post and then engage in a perfectly civil discussion afterwards. Why is that so hard? [Post edited 4 May 20:48]
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I said you pivoted towards it, if we're going to play semantics, you'll lose. It was a clear nod to a lazy far right trope, designed to get bites and division.
It was pretty clear why you raised the idea when this was Iranian nationals in coordinated plot. Much likeyour "defund the police" blunder you'd have to be either completely clueless to suggest this had anything to do with people on boat crossings.
Iran is an incredibly hostile nation and like the Russians with the Salisbury plot is more than capable of placing agents in this country - espeically as there are large Iranian populations here. People who are legitimate refugees from state terror.
Why would prospective terrorists come here via a dangerous method where they will effectively be rounded up and put in custody upon arrival? | |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 20:58 - May 4 with 837 views | StokieBlue |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:52 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
Where is your evidence? Democrats will be more likely to want to defund the police than Republicans.
That the Trump administration has managed to do it because he's an incompetent narcissist is a separate point (albeit one I agree with) [Post edited 4 May 20:52]
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Firstly you know that "defund the police" isn't actually defunding the police but you're being disingenuous pushing it in the way you are.
Secondly, the fact that Trump has actually done it undermines your point given he still has a high approval rating with Republicans so they must not be against it.
It's interesting that for someone against arguments and bullying you're almost constantly arguing and bullying on here.
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| Terror plot thwarted on 21:10 - May 4 with 737 views | vapour_trail |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:53 - May 4 by Mullet |
I said you pivoted towards it, if we're going to play semantics, you'll lose. It was a clear nod to a lazy far right trope, designed to get bites and division.
It was pretty clear why you raised the idea when this was Iranian nationals in coordinated plot. Much likeyour "defund the police" blunder you'd have to be either completely clueless to suggest this had anything to do with people on boat crossings.
Iran is an incredibly hostile nation and like the Russians with the Salisbury plot is more than capable of placing agents in this country - espeically as there are large Iranian populations here. People who are legitimate refugees from state terror.
Why would prospective terrorists come here via a dangerous method where they will effectively be rounded up and put in custody upon arrival? |
Alright mullers.
Still being a northerner?
I think it’s very clear the schtick that our friend from the market has adopted here. Arguing with him is what he’s looking for. |  |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 21:24 - May 4 with 668 views | Herbivore |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:37 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
What side of the political spectrum is most associated with defunding the police again? |
Didn't the Tories cut tens of thousands of police officer posts during their first decade in power? |  |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 21:25 - May 4 with 666 views | Mullet |
| Terror plot thwarted on 21:10 - May 4 by vapour_trail |
Alright mullers.
Still being a northerner?
I think it’s very clear the schtick that our friend from the market has adopted here. Arguing with him is what he’s looking for. |
Still as always.
I'm no expert on said schtick so forgive me if I'm being trolled. I assumed he was at least genuine. | |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 21:27 - May 4 with 650 views | DJR |
Given the following from a speech by the Director General of MI5 last October, I assume this is more likely to involve the Iranian state rather than people crossing in small boats.
"As events unfold in the Middle East, we will give our fullest attention to the risk of an increase in – or a broadening of – Iranian state aggression in the UK.
Like the Russian services, Iranian state actors make extensive use of criminals as proxies – from international drug traffickers to low-level crooks. Last December a man was jailed for reconnaissance he had carried out against the then-headquarters of the Iran International media organisation." [Post edited 4 May 21:27]
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| Terror plot thwarted on 21:30 - May 4 with 624 views | vapour_trail |
| Terror plot thwarted on 21:25 - May 4 by Mullet |
Still as always.
I'm no expert on said schtick so forgive me if I'm being trolled. I assumed he was at least genuine. |
There’s always hope eh.
And Christ, no. | |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 21:39 - May 4 with 572 views | NeedhamChris |
| Terror plot thwarted on 21:30 - May 4 by vapour_trail |
There’s always hope eh.
And Christ, no. |
And still the personal attack driven narrative continues. | |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 21:47 - May 4 with 538 views | NeedhamChris |
| Terror plot thwarted on 20:53 - May 4 by Mullet |
I said you pivoted towards it, if we're going to play semantics, you'll lose. It was a clear nod to a lazy far right trope, designed to get bites and division.
It was pretty clear why you raised the idea when this was Iranian nationals in coordinated plot. Much likeyour "defund the police" blunder you'd have to be either completely clueless to suggest this had anything to do with people on boat crossings.
Iran is an incredibly hostile nation and like the Russians with the Salisbury plot is more than capable of placing agents in this country - espeically as there are large Iranian populations here. People who are legitimate refugees from state terror.
Why would prospective terrorists come here via a dangerous method where they will effectively be rounded up and put in custody upon arrival? |
I agree on Iran - and this proposed attack has nothing to do with the boats. I haven't said that either - unless you can point out where I have?
However it's not unfair to say that boat crossing have added to the counter-terror workload.
On your last point - counter terrorism powers were specifically expanded to include the potential threat of those arriving illegally - and it was well reported (in places such as the I - not the Mail/other traditionally right-wing places) that the security agencies were worried about the possibility.
What makes Mullet on TWTD more confident than them? | |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 21:54 - May 4 with 502 views | Mullet |
| Terror plot thwarted on 21:47 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
I agree on Iran - and this proposed attack has nothing to do with the boats. I haven't said that either - unless you can point out where I have?
However it's not unfair to say that boat crossing have added to the counter-terror workload.
On your last point - counter terrorism powers were specifically expanded to include the potential threat of those arriving illegally - and it was well reported (in places such as the I - not the Mail/other traditionally right-wing places) that the security agencies were worried about the possibility.
What makes Mullet on TWTD more confident than them? |
You posted a link about Iranians being arrested for a terror plot
You then made a post about terrorism via boat crossings
You're now suggesting that I've said there's zero threat, without addressing your own implications. These aren't the same things. You're not even denying or defending your linking of racism/racist tropes/ baiting but trying to do some bad faith argument instead.
The threat you were celebrating being neutralised has precisely zero to do with boat crossings, or it increasing the workload of security services. The point you're now making, is entirely disingenuous. If the security service didn't acknowledge or comment on the possibility you'd be up in arms about that too. | |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 22:09 - May 4 with 445 views | Meadowlark |
| Terror plot thwarted on 17:06 - May 4 by NeedhamChris |
Indeed. The record numbers coming by boat must be a real challenge too, given that it can't be easy to know much about them and their intentions.
To be clear: not saying all of those crossing the channel are terrorists, far from it. More a case of how would we know if a handful were |
Hahaha.
Cleverly done.
So when you said "not saying all of those crossing the channel are terrorists," "to be clear" You actually meant the opposite. |  | | |
| Terror plot thwarted on 23:26 - May 4 with 331 views | blueasfook |
| Terror plot thwarted on 21:27 - May 4 by DJR |
Given the following from a speech by the Director General of MI5 last October, I assume this is more likely to involve the Iranian state rather than people crossing in small boats.
"As events unfold in the Middle East, we will give our fullest attention to the risk of an increase in – or a broadening of – Iranian state aggression in the UK.
Like the Russian services, Iranian state actors make extensive use of criminals as proxies – from international drug traffickers to low-level crooks. Last December a man was jailed for reconnaissance he had carried out against the then-headquarters of the Iran International media organisation." [Post edited 4 May 21:27]
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I think i accidentally reported reported that as abuse. Sorry! Was reading on my phone. Must have accidentally clicked the abuse button! Doh | |
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| Terror plot thwarted on 06:08 - May 5 with 159 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Terror plot thwarted on 22:09 - May 4 by Meadowlark |
Hahaha.
Cleverly done.
So when you said "not saying all of those crossing the channel are terrorists," "to be clear" You actually meant the opposite. |
Disgusting isn't it? And to think he thinks he's conning us. Virtually everyone has seen through it. |  |
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