| New job dilemma 22:47 - May 8 with 3456 views | Paul |
Applied for and was successful in securing a new management role, which is something I have been working towards for years.
However, it has now emerged that the role is 100% on-site with no flexibility which does not work for us as a family. My current role, in the same profession, is 90% remote working so it's very frustrating that the management role isn't even hybrid. Have asked about hybrid options but been told it's not an option.
I have not signed the contract offer yet. My instinct is to reject the job and stay where I am as I have to put my family first, but wondered what the users of TWTD would do? |  | | |  |
| New job dilemma on 09:14 - May 9 with 804 views | Guthrum |
| New job dilemma on 08:19 - May 9 by blueasfook |
Stuff your family and your job, move to Thailand and hook up with a ladyboy |
That's a heck of a long commute. |  |
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| New job dilemma on 09:22 - May 9 with 792 views | itfcjoe |
My wife has just had this, in Covid they had a number of changes which opened up jobs to staff throughout the country rather than just those who live near their main offices.
But now they want everyone back in the office more, she is one of a few who now have exceptions written in their contract and now has to do 1 day a month in the office (Northampton) where everyone else is 1-2 days a week minimum.
But they earmarked her for promotion, but insisted she now has to go in 1 day a week - a fair bit of back and forth and didn't take the job but she's now in the awkward situation where her manager has basically still seen her as promoted so gets lots of extra work, and somebody else has been promoted in her team who then resents this and makes a big deal of it so she's stuck trying to fit a full time job into part time hours with loads of politics going on around her.......so whichever option she chose it doesn't work as well as it was!
But, ultimately she is still happy in the main, the job suits our work-life balance as a family and if she did have to travel more would be noticeably worse for a ,little bit of extra cash |  |
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| New job dilemma on 09:29 - May 9 with 778 views | Trequartista |
Are you Paul Lambert, Paul Hurst or Paul Jewell? Either way I'd take the Watford job, you'll free to enjoy your family by September. |  |
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| New job dilemma on 09:32 - May 9 with 762 views | Churchman |
| New job dilemma on 08:19 - May 9 by textbackup |
If a role doesn’t give you family flexibility, the chance to WFH if needed, then IMO that company wouldn’t be great to work for.
We spend so little time on this planet, that spending it in an office full of people that aren’t your friends, being just a number and easily replaceable, just doesn’t seem a well spent amount of time.
The only place you can’t be replaced is at home. |
You can be if you are kicked out and the postman moves in.
On a serious note you are right of course. |  | | |
| New job dilemma on 09:55 - May 9 with 726 views | textbackup |
| New job dilemma on 08:54 - May 9 by artsbossbeard |
The horror words that I dread reading:
"We're organising a Team night out" & "Friday"
Not only have I got to spend time with people I don't class as friends, I've got to give up a Friday night. Ba5tards. |
Luckily the team nights out are always in London, and oh dear I’ve got pre booked timed trains that I MUST get! |  |
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| New job dilemma on 10:33 - May 9 with 696 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
Slightly derailing the thread, but the concept of WFH is strange. I've done it now since January, having been desperate to find a WFH job for ages.
On one hand, part of me misses having some time out in the real world interacting with people, but part of me also finds the idea of a commute a real ballache now.
The job I do is quite repetitive, but then I guess most jobs are. Motivation can be hard to find sometimes, even though I am helping lots of people through my work.
But overall, I think the benefits in terms of flexibility and comfort etc are hugely significant. EDIT: I also have far more energy in the evening, don't have to get up early, haven't been sick since leaving an office. [Post edited 9 May 10:36]
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| New job dilemma on 10:35 - May 9 with 689 views | Paul |
Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
Like has been said, when I read my post back I realised I had answered my dilemma myself. My kids are 8, 6 and 3 so family absolutely comes first and as someone commented, they are only young once. So have gone with my gut and politely declined the offer. | | | |
| New job dilemma on 10:42 - May 9 with 655 views | textbackup |
| New job dilemma on 10:35 - May 9 by Paul |
Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
Like has been said, when I read my post back I realised I had answered my dilemma myself. My kids are 8, 6 and 3 so family absolutely comes first and as someone commented, they are only young once. So have gone with my gut and politely declined the offer. |
Wise man
Best of luck finding a new role with some flexibility | |
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| New job dilemma on 10:56 - May 9 with 632 views | J2BLUE |
I am 100% remote and I am never going back to an office.
It sounds like you know the right choice is to turn it down. |  |
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| New job dilemma on 10:57 - May 9 with 630 views | MattinLondon |
| New job dilemma on 10:33 - May 9 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Slightly derailing the thread, but the concept of WFH is strange. I've done it now since January, having been desperate to find a WFH job for ages.
On one hand, part of me misses having some time out in the real world interacting with people, but part of me also finds the idea of a commute a real ballache now.
The job I do is quite repetitive, but then I guess most jobs are. Motivation can be hard to find sometimes, even though I am helping lots of people through my work.
But overall, I think the benefits in terms of flexibility and comfort etc are hugely significant. EDIT: I also have far more energy in the evening, don't have to get up early, haven't been sick since leaving an office. [Post edited 9 May 10:36]
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Even more detailing from the OP - When in the office, the commute is two hours (there-and-back). It’s two hours which I can’t work as I’m dealing with private and confidential matters relating to clients. So basically it’s me seating in a train, reading a book or looking out of the window.
At home I can start work in my pjs, take the kids to school but still be on credit in terms of hours worked. I work harder at home as I’m a bit paranoid that others might think that I’m not actually doing any work. But I feel that I have more energy when WFH.
Someone did tell me that the biggest advocates for returning to the office have shared etc in office accommodation. I’m not sure whether this is true or not, but if it is then I’m sure that that is just a coincidence with no conflict of interest. |  | | |
| New job dilemma on 11:13 - May 9 with 610 views | textbackup |
| New job dilemma on 10:57 - May 9 by MattinLondon |
Even more detailing from the OP - When in the office, the commute is two hours (there-and-back). It’s two hours which I can’t work as I’m dealing with private and confidential matters relating to clients. So basically it’s me seating in a train, reading a book or looking out of the window.
At home I can start work in my pjs, take the kids to school but still be on credit in terms of hours worked. I work harder at home as I’m a bit paranoid that others might think that I’m not actually doing any work. But I feel that I have more energy when WFH.
Someone did tell me that the biggest advocates for returning to the office have shared etc in office accommodation. I’m not sure whether this is true or not, but if it is then I’m sure that that is just a coincidence with no conflict of interest. |
I’m not into politics, but I saw a thing on instagram where Reform are pushing for no working from home, yet have 9 jobs on their website where the location is ‘from home’ | |
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| New job dilemma on 11:37 - May 9 with 585 views | itfcjoe |
| New job dilemma on 11:13 - May 9 by textbackup |
I’m not into politics, but I saw a thing on instagram where Reform are pushing for no working from home, yet have 9 jobs on their website where the location is ‘from home’ |
Because that's what populist politics is all about
When they say 'no more working from home' - they mean us not them
When Farage wants out of the EU he can do son knowing his children have German passports and won't be effected, no stuffs give about our kids
When they say too many kids are going to university, they don't mean their kids who are entitles to, they mean our kids | |
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| New job dilemma on 11:37 - May 9 with 579 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| New job dilemma on 10:57 - May 9 by MattinLondon |
Even more detailing from the OP - When in the office, the commute is two hours (there-and-back). It’s two hours which I can’t work as I’m dealing with private and confidential matters relating to clients. So basically it’s me seating in a train, reading a book or looking out of the window.
At home I can start work in my pjs, take the kids to school but still be on credit in terms of hours worked. I work harder at home as I’m a bit paranoid that others might think that I’m not actually doing any work. But I feel that I have more energy when WFH.
Someone did tell me that the biggest advocates for returning to the office have shared etc in office accommodation. I’m not sure whether this is true or not, but if it is then I’m sure that that is just a coincidence with no conflict of interest. |
It's different for me as I only get paid for the work that I do. This makes the self-motivation even more important as if I don't work I don't get paid.
But I can 100% set my own schedule, and if I need to leave a few tasks today then I can do them tomorrow.
I can also work flat out for an hour, get more done than I probably 'need' to in that time, and then have a break for 30 minutes if I wish.
And like I say, every bit of work that I do is helping someone. Overall I probably can't complain!
Were you once fully in the office before having some days WFH? If so do you now find that the commute on those office days grates on you even more? | |
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| New job dilemma on 11:42 - May 9 with 562 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| New job dilemma on 11:37 - May 9 by itfcjoe |
Because that's what populist politics is all about
When they say 'no more working from home' - they mean us not them
When Farage wants out of the EU he can do son knowing his children have German passports and won't be effected, no stuffs give about our kids
When they say too many kids are going to university, they don't mean their kids who are entitles to, they mean our kids |
Luckily the company I am working for remotely isn't UK-based, so hopefully that shouldn't matter. | |
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| New job dilemma on 12:03 - May 9 with 527 views | J2BLUE |
| New job dilemma on 11:42 - May 9 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Luckily the company I am working for remotely isn't UK-based, so hopefully that shouldn't matter. |
It's for UK councils, not private companies. | |
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| New job dilemma on 13:15 - May 9 with 475 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
If they weren't transparent from the off that's a red flag to me.
Take confidence from the fact that you were successful and you'd have to think the right role is out there if you keep looking. You can feel really good going into the next interview you have and that will shine through even more |  |
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| New job dilemma on 13:26 - May 9 with 461 views | Reuser_is_God |
| New job dilemma on 10:33 - May 9 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Slightly derailing the thread, but the concept of WFH is strange. I've done it now since January, having been desperate to find a WFH job for ages.
On one hand, part of me misses having some time out in the real world interacting with people, but part of me also finds the idea of a commute a real ballache now.
The job I do is quite repetitive, but then I guess most jobs are. Motivation can be hard to find sometimes, even though I am helping lots of people through my work.
But overall, I think the benefits in terms of flexibility and comfort etc are hugely significant. EDIT: I also have far more energy in the evening, don't have to get up early, haven't been sick since leaving an office. [Post edited 9 May 10:36]
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I don’t mind WFH but absolutely no way I could do it full time.
1 or 2 days a month when the sun is shining is enough for me. |  |
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| New job dilemma on 14:37 - May 9 with 421 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| New job dilemma on 13:26 - May 9 by Reuser_is_God |
I don’t mind WFH but absolutely no way I could do it full time.
1 or 2 days a month when the sun is shining is enough for me. |
I will take a guess that you are therefore more extroverted?
I'm on the other end of the scale, so it doesn't bother me too much, but I do need to get out in the real world a few times a week during personal time.
Plus the job involves some real-time interaction every day. [Post edited 9 May 14:37]
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| New job dilemma on 14:58 - May 9 with 392 views | baxterbasics |
I had enforced WFH for 9 months during Covid and came to hate it.
I now have a job were WFH isn't officially an option but I can use it now and then if I have an appointment or a delivery to be home for or the car is being repaired, it's nice to have that flexibility.
But there's just too many distractions at home to do it all the time - doesn't help that my only 'office space' is a corner desk in the lounge.
Even with a 40 min commute up the A14, I prefer the office. |  |
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| New job dilemma on 16:05 - May 9 with 341 views | Churchman |
| New job dilemma on 14:58 - May 9 by baxterbasics |
I had enforced WFH for 9 months during Covid and came to hate it.
I now have a job were WFH isn't officially an option but I can use it now and then if I have an appointment or a delivery to be home for or the car is being repaired, it's nice to have that flexibility.
But there's just too many distractions at home to do it all the time - doesn't help that my only 'office space' is a corner desk in the lounge.
Even with a 40 min commute up the A14, I prefer the office. |
I was WFH in my last four years of working about a day a week when I could. I really liked it because I could do an awful lot without interruption. I actually used the end of the front room which is a long one and replicated the office set up with two screens plus surface pro, work phone etc.
Instead of up at six o’clock for the 1 hour 20 minimum journey into Whitehall it was 20 seconds down the stairs. Happy days. It required a lot of flexibility in that there were a lot of meetings where I had to be present so some weeks I was in the office the full five days. No problem.
The nature of the work allowed me to WFH at times and I enjoyed it. Being oddly disciplined work wise (a mess in everything else) I found it productive. In addition to appointments etc WFH was really handy over Christmas and Easter where I could work (or just be on call) without having to endure the shrunken public transport provision.
Obviously it’s not for everyone and some forms of work don’t suit it, but I don’t hold the view that Johnson did that WFH = raiding the fridge for cheese. That sack of brown stuff might’ve done, I did not. If you don’t trust your staff to be productive, there’s either something wrong with your management or you need to replace those people.
There is a place for flexible working in my view. | | | |
| New job dilemma on 22:57 - May 9 with 260 views | TheBlueGnu |
I would, without any doubt, consult Barbara Knox |  |
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| New job dilemma on 23:38 - May 9 with 228 views | Swailsey |
Trust your gut. And if it doesn’t work for your family, you’ll only be able to do it for so long. Roles should be clear from the start if they are hybrid or not. If they were shady about this, it doesn’t bode well at all - steer clear. |  |
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