| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… 11:03 - May 11 with 1555 views | John_Warks_Willy |
…playing rather Delap?
Delap is incredible, yes, and a hell of a finisher. So not a criticism of him as a player.
A bit like the Haaland at Man City argument I guess. 😊 |  |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:12 - May 11 with 1510 views | textbackup |
Delap has been very good in a number of games. Not sure I’d stretch to incredible |  |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:29 - May 11 with 1464 views | norfsufblue |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:12 - May 11 by textbackup |
Delap has been very good in a number of games. Not sure I’d stretch to incredible |
I just love to see for a small part of the game both Hirst and Delap playing alongside each other just to fully occupy opposition centre backs.... who knows what sace that might create out wide?..... i guess theres good reasons against it but not much has really worked |  | | |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:33 - May 11 with 1452 views | Jon_456 |
I actually think Delaps performances have dropped off over the past couple of months or so. Understandable given his age and how we’ve relied on him so much.
Very capable player clearly but still has a lot to learn. Certainly needs to work on retaining possession instead of trying to take on 6 players.
As you say we look a much better team with Hirst in who is excellent at bringing others into play. |  | | |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:41 - May 11 with 1416 views | Nutkins_Return |
Of course you are allowed to say it. But just like the Haaland argument you mention it's mostly nonsense. Can Hirst do some things better than Delap, yes sure. But the reality is Delap is one of our best players and we are better with him hands down. He's just turned 22 a d playing in a weak Prem team on 22 points. He's not going to look great every game unfortunately and Hirst in fresh may be able to do a bit more.
The Haaland arguments equally are ridiculous. It's almost like they didn't win the treble for the first time with him and have struggled this season with all his injuries (and obviously Rodri's).
Of course it makes us all feel better with Delap going to say we look more rounded with him. (As I say in some games that can be perfectly true. I dare say Delap would make a big impact off the bench!) [Post edited 11 May 11:43]
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:47 - May 11 with 1387 views | olimar |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:33 - May 11 by Jon_456 |
I actually think Delaps performances have dropped off over the past couple of months or so. Understandable given his age and how we’ve relied on him so much.
Very capable player clearly but still has a lot to learn. Certainly needs to work on retaining possession instead of trying to take on 6 players.
As you say we look a much better team with Hirst in who is excellent at bringing others into play. |
Id have said that a month or so back, but he had a series of strong performances v Bournemouth, Wolves and Newcastle, where he led the line really well and was pretty mature in how he won free kicks etc. Also was decent last weekend at Everton.
Was also injured for the games in between. | | | |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:57 - May 11 with 1336 views | chicoazul |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:47 - May 11 by olimar |
Id have said that a month or so back, but he had a series of strong performances v Bournemouth, Wolves and Newcastle, where he led the line really well and was pretty mature in how he won free kicks etc. Also was decent last weekend at Everton.
Was also injured for the games in between. |
You do wonder if some people watch our games with their eyes open. The literal job of our 9 whoever it is is to hold the ball, beat up centre halves, chase lost causes, and get us up the pitch. Delap is very good at all of thes, so is Hirst but not at the same level.
We need the new Shefki when we go down. |  |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 12:08 - May 11 with 1289 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:57 - May 11 by chicoazul |
You do wonder if some people watch our games with their eyes open. The literal job of our 9 whoever it is is to hold the ball, beat up centre halves, chase lost causes, and get us up the pitch. Delap is very good at all of thes, so is Hirst but not at the same level.
We need the new Shefki when we go down. |
Sorry but I disagree. Delap is good with the ball at his feet and running powerfully. He's a joy to watch.
But for me Hirst brings other players into the game more. |  | | |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:06 - May 11 with 1163 views | Wickets |
Perhaps worth remembering that while Delap is on the pitch we play I up front with little or no support, when Hirst comes on we are usually behind and chasing the ga.e so he has a lot more support |  | | |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:15 - May 11 with 1133 views | bournemouthblue |
You are |  |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:17 - May 11 with 1129 views | bournemouthblue |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:33 - May 11 by Jon_456 |
I actually think Delaps performances have dropped off over the past couple of months or so. Understandable given his age and how we’ve relied on him so much.
Very capable player clearly but still has a lot to learn. Certainly needs to work on retaining possession instead of trying to take on 6 players.
As you say we look a much better team with Hirst in who is excellent at bringing others into play. |
This comes back to us not signing another striker in either window which was a massive cock up on our part
I actually think we could have played Delap on the wing at times but that isn't really possible with two fit strikers, we desperately needed a third option | |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:23 - May 11 with 1108 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 12:08 - May 11 by flykickingbybgunn |
Sorry but I disagree. Delap is good with the ball at his feet and running powerfully. He's a joy to watch.
But for me Hirst brings other players into the game more. |
Which is ironically why Delap would have scored the chances that Hirst missed. He definitely would have scored where Hirst fell over, maybe not the header. |  | | |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:32 - May 11 with 1070 views | ArnieM |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:41 - May 11 by Nutkins_Return |
Of course you are allowed to say it. But just like the Haaland argument you mention it's mostly nonsense. Can Hirst do some things better than Delap, yes sure. But the reality is Delap is one of our best players and we are better with him hands down. He's just turned 22 a d playing in a weak Prem team on 22 points. He's not going to look great every game unfortunately and Hirst in fresh may be able to do a bit more.
The Haaland arguments equally are ridiculous. It's almost like they didn't win the treble for the first time with him and have struggled this season with all his injuries (and obviously Rodri's).
Of course it makes us all feel better with Delap going to say we look more rounded with him. (As I say in some games that can be perfectly true. I dare say Delap would make a big impact off the bench!) [Post edited 11 May 11:43]
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I don't think we are better with Delap as the leader of the line. We are actually more one dimensional, and far less effective as an attacking frontline. |  |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:36 - May 11 with 1038 views | Garv |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 11:41 - May 11 by Nutkins_Return |
Of course you are allowed to say it. But just like the Haaland argument you mention it's mostly nonsense. Can Hirst do some things better than Delap, yes sure. But the reality is Delap is one of our best players and we are better with him hands down. He's just turned 22 a d playing in a weak Prem team on 22 points. He's not going to look great every game unfortunately and Hirst in fresh may be able to do a bit more.
The Haaland arguments equally are ridiculous. It's almost like they didn't win the treble for the first time with him and have struggled this season with all his injuries (and obviously Rodri's).
Of course it makes us all feel better with Delap going to say we look more rounded with him. (As I say in some games that can be perfectly true. I dare say Delap would make a big impact off the bench!) [Post edited 11 May 11:43]
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I am surprised we haven't used the Delap off the bench option more this season. |  |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:36 - May 11 with 1039 views | bluesym |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:17 - May 11 by bournemouthblue |
This comes back to us not signing another striker in either window which was a massive cock up on our part
I actually think we could have played Delap on the wing at times but that isn't really possible with two fit strikers, we desperately needed a third option |
100% this,which seems to have been a recurring theme of the last couple of seasons where the squad has been a number 9 light (IMO). |  |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:41 - May 11 with 1016 views | bournemouthblue |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:36 - May 11 by bluesym |
100% this,which seems to have been a recurring theme of the last couple of seasons where the squad has been a number 9 light (IMO). |
Keiffer Moore served a very useful purpose and we could have signed him but it was on the proviso we were going tk find a better alternative and in reality Delap was a gokd signing but Ali Al-Hamadi wasn't going to be PL standard as well we knew
Delap was never meant to be our main man, that was a happy accident
But clearly we wanted Broja and didn't get him, we seemed to have no plan B to Broja and panicked
How we didn't then have someone lined up for January is beyond me, perhaps we simply spent those remaining funds on Enciso and Philogene? | |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 14:00 - May 11 with 966 views | bournemouthblue |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:36 - May 11 by bluesym |
100% this,which seems to have been a recurring theme of the last couple of seasons where the squad has been a number 9 light (IMO). |
It's actually a reoccurring problem under McKenna and not just with us, at Man United when he was first team coach, they never seemed to work out how best to use their strikers
They got Lukaku in from memory and never quite got that right | |
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 19:07 - May 11 with 715 views | BrandonsBlues |
to your title, yes | | | |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 07:46 - May 12 with 503 views | PioneerBlue |
The inconsistency and phasing of the season makes this difficult to read to much into eitherway. We started with the knowledge we wouldn’t have much of the ball and brought players with development potential and set up for fast transition, that didn’t work because we were consistently picked off on the counter however this did work for Delap and he became the master at dragging us up the pitch and beating a few defenders. In the mid season we had to be a bit more cautious and less gung-ho to try and accumulate points which worked against us and meant Delap had little support when we ventured into attacking phases of play. Now more recently it’s done, teams were fully committing to containing us in the knowledge we’d set with less attacking intent on expectation of taking points and we did little to counter as we looked to make use of the very deep block.
Hirst might have helped had he been fit earlier in season. He certainly offers the space for the forward players to operate. I think had he been fit Hirst and Delap would have offered a good mix when it really counted but we desperately needed another strong forward to help keep the ball at the top of the pitch from the start of the season. [Post edited 12 May 8:49]
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 07:58 - May 12 with 468 views | Churchman |
I’ll go further. Hirst is a better player than Delap at this moment in time. His all round game is excellent. The only question mark against Hirst is fitness.
Delap though will be a far better player. Big, strong, brave, knows where the goal is and leaves his markers bruised. At the moment he’s still learning the game, including where to be and when to pass the ball. His potential is massive.
To do what he’s done in a poor team is a credit to him. I hope wherever he goes he gets games. There is no point at his age shining his rear end on the dugout car seats. I wish him well. [Post edited 12 May 9:14]
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| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 08:38 - May 12 with 394 views | BondiBlue |
| Am I allowed to say that we look a more rounded and effective team with Hirst… on 13:32 - May 11 by ArnieM |
I don't think we are better with Delap as the leader of the line. We are actually more one dimensional, and far less effective as an attacking frontline. |
Something that's very noticeable when both delap and enciso are playing is that we don't pass to each other much in the final third. Almost certainly a deliberate tactic to enable us to leave more back but it can be frustrating. Apart from when enciso slaps it in from 30 yards. | |
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