| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? 08:01 - May 20 with 3591 views | wolfyattheback |
in today's market, 30m is nothing for a quality player. We can dress it up that he is not the finished article etc. to make us feel better, but a better team will provide him with much better chances to score and more chances at that. I would fancy him to be getting 15–20 goals next season for whoever he plays for.
We've had our pants pulled down, haven't we? In our desperation to sign a striker we have agreed to a silly clause which has ultimately shown our newbie status in the Premiership and possibly cost us many millions.
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:18 - May 20 with 622 views | BseaBlue |
Frustrated - Yes. Is it disappointing - Yes.
But really, who's fault is it? We took a bit of a gamble on the fee as it was for a player that had made a few appearances in the Champ and hardly set the world alight. He was clearly a priority so we had to bend to the clause.
It is ok to be frustrated without pointing blame though. Not an ideal situation but we take the profit and move on! |  | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:24 - May 20 with 593 views | ArnieM |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:03 - May 20 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Would you have preferred to have not signed him and he had gone to Southampton or Leicester instead?
It is a tidy profit on a player who did well for us while he was here. Had things turned out better and we had stayed up, he wouldn't be going for that fee at all. |
You'd have to sit back now and reflect on all of our summer signings. Every one of them seemingly £20m... yet we are gifting away Delap for a paltry £30m. Hardly surprising every PL is circling. Totally Naive by Ashton, and I doubt we'd get £20m fir Philogene now. It's laughable what we've spent for inexperienced young players that are arguably no better than the promotion winning squad they've joined. The PL old boys certainly saw Ashton coming didnt they. |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:29 - May 20 with 585 views | Herbivore |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 09:06 - May 20 by Jrm_72 |
It's not the release clause, or the buyback for that matter, that irks me. Its that it's another one of a growing list of things from the club that they talk utter b/s on and expect us to blindly go along with it. A position aided by the merry band of fans that will readily die on the hill of 'Ashton is the messiah', 'McKenna is a genius' and pile on anyone that dares criticise either.
Ashton said 'we are very very very very well protected on Delap' or however many extra 'very's' he added. Which to anyone awake is pure fiction. We got the player, but negotiated poorly and ended up with a lopsided deal, both in the players favour, and his previous club. And no, before some smarta*se comments, I wasnt in the room, I haven't seen the contract. But let's pick up the phone and speak to Ronnie Real here, things get round easily enough for us all to know the score on this, its churlish to say otherwise.
Just be honest about it. Say 'we did what we had to in order to get the deal done.' Don't wee in my pocket and tell me its raining... |
You don't think doubling our money on a player after one year in the event of relegation leaves us very well protected? I'd say it does. It doesn't optimise the potential fee, but it doesn't leave us in a bad position either. |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:31 - May 20 with 573 views | Tonytown |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 09:06 - May 20 by Jrm_72 |
It's not the release clause, or the buyback for that matter, that irks me. Its that it's another one of a growing list of things from the club that they talk utter b/s on and expect us to blindly go along with it. A position aided by the merry band of fans that will readily die on the hill of 'Ashton is the messiah', 'McKenna is a genius' and pile on anyone that dares criticise either.
Ashton said 'we are very very very very well protected on Delap' or however many extra 'very's' he added. Which to anyone awake is pure fiction. We got the player, but negotiated poorly and ended up with a lopsided deal, both in the players favour, and his previous club. And no, before some smarta*se comments, I wasnt in the room, I haven't seen the contract. But let's pick up the phone and speak to Ronnie Real here, things get round easily enough for us all to know the score on this, its churlish to say otherwise.
Just be honest about it. Say 'we did what we had to in order to get the deal done.' Don't wee in my pocket and tell me its raining... |
Utter nonsense | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:35 - May 20 with 562 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:24 - May 20 by ArnieM |
You'd have to sit back now and reflect on all of our summer signings. Every one of them seemingly £20m... yet we are gifting away Delap for a paltry £30m. Hardly surprising every PL is circling. Totally Naive by Ashton, and I doubt we'd get £20m fir Philogene now. It's laughable what we've spent for inexperienced young players that are arguably no better than the promotion winning squad they've joined. The PL old boys certainly saw Ashton coming didnt they. |
Every one of them seemingly £20m 
Totally Naive by Ashton
no better than the promotion winning squad
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:45 - May 20 with 554 views | Jrm_72 |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:03 - May 20 by Churchman |
Oh well, if you say Ashton was mugged off and in turn lied to the supporters, you must be right. Since you must be right Ashton must be a liar and surely the next step is a campaign to treat him as the devil and get him out. Bristol City’s knuckle draggers said the same so it must be the correct way to go. Alternatively, why don’t you challenge him on it and let us know how it goes?
The reality is we don’t know. If you’ve ever dealt with anything that’s media worthy you will know most of it is nonsense. About 85%. These parasites need to make a living. A germ of a rumour can be written into a full article. People will read and believe because if any nonsense is not refuted in about 20 mins it becomes fact.
There is no proof that McKenna, Ashton, Crazy, the club cat has lied about anything not least because they don’t talk about the detail of deals or in recent months much at all. If the club is protected that can mean anything from a small profit to a whopping sell on to favours for sailors. What it doesn’t mean is that we’ll lose money on him. Frankly when I saw him in pre season I thought we’d raided the donkey sanctuary. He’s been a bright light in a very disappointing season.
The quote from the mad looking finance bloke about CEOs btw, which is what you are alluding to, is ‘don’t p£ss on my boots and tell me it’s raining’.
Lastly, nobody has ever called Ashton a ‘messiah’. In fact he gets plenty of stick for some of the things he’s got wrong (dad dancing, prancing about at Wycombe, the Cobbold Stand Season ticket handling, to name but three). But I think he’s got lots right and appears to care. Maybe you prefer the Evans, Clegg era where the nearest thing to excitement was the Great Fire of Playford and the rusting turnstiles getting a lick of paint. I do not.
I’m not sure anyone has called McKenna a genius either. He is a young manager learning the game so will get things wrong. He’s got a lot right too, not least turning out a team that tries to play football most of the time and two promotions. Maybe you prefer the Duncan and McCarthy hoof or the excitement of Lambert’s chaos. I don’t.
If you don’t like McKenna, fine. It’s quite possible he will move on anyway so perhaps you’d like to suggest who could do better at this club. Perhaps ask when calling Ashton out for telling lies.
This growing list the club talk b/s on. Please could you tell us what’s in this list. I’m curious. They’ve pretty much done what they said they would to date from what I can see. |
The limit of how much I can be bothered with this is fast approaching. My own fault, I normally refrain from posting anything mildly close to an independent thought, as all you get is abuse for daring to disagree with the accepted opinion of the gang that rules the roost here. And if you to continue to oppose said gang, you get banned, so its all abit pointless anyway.
I don't like Ashton, I've listed why. That's my choice, I'm allowed to not like the cut of someone's jib. Would I want him replaced, no. He is the best in post since Sheepshanks, though not a patch on him as a person. Just wish he would appreciate the fans abit more and be abit less like a knock off Eddie Hearn.
Never said I didnt like McKenna. I'm just honest about his shortcomings. Listing those here would be pointless for reasons above - respectful debate is not welcome here.
Same reason my list of things that make me cross about the club isn't worth getting into. Like I said I need to let it go and not stress about a sports team. Or about random people that pick on others on the internet.
My quote about wee and pockets is from Layer Cake btw which I rewatched recently. Good film. Would recommend.
Its quite a common autistic trait to feel disproportionately sensitive to perceived injustice. Thats probably what its about for me with Ashton. Just don't feel we as fans get treated very fairly sometimes is my overwhelming point. | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:48 - May 20 with 542 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:45 - May 20 by Jrm_72 |
The limit of how much I can be bothered with this is fast approaching. My own fault, I normally refrain from posting anything mildly close to an independent thought, as all you get is abuse for daring to disagree with the accepted opinion of the gang that rules the roost here. And if you to continue to oppose said gang, you get banned, so its all abit pointless anyway.
I don't like Ashton, I've listed why. That's my choice, I'm allowed to not like the cut of someone's jib. Would I want him replaced, no. He is the best in post since Sheepshanks, though not a patch on him as a person. Just wish he would appreciate the fans abit more and be abit less like a knock off Eddie Hearn.
Never said I didnt like McKenna. I'm just honest about his shortcomings. Listing those here would be pointless for reasons above - respectful debate is not welcome here.
Same reason my list of things that make me cross about the club isn't worth getting into. Like I said I need to let it go and not stress about a sports team. Or about random people that pick on others on the internet.
My quote about wee and pockets is from Layer Cake btw which I rewatched recently. Good film. Would recommend.
Its quite a common autistic trait to feel disproportionately sensitive to perceived injustice. Thats probably what its about for me with Ashton. Just don't feel we as fans get treated very fairly sometimes is my overwhelming point. |
Totally agree that Layer Cake is an excellent movie, and should be recommended watching for everyone. | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:55 - May 20 with 518 views | Jrm_72 |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:48 - May 20 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Totally agree that Layer Cake is an excellent movie, and should be recommended watching for everyone. |
I remember watching it in the cinema at Hull Uni and thinking 'that Daniel Craig chap would make a great Bond...' | | | |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 12:06 - May 20 with 494 views | HighgateBlue |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 09:19 - May 20 by Guthrum |
There's a massive dose of hindsight in this. When we signed Delap he wasn't a striker who would be scoring double figures in the Prem. He was a 21 year old kid who had a single fairly decent season on loan at Hull in the Championship. Looked a good prospect, but nothing more.
He wasn't even supposed to be our main or only striker for the season.
What if we'd got the Greek guy, or Broja (assuming he was fit and could have stayed that way), or Hirst wasn't injured? Delap might well have been limited to off-the-bench cameos, or played out wide.
Last summer, as things stood when the deal was signed, most people would have considered a profit of around £10m after just one year not a bad return. It's all very well to adjust expectations since he turned out to be pretty good, but contracts are written at a single point in time, without the aid of a crystal ball. |
I've commented on this before and I am disappointed at this clause for lots of reasons, not least that it would have been included to benefit Delap at our expense, rather than the selling club.
However, I do think that there is one important way in which this is a "hindsight" issue, and that's this:
- As far as we are aware, this is a relegation release clause, so it's only triggered if we go down (which we of course have)
- The only reason why a £30m figure would be markedly disadvantageous for us is if he were to turn into a player worth material more than that (As he has).
- A young striker turning into a £50m plus player, in a "one up front" system, would entail him playing very regularly, scoring lots, and being generally extremely impressive. Which is what has happened. But the chances of all of that happening AND us still going down were fairly small to be honest.
So in principle, we took the risk with a big fee (by our standards) for a young and unproven player, and generally speaking the deal should ensure that we get the upside if the risk pays off and the player turns out to be great. However, what were the chances that our main striker would turn out to be coveted by all and sundry, but we would still go down? Pretty small. That's the issue that is making me slightly less irritated than I otherwise would have been.
I don't think as a generality it's only with the benefit of hindsight that a CEO (or chairman, or world king or whatever Ashton is now) should be expected to ensure that we have sufficient upside in a deal where we're taking a big risk. By the time you factor in a sell on fee, our profit will be only a couple of times bigger than the alleged £3m value of the Leicester game the other day. It's not as though we'll be making any significant profit on any other recent signings. Most of the profit on Delap will have been made by City and/or the team who buys him from us, and we've increased Cajuste's value for Napoli. I can't see that we've created much value for ourselves this year. Talk of £35m bids for Omari are fun, but I'll believe it when I see it. |  | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 12:25 - May 20 with 463 views | Churchman |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:45 - May 20 by Jrm_72 |
The limit of how much I can be bothered with this is fast approaching. My own fault, I normally refrain from posting anything mildly close to an independent thought, as all you get is abuse for daring to disagree with the accepted opinion of the gang that rules the roost here. And if you to continue to oppose said gang, you get banned, so its all abit pointless anyway.
I don't like Ashton, I've listed why. That's my choice, I'm allowed to not like the cut of someone's jib. Would I want him replaced, no. He is the best in post since Sheepshanks, though not a patch on him as a person. Just wish he would appreciate the fans abit more and be abit less like a knock off Eddie Hearn.
Never said I didnt like McKenna. I'm just honest about his shortcomings. Listing those here would be pointless for reasons above - respectful debate is not welcome here.
Same reason my list of things that make me cross about the club isn't worth getting into. Like I said I need to let it go and not stress about a sports team. Or about random people that pick on others on the internet.
My quote about wee and pockets is from Layer Cake btw which I rewatched recently. Good film. Would recommend.
Its quite a common autistic trait to feel disproportionately sensitive to perceived injustice. Thats probably what its about for me with Ashton. Just don't feel we as fans get treated very fairly sometimes is my overwhelming point. |
Nobody rules any roost here beyond the Administrator's who do a great job. I’m sure if they saw people doing that, they’d have something to say.
In what way have you been abused? In what way have you been disrespected. Asking you to justify comments or to provide a list or to challenge Ashton who you believe is a liar is none of those things. Why would you get banned? Abuse is likely to get anyone banned and rightly so.
Independent thought? Really? If you say so. As for your comments re Ashton as a person, I presume you’ve met him. What’s he like? I haven’t, so I’m very interested.
Met David Sheepshanks though. Nice bloke. I liked him. He really cared - a proper fan. A bit of a shame he crashed the club then sold it to wrecking ball Evans. |  | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 12:27 - May 20 with 463 views | shady |
Am sure he loves being likened to a piece of meat or an old house.
Let's just celebrate that we saw the future England #9 evolve and the part we played
12m is pure profit
And there could well be more if sell-on clauses are involved.
That’s probably what MA has eluded to. |  | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 12:40 - May 20 with 447 views | Guthrum |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 12:06 - May 20 by HighgateBlue |
I've commented on this before and I am disappointed at this clause for lots of reasons, not least that it would have been included to benefit Delap at our expense, rather than the selling club.
However, I do think that there is one important way in which this is a "hindsight" issue, and that's this:
- As far as we are aware, this is a relegation release clause, so it's only triggered if we go down (which we of course have)
- The only reason why a £30m figure would be markedly disadvantageous for us is if he were to turn into a player worth material more than that (As he has).
- A young striker turning into a £50m plus player, in a "one up front" system, would entail him playing very regularly, scoring lots, and being generally extremely impressive. Which is what has happened. But the chances of all of that happening AND us still going down were fairly small to be honest.
So in principle, we took the risk with a big fee (by our standards) for a young and unproven player, and generally speaking the deal should ensure that we get the upside if the risk pays off and the player turns out to be great. However, what were the chances that our main striker would turn out to be coveted by all and sundry, but we would still go down? Pretty small. That's the issue that is making me slightly less irritated than I otherwise would have been.
I don't think as a generality it's only with the benefit of hindsight that a CEO (or chairman, or world king or whatever Ashton is now) should be expected to ensure that we have sufficient upside in a deal where we're taking a big risk. By the time you factor in a sell on fee, our profit will be only a couple of times bigger than the alleged £3m value of the Leicester game the other day. It's not as though we'll be making any significant profit on any other recent signings. Most of the profit on Delap will have been made by City and/or the team who buys him from us, and we've increased Cajuste's value for Napoli. I can't see that we've created much value for ourselves this year. Talk of £35m bids for Omari are fun, but I'll believe it when I see it. |
I don't think £15m is a particularly big risk for a Prem club, which is what we were last summer - and a well-financed one at that. It may be a large fee by ITFC standards, but then we have been in lower tiers since before the price explosion which makes Delap potentially worth more than £30m at all. It's no bigger punt than we took on Greaves, Jack Clarke or Philogene, all players with very similar pedigrees.
With regard to other players being profitable if he isn't, I don't think that's an issue. While all income is good, we do not need the money to balance our books or fund next season. There's £30m+ of parachute payments for that, plus investment from the owners and we're likely to be on TV a fair bit. |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 12:49 - May 20 with 439 views | Jrm_72 |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 12:25 - May 20 by Churchman |
Nobody rules any roost here beyond the Administrator's who do a great job. I’m sure if they saw people doing that, they’d have something to say.
In what way have you been abused? In what way have you been disrespected. Asking you to justify comments or to provide a list or to challenge Ashton who you believe is a liar is none of those things. Why would you get banned? Abuse is likely to get anyone banned and rightly so.
Independent thought? Really? If you say so. As for your comments re Ashton as a person, I presume you’ve met him. What’s he like? I haven’t, so I’m very interested.
Met David Sheepshanks though. Nice bloke. I liked him. He really cared - a proper fan. A bit of a shame he crashed the club then sold it to wrecking ball Evans. |
Nothing abusive in your post specifically so apologies for any inference. It was other less nuanced replies coming in at same time, plus a comment on how I've seen things go historically on here.
I have met David Sheepshanks a few times. About a year ago he came up to my brother on matchday simply to compliment his jersey choice (The Abbot Ale one). Always found him a decent and classy man.
I haven't met Ashton. But do you need to have met someone to decide you don't like them? Not a fan of Nigel Farage either, not met him, neither have most of the more vocal posters on here that don't seem to like him too.
Would also clarify 'liar' is too strong a word and not my accusation of Ashton. Think if spin and not being completely open counted as lying we'd have an awful lot of MP's being named for using unparliamentary language. | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 12:55 - May 20 with 434 views | Wright1 |
Not really because from everything i've heard, the alternative was not getting him and him probably going to a rival like Southampton. I can't imagine we'd have attracted a better player than him and we've made a profit in the space of a year.
Worst case we got him on loan for a year and got paid £10m or so for doing it - that's still a good deal for us whether people like to admit it or not. | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 13:11 - May 20 with 412 views | bsw72 |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 09:38 - May 20 by Jrm_72 |
I mean there is a growing list that runs in my head. Which I should probably find a way to let go of and stop making myself angry about a sports team lol.
Ashton just isn't my cup of tea. I don't like spinners and bullsh*tters, I don't like people that blame others and seem incapable of taking responsibility (particular from those in positions of authority), and I don't like being so obviously taken for granted.
But we all have our pet hates. Aren't you the chap that is always picking on Leif? |
Not me - I don't really have "pet hates" against Ipswich players and staff, and try to understand their perspective and approach, and firmly believe that they set out to do their best for the club with mixed success, and have to make decisions which may make them unpopular at times.
I have a number of pet hates with football and life in general, but find it's best not to dwell on them, as it doesn't help my state of mind. |  | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 13:19 - May 20 with 401 views | waveneyblue |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 09:06 - May 20 by Jrm_72 |
It's not the release clause, or the buyback for that matter, that irks me. Its that it's another one of a growing list of things from the club that they talk utter b/s on and expect us to blindly go along with it. A position aided by the merry band of fans that will readily die on the hill of 'Ashton is the messiah', 'McKenna is a genius' and pile on anyone that dares criticise either.
Ashton said 'we are very very very very well protected on Delap' or however many extra 'very's' he added. Which to anyone awake is pure fiction. We got the player, but negotiated poorly and ended up with a lopsided deal, both in the players favour, and his previous club. And no, before some smarta*se comments, I wasnt in the room, I haven't seen the contract. But let's pick up the phone and speak to Ronnie Real here, things get round easily enough for us all to know the score on this, its churlish to say otherwise.
Just be honest about it. Say 'we did what we had to in order to get the deal done.' Don't wee in my pocket and tell me its raining... |
Could it possibly be that we don't know all the facts as none of us have seen the contract.
Go and find yourself a club that gives its fans absolute full and accurate transparency about everything and let us know how you get on |  | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 13:21 - May 20 with 391 views | Jrm_72 |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 13:11 - May 20 by bsw72 |
Not me - I don't really have "pet hates" against Ipswich players and staff, and try to understand their perspective and approach, and firmly believe that they set out to do their best for the club with mixed success, and have to make decisions which may make them unpopular at times.
I have a number of pet hates with football and life in general, but find it's best not to dwell on them, as it doesn't help my state of mind. |
Apologies then. You must have a similar username to the couple of guys that seemingly can't wait to have a go at Leif each game.
Completely agree with your second para. Being honest, I wish I knew how to not dwell on things. Plagues me. My gameplan of 'just stop doing that' hasn't worked out so far! | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 13:31 - May 20 with 346 views | Jrm_72 |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 13:19 - May 20 by waveneyblue |
Could it possibly be that we don't know all the facts as none of us have seen the contract.
Go and find yourself a club that gives its fans absolute full and accurate transparency about everything and let us know how you get on |
Ah the 'go support someone else' response. Just need the 'must support Norwich' trope to fill out my bingo card.
Ill stick with Town thanks, like my grandfather did, and my father, mother, brother and two sons have.
Sign of a true friend is when you can be honest about the bad as well as the good. Rather than just sycophantically tow the corporate line regardless.
Right, signing off now. I'm on holiday and instead of enjoying the cypriot sun I've been arguing on the internet all day. None of this matters, the club goes on, players will come and go, night will follow day etc etc. | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 13:43 - May 20 with 329 views | LeoMuff |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 11:18 - May 20 by BseaBlue |
Frustrated - Yes. Is it disappointing - Yes.
But really, who's fault is it? We took a bit of a gamble on the fee as it was for a player that had made a few appearances in the Champ and hardly set the world alight. He was clearly a priority so we had to bend to the clause.
It is ok to be frustrated without pointing blame though. Not an ideal situation but we take the profit and move on! |
Exactly how I see it, it was a gamble which didn’t fully pay off we bet that Delap would not improve enough in one season to be worth over £30m and that if he did we would stay up and it would be irrelevant, it seems we needed to make this gamble to get him signed.
Delap and his agent gambled that he would be vastly improved in one season and they would become very rich indeed, over signing for a team that were relegation certs.
If you had asked me in August I would gamble as Ashton did at the time, as you say £15m profit in one season - hardly a disaster, frustrating yes, but not in the bracket of giving Lambert a 5 year deal or signing Lee Martin for £2m |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 13:46 - May 20 with 322 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 13:43 - May 20 by LeoMuff |
Exactly how I see it, it was a gamble which didn’t fully pay off we bet that Delap would not improve enough in one season to be worth over £30m and that if he did we would stay up and it would be irrelevant, it seems we needed to make this gamble to get him signed.
Delap and his agent gambled that he would be vastly improved in one season and they would become very rich indeed, over signing for a team that were relegation certs.
If you had asked me in August I would gamble as Ashton did at the time, as you say £15m profit in one season - hardly a disaster, frustrating yes, but not in the bracket of giving Lambert a 5 year deal or signing Lee Martin for £2m |
I don't think it's right to call it a gamble.
The options (on the face of it - given the publicly available info) seem to have been to either let him go to Southampton or accept the same terms (including this release clause) and secure his services.
So where's the risk - would we have been better to lose him to Southampton last summer? | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 14:03 - May 20 with 285 views | Pinewoodblue |
Hopefully the release clause isn’t just for £30m but includes a percentage of any further sell on. |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 14:07 - May 20 with 276 views | LeoMuff |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 13:46 - May 20 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I don't think it's right to call it a gamble.
The options (on the face of it - given the publicly available info) seem to have been to either let him go to Southampton or accept the same terms (including this release clause) and secure his services.
So where's the risk - would we have been better to lose him to Southampton last summer? |
Of course we are making guesses on a football forum, but the possible gamble is we put the clause in to land him over Southampton. The gamble being if he does very well £30m is small fry and we lose £15-20m, mitigated by the £15m profit. | |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 14:58 - May 20 with 243 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 14:07 - May 20 by LeoMuff |
Of course we are making guesses on a football forum, but the possible gamble is we put the clause in to land him over Southampton. The gamble being if he does very well £30m is small fry and we lose £15-20m, mitigated by the £15m profit. |
The reports at the time were that we needed to match the terms that had been already agreed, which would have likely included the release clause. Of course, we're not privy to the detail, but the info about matching what had already been agreed with Southampton came from a credible source.
If the above is accurate (and there is no evidence to suggest it is not true), then we only had the two options I listed. | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 15:04 - May 20 with 241 views | ArnieM |
Are we doubling our money spent on him though? Don't man city get a % of the buy out clause? | |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 15:12 - May 20 with 228 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 15:04 - May 20 by ArnieM |
Are we doubling our money spent on him though? Don't man city get a % of the buy out clause? |
We don't know the terms of the original deal, so we cannot really work out the exact financials. I tried to illustrate that in a previous post (although the context of the question was different)
Delap to Arsenal ? by SuffolkPunchFC 8 May 15:44We don't only get the profit as part of the transaction - we get the full amount paid for the player (eventually - read on for the nitty gritty of these types of transaction), and then have to pay City 20% of the profit.
Now, in all likelihood the transfer was done on instalments, so we may have only paid ManC a proportion of the agreed 15M - let's say we've paid 5M so far. So we're only 5M out of pocket. So we would owe ManC the 10M balance plus 20% sell-on fee from the profit.
If we receive a 30M offer, that means we have to hand over 13M to ManC, and retain 17M income (which is our initial 5M outlay back plus 12M profit).
Of course, this is only an example, and it's likely to be even more complicated than that, as whoever buys from us will probably negotiate paying in instalments, so we'll initially receive less in-hand cash, and the remainder over the instalment period - but still the full amount eventually, and anything owed to us on instalments is considered 'Receivables' for accounting, and can be used as security for loans to go against other player purchase.
We do not know our current outlay, or what was on terms. Nor do we know what the terms of any sale will be. It's extremely complicated, and though to work out where we are. The important part is that we will have a sh!tlaod of cash/credit to invest further. | | | |
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