| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? 08:01 - May 20 with 3408 views | wolfyattheback |
in today's market, 30m is nothing for a quality player. We can dress it up that he is not the finished article etc. to make us feel better, but a better team will provide him with much better chances to score and more chances at that. I would fancy him to be getting 15–20 goals next season for whoever he plays for.
We've had our pants pulled down, haven't we? In our desperation to sign a striker we have agreed to a silly clause which has ultimately shown our newbie status in the Premiership and possibly cost us many millions.
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:03 - May 20 with 2027 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Would you have preferred to have not signed him and he had gone to Southampton or Leicester instead?
It is a tidy profit on a player who did well for us while he was here. Had things turned out better and we had stayed up, he wouldn't be going for that fee at all. |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:07 - May 20 with 2003 views | Metal_Hacker |
“….possibly cost us millions “
Or you could call it a tidy little profit on a newly promoted club and with that tidy little profit we can re-invest into someone else and make a tiny little profit and then sell them and then re-invest and then……
You get the idea
Rome was not built in a day but people seem to want it built over two footballing seasons |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:09 - May 20 with 1992 views | wolfyattheback |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:03 - May 20 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Would you have preferred to have not signed him and he had gone to Southampton or Leicester instead?
It is a tidy profit on a player who did well for us while he was here. Had things turned out better and we had stayed up, he wouldn't be going for that fee at all. |
No, I was happy we got him.
It is still OK though to see other players of much less quality moving for far more money and be disappointed with the way Ipswich has negotiated this particular deal.
The 12 million profit really is not that special but if you wish to paint it otherwise then that is OK. | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:11 - May 20 with 1985 views | wolfyattheback |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:07 - May 20 by Metal_Hacker |
“….possibly cost us millions “
Or you could call it a tidy little profit on a newly promoted club and with that tidy little profit we can re-invest into someone else and make a tiny little profit and then sell them and then re-invest and then……
You get the idea
Rome was not built in a day but people seem to want it built over two footballing seasons |
sorry I forgot we were a brand new club....
It is a profit, it is small compared to what it could have been. | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:12 - May 20 with 1975 views | homer_123 |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:11 - May 20 by wolfyattheback |
sorry I forgot we were a brand new club....
It is a profit, it is small compared to what it could have been. |
No, it's not. Without the clause, he wouldn't have signed.
EDIT: in the same way Cajuste would have been at Brentford if his knee wasn't shot.
EDIT: and Enciso would not be with us either, if not for injury. [Post edited 20 May 8:13]
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:14 - May 20 with 1949 views | Herbivore |
Thanks for starting this thread, we've not really had a chance to talk about this. At the time we negotiated the deal he had other options so was in a strong position, we probably also thought that doubling our outlay in one year if we go down is a decent insurance policy. I imagine if we'd thought he'd have the impact he has, we probably also thought his relegation release clause would be activated. As a Prem side, we'd probably have got close to £50m for him I think, but going down would have weakened our hand in negotiations even without the clause. Basically, hindsight is a wonderful thing and people are using a lot of it when they wang on about what a bad deal we negotiated. I'm less convinced about that in the context in which the deal was made. |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:15 - May 20 with 1941 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:09 - May 20 by wolfyattheback |
No, I was happy we got him.
It is still OK though to see other players of much less quality moving for far more money and be disappointed with the way Ipswich has negotiated this particular deal.
The 12 million profit really is not that special but if you wish to paint it otherwise then that is OK. |
I am not painting it differently.
It clearly would have been a choice of sign him with this clause or not sign him at all.
You seem to have decided for some bizarre reason that the club insisted on inserting the clause rather than the player's agent. | |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:15 - May 20 with 1942 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:11 - May 20 by wolfyattheback |
sorry I forgot we were a brand new club....
It is a profit, it is small compared to what it could have been. |
It is small to what it could have been and it’ll be small in comparison to what he gets sold for next if he does well but that’s how it football works
As disappointed as we all are the positive being it gives us best part of £15m to re-invest , imagine saying that 3 seasons ago | |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:15 - May 20 with 1937 views | Churchman |
Whatever the deal is, it won’t have cost us anything. We will get our money back and make a bit on top. Never a bad thing, given the club didn’t have a crystal ball and had no idea he’d do so well.
Would you have preferred him to go to Southampton? That’s where he was off to had we not signed him. Maybe that would have been a much better option to save all those tears over what ‘possibly cost us many millions’ but actually didn’t. |  | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:17 - May 20 with 1924 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:12 - May 20 by homer_123 |
No, it's not. Without the clause, he wouldn't have signed.
EDIT: in the same way Cajuste would have been at Brentford if his knee wasn't shot.
EDIT: and Enciso would not be with us either, if not for injury. [Post edited 20 May 8:13]
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and Kalvin Phillips would not ... oh, not quite the point you were making is it? | |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:17 - May 20 with 1921 views | homer_123 |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:17 - May 20 by Nthsuffolkblue |
and Kalvin Phillips would not ... oh, not quite the point you were making is it? |
I had strategically avoided that... | |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:19 - May 20 with 1894 views | Pinewoodblue |
The only disappointment is the fact that our results triggered the clause. |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:23 - May 20 with 1798 views | ArmaghBlue |
Not too bad for a player who only played well for half a season. |  | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:24 - May 20 with 1792 views | Smoresy |
Probably not.
Delap was coveted by more than just us, as mentioned above - that's not speculation. Were Southampton willing to agree to the same clause? Would Delap only have agreed to another loan move without this clause? This is speculation, to us fans.
If the answer to either of these is yes, signing him on your terms wouldn't have been an option. You'd have needed to trot / waddle over to the next man on the list and hope that they may be worth triple what you paid in a year's time. Spoiler alert based on all our other £XYm signings this summer: you'd probably now be wishing you signed Delap instead on the terms available. | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:29 - May 20 with 1748 views | baxterbasics |
A point that has been made time and time again - if the clause was a red line for Team Delap, should we have declined the signing and let him look elsewhere? Or accept it and take the deal? Bearing in mind we did not know at that point how he was going to perform in the PL. |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:38 - May 20 with 1698 views | bsw72 |
Errr, no. Without the clause it is very likely we would not have signed him . . . as has been discussed several times. |  | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:39 - May 20 with 1690 views | Stadiumofdark |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:14 - May 20 by Herbivore |
Thanks for starting this thread, we've not really had a chance to talk about this. At the time we negotiated the deal he had other options so was in a strong position, we probably also thought that doubling our outlay in one year if we go down is a decent insurance policy. I imagine if we'd thought he'd have the impact he has, we probably also thought his relegation release clause would be activated. As a Prem side, we'd probably have got close to £50m for him I think, but going down would have weakened our hand in negotiations even without the clause. Basically, hindsight is a wonderful thing and people are using a lot of it when they wang on about what a bad deal we negotiated. I'm less convinced about that in the context in which the deal was made. |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:42 - May 20 with 1672 views | baxterbasics |
Is it also worth highlighting that the 30m release clause is still officially unconfirmed? Widely reported yes, but we don't know for sure, right? #StrawClutching | |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:44 - May 20 with 1660 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:42 - May 20 by baxterbasics |
Is it also worth highlighting that the 30m release clause is still officially unconfirmed? Widely reported yes, but we don't know for sure, right? #StrawClutching |
Indeed. It might well be £30.1M. | |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:50 - May 20 with 1631 views | StokieBlue |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:58 - May 20 with 1571 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Solanke was a proven PL striker at the top of his game and only went for 60m. 30 probably is about right off the back of one decent season. |  |
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 09:02 - May 20 with 1538 views | backwaywhen |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 08:09 - May 20 by wolfyattheback |
No, I was happy we got him.
It is still OK though to see other players of much less quality moving for far more money and be disappointed with the way Ipswich has negotiated this particular deal.
The 12 million profit really is not that special but if you wish to paint it otherwise then that is OK. |
It was probably take the deal or don’t take Delap , Peter Jones from Dragons Den would bite your hand off for a 12mil profit in 12 months ! | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 09:06 - May 20 with 1532 views | Jrm_72 |
It's not the release clause, or the buyback for that matter, that irks me. Its that it's another one of a growing list of things from the club that they talk utter b/s on and expect us to blindly go along with it. A position aided by the merry band of fans that will readily die on the hill of 'Ashton is the messiah', 'McKenna is a genius' and pile on anyone that dares criticise either.
Ashton said 'we are very very very very well protected on Delap' or however many extra 'very's' he added. Which to anyone awake is pure fiction. We got the player, but negotiated poorly and ended up with a lopsided deal, both in the players favour, and his previous club. And no, before some smarta*se comments, I wasnt in the room, I haven't seen the contract. But let's pick up the phone and speak to Ronnie Real here, things get round easily enough for us all to know the score on this, its churlish to say otherwise.
Just be honest about it. Say 'we did what we had to in order to get the deal done.' Don't wee in my pocket and tell me its raining... | | | |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 09:07 - May 20 with 1522 views | SitfcB |
I think a few were disappointed when we had millions of threads on the same thing when the news broke months ago.
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| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 09:11 - May 20 with 1481 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is everyone disappointed with the Delap 30m price? on 09:06 - May 20 by Jrm_72 |
It's not the release clause, or the buyback for that matter, that irks me. Its that it's another one of a growing list of things from the club that they talk utter b/s on and expect us to blindly go along with it. A position aided by the merry band of fans that will readily die on the hill of 'Ashton is the messiah', 'McKenna is a genius' and pile on anyone that dares criticise either.
Ashton said 'we are very very very very well protected on Delap' or however many extra 'very's' he added. Which to anyone awake is pure fiction. We got the player, but negotiated poorly and ended up with a lopsided deal, both in the players favour, and his previous club. And no, before some smarta*se comments, I wasnt in the room, I haven't seen the contract. But let's pick up the phone and speak to Ronnie Real here, things get round easily enough for us all to know the score on this, its churlish to say otherwise.
Just be honest about it. Say 'we did what we had to in order to get the deal done.' Don't wee in my pocket and tell me its raining... |
Alternatively, a deal that means he can only be sold for £12M more than we paid for him could be described as well protected.
I am happy to defend Ashton and McKenna with where both have taken the club. Neither is the Messiah nor a genius. Feel free to criticise both of them but to do so over signing Delap with this clause in his contract seems a stretch for me. | |
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