| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? 09:07 - May 24 with 1684 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Can’t say the loser is the winner because if the financial gain and being at the top table, but you’d have to say it will be more exciting for Sunderland fans to win after some time away. Heard a Sheff Utd fan on the radio the other day saying he’d be cancelling his season ticket if they went up…. Bit extreme?! |  | | |  |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 09:57 - May 24 with 1563 views | Scuzzer |
I remember the Sheffield fans saying they hated being in the PL and they couldn't wait for the season to finish so that they could watch proper football in the Championship. Sounds a lot like us doesn't it. It's OK in the PL as long as you don't have high expectations of what you will experience. For us a season in the PL was the reward of two fantastic seasons previous...I for one was prepared for whatever it presented us with...which in my opinion was a lot of money to witness plastic footruinef by VAR. |  |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:02 - May 24 with 1544 views | Radlett_blue |
Will be interesting to see if the promoted clubs are blown away again next season. Leeds are the one you think might survive, but even they will need to spend heavily & well.
Not surprised some Blunts are cynical about the PL; we will also have some fans who feel like that.
Sunderland have been out of the PL for 7 years so they may be more optimistic. |  |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:03 - May 24 with 1540 views | ParisBlue |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 09:57 - May 24 by Scuzzer |
I remember the Sheffield fans saying they hated being in the PL and they couldn't wait for the season to finish so that they could watch proper football in the Championship. Sounds a lot like us doesn't it. It's OK in the PL as long as you don't have high expectations of what you will experience. For us a season in the PL was the reward of two fantastic seasons previous...I for one was prepared for whatever it presented us with...which in my opinion was a lot of money to witness plastic footruinef by VAR. |
Certainly winning in the Championship is more enjoyable than the PL. I expect next season to be different feel to 23/24 purely based on expectations. |  |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:05 - May 24 with 1531 views | Guthrum |
Not if they then have a poor season in the Championship, perhaps because all their good players get poached.
And if the winners can just get that toe-hold and stay up, there is then a chance to beild and establish. |  |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:10 - May 24 with 1521 views | Churchman |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:02 - May 24 by Radlett_blue |
Will be interesting to see if the promoted clubs are blown away again next season. Leeds are the one you think might survive, but even they will need to spend heavily & well.
Not surprised some Blunts are cynical about the PL; we will also have some fans who feel like that.
Sunderland have been out of the PL for 7 years so they may be more optimistic. |
Leeds will be fine. As a wanted club by the PL they’ll get the breaks from the officials and VAR. they have the basis of a PL team still from two seasons ago, money, already have some good players and will strengthen. I think they’ll survive, not least because it’s possible one of the fodder clubs like West Ham might blow up.
Burnley and today’s winner? Long season ahead. Still, the challenge is there for them. I wish it was us getting promoted. There’s nothing wrong with striving to be the best you can be even if it does bring a poor, struggling season like this one. |  | | |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:23 - May 24 with 1475 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:10 - May 24 by Churchman |
Leeds will be fine. As a wanted club by the PL they’ll get the breaks from the officials and VAR. they have the basis of a PL team still from two seasons ago, money, already have some good players and will strengthen. I think they’ll survive, not least because it’s possible one of the fodder clubs like West Ham might blow up.
Burnley and today’s winner? Long season ahead. Still, the challenge is there for them. I wish it was us getting promoted. There’s nothing wrong with striving to be the best you can be even if it does bring a poor, struggling season like this one. |
Who of the top 17 are Leeds going to finish above though? Possibly West Ham. I could see Bournemouth struggle if their star players get sold, but after that… |  |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:33 - May 24 with 1438 views | EastTownBlue |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:10 - May 24 by Churchman |
Leeds will be fine. As a wanted club by the PL they’ll get the breaks from the officials and VAR. they have the basis of a PL team still from two seasons ago, money, already have some good players and will strengthen. I think they’ll survive, not least because it’s possible one of the fodder clubs like West Ham might blow up.
Burnley and today’s winner? Long season ahead. Still, the challenge is there for them. I wish it was us getting promoted. There’s nothing wrong with striving to be the best you can be even if it does bring a poor, struggling season like this one. |
On that basis, how did they manage to get relegated previously? | | | |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:43 - May 24 with 1403 views | skinnybob72 |
I expect the winner today to seriously challenge for the 'worst ever PL team' title next season. | | | |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 11:32 - May 24 with 1313 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:05 - May 24 by Guthrum |
Not if they then have a poor season in the Championship, perhaps because all their good players get poached.
And if the winners can just get that toe-hold and stay up, there is then a chance to beild and establish. |
I agree with your first line. But I don't think either of these teams stands much chance of gaining any toehold. I guess if you look at Luton and argue they came close to staying up you could but they were still 6 points short of it and would have been 10 away were it not for Forest's points deduction.
The best outcome for these teams is probably to have another season the same or better than last one in the Championship. Of course, financially they are better off getting promoted and spending little or nothing. The next best alternative is signing players that will improve them and still be there for the following season in the Championship.
For what it's worth, I think Leeds and/or Burnley will stay up. Burnley will be dull to watch but effective. Leeds will probably spend a bit. I would be worried if I supported Everton or West Ham especially. I do wonder if Tottenham or Man Utd could go into complete meltdown and do the unthinkable. There is also the chance that Man City get a massive points deduction but then we thought that at the start of this season. [Post edited 24 May 11:33]
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 11:37 - May 24 with 1299 views | Churchman |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:33 - May 24 by EastTownBlue |
On that basis, how did they manage to get relegated previously? |
Absolutely no idea. I guess they were the ones that blew up that year - along with Leicester and Southampton.
I don’t think a saw any of them that season. The only PL club I saw were Leicester for whom the players didn’t want to know. | | | |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 11:39 - May 24 with 1286 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 11:37 - May 24 by Churchman |
Absolutely no idea. I guess they were the ones that blew up that year - along with Leicester and Southampton.
I don’t think a saw any of them that season. The only PL club I saw were Leicester for whom the players didn’t want to know. |
Wolves this season have shown how being well managed and hitting some form can make a difference. At Christmas, they were level with us for the 3rd bottom place. Since the new manager came in they have been near the top of the form table in the league. | |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 14:02 - May 24 with 1136 views | Illinoisblue |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 10:10 - May 24 by Churchman |
Leeds will be fine. As a wanted club by the PL they’ll get the breaks from the officials and VAR. they have the basis of a PL team still from two seasons ago, money, already have some good players and will strengthen. I think they’ll survive, not least because it’s possible one of the fodder clubs like West Ham might blow up.
Burnley and today’s winner? Long season ahead. Still, the challenge is there for them. I wish it was us getting promoted. There’s nothing wrong with striving to be the best you can be even if it does bring a poor, struggling season like this one. |
Leeds probably got the best shot of staying up. Forest particularly and maybe Palace will maybe see a dip in league form due to European distractions. I very much want and hope and pray Bournemouth begin a descent back to the third tier but to the OP, Sheff Utd and Sunderland will be lucky to reach double figures. |  |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 14:12 - May 24 with 1109 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 14:02 - May 24 by Illinoisblue |
Leeds probably got the best shot of staying up. Forest particularly and maybe Palace will maybe see a dip in league form due to European distractions. I very much want and hope and pray Bournemouth begin a descent back to the third tier but to the OP, Sheff Utd and Sunderland will be lucky to reach double figures. |
Thing is for Sunderland especially its massive just to get promoted like we did. 1 seasons Premier League money transforms your club for at least 3-5 years even if you stink the Prem out.
Sure, the 8 months where you get your arse handed to you week by week isn't much fun. | | | |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 14:44 - May 24 with 1009 views | olimar |
Makes no sense to me. If they dont go up, they can see Hamer et al being picked off by the PL clubs, then they are left with this massive pressure to try and get up next season with a weaker team, three stronger clubs coming along to compete with them and the knowledge that their Parachute Payments will run out.
And then, they are potentially competing at levels similar to their rivals Wednesday, hoping to make the play-offs with a rebuild or whatever (see also, Norwich).
The alternative is that they go up, they keep all those players, add some more players, building on the base they put together in the PL last season and they are in a stronger position to have a go at it than they were last time, when they did none of those things.
There arent any clubs who just sit around in the top 6 of the Championship, never going up or down, so it feels like there are only two directions and surely if you support a club you want them to aspire to being the best they can be, even if that is a tough proposition and journey along the way (and lets face it, getting promoted isnt exactly a terrible experience and playing against the best players in the world isnt entirely that either). | | | |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 15:03 - May 24 with 966 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 14:44 - May 24 by olimar |
Makes no sense to me. If they dont go up, they can see Hamer et al being picked off by the PL clubs, then they are left with this massive pressure to try and get up next season with a weaker team, three stronger clubs coming along to compete with them and the knowledge that their Parachute Payments will run out.
And then, they are potentially competing at levels similar to their rivals Wednesday, hoping to make the play-offs with a rebuild or whatever (see also, Norwich).
The alternative is that they go up, they keep all those players, add some more players, building on the base they put together in the PL last season and they are in a stronger position to have a go at it than they were last time, when they did none of those things.
There arent any clubs who just sit around in the top 6 of the Championship, never going up or down, so it feels like there are only two directions and surely if you support a club you want them to aspire to being the best they can be, even if that is a tough proposition and journey along the way (and lets face it, getting promoted isnt exactly a terrible experience and playing against the best players in the world isnt entirely that either). |
I hear you but they shipped 5+ goals 8 times last season, no fun it that |  |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 15:11 - May 24 with 925 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not necessarily. Sheff Utd might well have financial issues and the longer you take to bounce back the harder it gets (plus loss of parachute payments). For Sunderland fans, not going up probably means losing their best players - Bellingham and Rigg quite possibly.
Certainly a poisoned chalice going up now but the financial rewards for even one season mean you can go down stronger than when you went up. | | | |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 15:15 - May 24 with 906 views | positivity |
would you rather
a) go up and have (on average) alternate brilliant & difficult seasons, with the hope of consolidation a la fulham, forest et al?
b) stay down and get your team picked apart by the prem/parachute teams and a near inevitable slide into mediocrity?
go for promotion every time in my book [Post edited 24 May 15:22]
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 15:31 - May 24 with 849 views | Ryorry |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 15:15 - May 24 by positivity |
would you rather
a) go up and have (on average) alternate brilliant & difficult seasons, with the hope of consolidation a la fulham, forest et al?
b) stay down and get your team picked apart by the prem/parachute teams and a near inevitable slide into mediocrity?
go for promotion every time in my book [Post edited 24 May 15:22]
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Agree. And the happiness of promotion from the day of the POF till the start of next season is bliss! Plus there’s always the smidgeon of hope of a miracle.
Anyway, Blades one up and I hope they do it as I’d rather face the black cats next season, though my heart is actually with them today, so will still be happy for them if they turn it around. |  |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 15:33 - May 24 with 837 views | Chrisd |
So,if we are fortunate enough to be challenging for promotion next season, not bother?! | |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 15:41 - May 24 with 807 views | TractorFrog |
True, but whoever wins today will enjoy this season more.
But it shows how broken the system is that promotion can lead to knowing you are going to have a horrible season. |  |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 16:34 - May 24 with 717 views | strikalite |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 15:11 - May 24 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not necessarily. Sheff Utd might well have financial issues and the longer you take to bounce back the harder it gets (plus loss of parachute payments). For Sunderland fans, not going up probably means losing their best players - Bellingham and Rigg quite possibly.
Certainly a poisoned chalice going up now but the financial rewards for even one season mean you can go down stronger than when you went up. |
Imagine KM working with Bellingham... |  | | |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 17:09 - May 24 with 647 views | Ryorry |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 15:31 - May 24 by Ryorry |
Agree. And the happiness of promotion from the day of the POF till the start of next season is bliss! Plus there’s always the smidgeon of hope of a miracle.
Anyway, Blades one up and I hope they do it as I’d rather face the black cats next season, though my heart is actually with them today, so will still be happy for them if they turn it around. |
That was quite some turn around! | |
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| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 18:01 - May 24 with 555 views | Vic |
| Are we agreed that whoever loses today, will enjoy next season more? on 15:15 - May 24 by positivity |
would you rather
a) go up and have (on average) alternate brilliant & difficult seasons, with the hope of consolidation a la fulham, forest et al?
b) stay down and get your team picked apart by the prem/parachute teams and a near inevitable slide into mediocrity?
go for promotion every time in my book [Post edited 24 May 15:22]
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Point of order. We’d have been very happy with Forests 1st and 2nd season - they managed to stay up. |  |
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