| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week 18:31 - May 30 with 5850 views | onceablue |
Slagging off Nigel Farage
Who are his PR Advisors?
I would be telling him not to even mention Farage. An election is at least 4 years away he should be concentrating on his party and his policies.
The speech he made at that factory is the sort of speech you make the week before an election
Everytime he mentions Farage it just strengthens the Reform Leader’s position
Reform is not the answer for this Country but Starmer is making this unlikely outcome a real possibility
Even the press have started to take the mickey out of Starmer
That
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 06:35 - May 31 with 844 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 04:50 - May 31 by Benters |
The most hated PM ever I’ve seen it said. |
Even you must know that Thatcher is the most hated PM ever. People held parties when she died! Why do you keep lying to yourself, Benters? You're almost as bad as the OP with this nonsense. |  |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 08:50 - May 31 with 742 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I hate to say it, but this sh1tposter has actually made a fair point (broken clocks and all that).
Labour’s recent posts have been almost entirely about Farage - it looks obsessive at this point, you’d think it was the Reform page. How about telling us what you’ve done to improve public services, are there still huge NHS waiting lists? Still virtually impossible to see a GP where I am. Stop fking around and improve the country rather than playing politics. If people don’t see an improvement to the services, then that’s just going to drive more people to populists.
Moan over… | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 08:54 - May 31 with 738 views | Mullet |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 21:17 - May 30 by Bigalhunter |
The problem for me, is, much like Trump, letting people like Farage speak to ‘show them for what they are’ doesn’t put gullible, ignorant xenophobes off in the slightest.
Quite the reverse, it reinforces the belief they’re no longer the cerebrally challenged outliers within society.
Someone’s finally speaking their language, stoking up their hatred and telling them their miserable existence really is down to immigrants stealing their livelihoods and benefits.
A few of the usual suspects on here will be along shortly, like wasps at a picnic, to furiously dab the downvote button whilst staying silent.
Bingo card’s ready….. [Post edited 30 May 21:27]
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I understand that, but Trump came in a second time because of Biden refusing to do what was right and stepping aside - there’s also a very different culture of worshipping personality over there. He’s funnelled the evangelical community into that.
I think the UK is a very different space and while Farage will have all the far right support and media coverage, there’s a different social mix and climate which is why aping the Americans fails. |  |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 08:54 - May 31 with 737 views | Mullet |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 21:19 - May 30 by NthQldITFC |
Mullet, I hope you won't be offended by this, but every time your avatar scrolls into the bottom of my page now, I see you as a hairy Weetabix!
It's something to do with the curve of the top of your head, the straightness of the sides and the colours. Your powerful-looking shoulders do kind of spoil the illusion when they come into view, but nevertheless...
I just thought I ought to let you know.
(Of course, I realise that this isn't necessarily an accurate facsimile of your good self.)
Friday night is Tequila night. |
No offence taken in the slightest x | |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 09:07 - May 31 with 722 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 08:50 - May 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I hate to say it, but this sh1tposter has actually made a fair point (broken clocks and all that).
Labour’s recent posts have been almost entirely about Farage - it looks obsessive at this point, you’d think it was the Reform page. How about telling us what you’ve done to improve public services, are there still huge NHS waiting lists? Still virtually impossible to see a GP where I am. Stop fking around and improve the country rather than playing politics. If people don’t see an improvement to the services, then that’s just going to drive more people to populists.
Moan over… |
Yep. Agree.
The desperation to defend Starmer when it's clear that he and the McSweeney mob are a catastrophe who deserve everything that's coming to them seems bizarre. Is it because people want to cling to their simple worldview and feel virtuous for supporting 'the right side' despite all the evidence in front of their eyes? Or is it that most people don't really grasp what happened within the Labour party 2015-2020? Can't blame them as the media were complicit.
On the two child benefit cap, Labour are to the right of Reform. That's where we are. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 09:29 - May 31 with 698 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 09:07 - May 31 by jasondozzell |
Yep. Agree.
The desperation to defend Starmer when it's clear that he and the McSweeney mob are a catastrophe who deserve everything that's coming to them seems bizarre. Is it because people want to cling to their simple worldview and feel virtuous for supporting 'the right side' despite all the evidence in front of their eyes? Or is it that most people don't really grasp what happened within the Labour party 2015-2020? Can't blame them as the media were complicit.
On the two child benefit cap, Labour are to the right of Reform. That's where we are. |
What? | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 09:32 - May 31 with 699 views | DJR |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 09:07 - May 31 by jasondozzell |
Yep. Agree.
The desperation to defend Starmer when it's clear that he and the McSweeney mob are a catastrophe who deserve everything that's coming to them seems bizarre. Is it because people want to cling to their simple worldview and feel virtuous for supporting 'the right side' despite all the evidence in front of their eyes? Or is it that most people don't really grasp what happened within the Labour party 2015-2020? Can't blame them as the media were complicit.
On the two child benefit cap, Labour are to the right of Reform. That's where we are. |
The McSweeney Ming vase election strategy, whilst securing a massive majority in Parliament, was a complete failure in terms of narrative, principles and Labour vote share. Indeed, the vote share of 33.7% was only marginally higher than the 32.2% share that Corbyn got in 2019 (supposedly the worst Labour performance for decades). That to my mind is astonishing given how unpopular the Tories were.
Such a strategy never struck me as being a good basis for government, and so it has turned out, with policy not driven by principles but instead by events and focus groups. And the real danger is that by driving away Labour supporters (appalled by things like the cuts to disability benefits), the centre/centre left/left vote will be split three ways making it likely in my view that Reform will (under first past the post) win at the next election, having seemingly supplanted the Tories. [Post edited 31 May 9:34]
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 09:38 - May 31 with 689 views | DJR |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 09:29 - May 31 by redrickstuhaart |
What? |
You probably have to have been a member of the Labour Party to know what he means, as I was until a couple of years ago.
I had been a member since 1985, with a brief interlude under Blair, and was not someone who ever voted for Corbyn, so am not someone who can be put down as one of the usual suspects.
I just came to the conclusion that the Labour Party stood for nothing and was no longer the party I had once joined. [Post edited 31 May 9:41]
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 09:47 - May 31 with 666 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 09:32 - May 31 by DJR |
The McSweeney Ming vase election strategy, whilst securing a massive majority in Parliament, was a complete failure in terms of narrative, principles and Labour vote share. Indeed, the vote share of 33.7% was only marginally higher than the 32.2% share that Corbyn got in 2019 (supposedly the worst Labour performance for decades). That to my mind is astonishing given how unpopular the Tories were.
Such a strategy never struck me as being a good basis for government, and so it has turned out, with policy not driven by principles but instead by events and focus groups. And the real danger is that by driving away Labour supporters (appalled by things like the cuts to disability benefits), the centre/centre left/left vote will be split three ways making it likely in my view that Reform will (under first past the post) win at the next election, having seemingly supplanted the Tories. [Post edited 31 May 9:34]
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Oh completely. Farage has been nailed on to be PM for a year or so. Labour as handmaidens of the far right was inevitable as soon as McSweeney and co got their hands back on the controls. The McSweeney project was and is a total disgrace.
Those that deliberately wrecked Corbyn movement are going to be responsible for the Farage government in 2029. That includes most of the media. They are aghast and won't take any responsibility but that's the reality.
If you destroy any space for moderate democratic socialism, pursue a strategy which is about getting control back for a small group of entitled people, have no principles and spentd all your time wrecking rather than planning a coherent plan for government then this is what you get. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 10:36 - May 31 with 619 views | Benters |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 05:16 - May 31 by Rocky |
The Mail of the Express?
Odd that they never said that about Liz Truss. They thought she was wonderful. |
Nigel will sort it.
See it
Say it
Sorted. |  |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 10:43 - May 31 with 605 views | OldFart71 |
At the end of the day who believes politicians of whatever Party. They will all tell you what they will do when in power and then do just what they want.
Nobody can assume it's easy because as a leader you have to satisfy the various factions of your Party and at the same time try to satisfy your electorate who also all have different priorities and needs.
But you must also not be seen as weak, which also brings into question U turns and whether it is prudent and sensible to make them or just be seen as someone who changes policy dependent on which way the wind blows. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 10:53 - May 31 with 580 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 10:36 - May 31 by Benters |
Nigel will sort it.
See it
Say it
Sorted. |
Conceive it out of hatred
Lie about it
Convince people who can't think for themselves it exists
Say it
Say it
Say it
Say it
Say it
Utterly fail at doing anything about it
Lie about it
Blame everyone else
Say it
Say it
Say it
Say it
Say it
Retire on a huge wedge
Laugh about all the gullible people who thought you gave a toss about them
there I fixed it | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 10:59 - May 31 with 568 views | DJR |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 09:47 - May 31 by jasondozzell |
Oh completely. Farage has been nailed on to be PM for a year or so. Labour as handmaidens of the far right was inevitable as soon as McSweeney and co got their hands back on the controls. The McSweeney project was and is a total disgrace.
Those that deliberately wrecked Corbyn movement are going to be responsible for the Farage government in 2029. That includes most of the media. They are aghast and won't take any responsibility but that's the reality.
If you destroy any space for moderate democratic socialism, pursue a strategy which is about getting control back for a small group of entitled people, have no principles and spentd all your time wrecking rather than planning a coherent plan for government then this is what you get. |
Interesting article about the key role of McSweeney in the project.
I read it at the time and was surprised (but maybe not) that this article and her book didn't get more coverage.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/14/corbyn-had-flown-too-close-to-t
It also seems that this was part of the project: see in particular the second video.
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:04 - May 31 with 566 views | carlo88 |
A lot of people in this country, including parts of the right wing press and media, will only be happy when we become a mini US in all its Trumpist glory. You can see already what's happening over there, people are starting to leave.
We should be very thankful to Keir Starmer as presently he is all that's keeping us from ending up just like them. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:22 - May 31 with 532 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:04 - May 31 by carlo88 |
A lot of people in this country, including parts of the right wing press and media, will only be happy when we become a mini US in all its Trumpist glory. You can see already what's happening over there, people are starting to leave.
We should be very thankful to Keir Starmer as presently he is all that's keeping us from ending up just like them. |
Keir Starmer (or more correctly the Labour right) is exactly why we are going to end up like them. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:22 - May 31 with 530 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:04 - May 31 by carlo88 |
A lot of people in this country, including parts of the right wing press and media, will only be happy when we become a mini US in all its Trumpist glory. You can see already what's happening over there, people are starting to leave.
We should be very thankful to Keir Starmer as presently he is all that's keeping us from ending up just like them. |
Many have qualms about Starmer not being hard left or more Corybynish. Thats fine.
Quite why they seem to take such relish in undermining him and supporting criticisim, when he is clearly vastly preferable to Badenoch or Farage, is beyond me.
I haev a friend who endlessly posts quotes and memes about how evil starmer is, because he was a corbynite. Never posts criticism of trump, or the conservatives, or UKIP/BNP/Reform (whatever you want to call them) | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:29 - May 31 with 500 views | Plums |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:22 - May 31 by redrickstuhaart |
Many have qualms about Starmer not being hard left or more Corybynish. Thats fine.
Quite why they seem to take such relish in undermining him and supporting criticisim, when he is clearly vastly preferable to Badenoch or Farage, is beyond me.
I haev a friend who endlessly posts quotes and memes about how evil starmer is, because he was a corbynite. Never posts criticism of trump, or the conservatives, or UKIP/BNP/Reform (whatever you want to call them) |
Sadly, the Achilles heel of the labour movement (and one of the primary reasons I have never engaged with it on any level other than the odd tactical vote ) is becoming laid bare once again. More interested in fighting 'internal' idealogical battles than focusing on the war that's staring them in the face. See also the fragmented opposition to the Nazis across Europe and in Germany in particular in the 30's.
I also have one of those friends - who keeps talking about a new movement. I don't think a new movement is needed - the existing ones need to become the broad churches they claim to be and those within them need to effect the change they want from within. If they can't convince their stablemates, they won't convince the public. |  |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:30 - May 31 with 495 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:22 - May 31 by redrickstuhaart |
Many have qualms about Starmer not being hard left or more Corybynish. Thats fine.
Quite why they seem to take such relish in undermining him and supporting criticisim, when he is clearly vastly preferable to Badenoch or Farage, is beyond me.
I haev a friend who endlessly posts quotes and memes about how evil starmer is, because he was a corbynite. Never posts criticism of trump, or the conservatives, or UKIP/BNP/Reform (whatever you want to call them) |
What's your definition of hard left? Because I would say being to the right of Reform on the two child benefit cap for example doesn't suggest that we are even getting a soft left offering from Labour. Or even centrist.
Corbyn scrambled everyone's brains. What about just mild democratic socialism, not supporting genocide and cosying up to BlackRock? Is it possible to have a political offering like that without everyone losing their minds?
The thing about Trump and Reform etc (and I suppose the Brexit vote) in my opinion is that condemnation alone doesn't seek to understand any of it. It's a bizarre lack of curiosity. Centrists keep making the same mistake of treating Trump like the problem and not as a symptom. It's dangerous to label half of America as idiots or stupid.
Starmer is going to deliver Farage. [Post edited 31 May 11:34]
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:32 - May 31 with 489 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:29 - May 31 by Plums |
Sadly, the Achilles heel of the labour movement (and one of the primary reasons I have never engaged with it on any level other than the odd tactical vote ) is becoming laid bare once again. More interested in fighting 'internal' idealogical battles than focusing on the war that's staring them in the face. See also the fragmented opposition to the Nazis across Europe and in Germany in particular in the 30's.
I also have one of those friends - who keeps talking about a new movement. I don't think a new movement is needed - the existing ones need to become the broad churches they claim to be and those within them need to effect the change they want from within. If they can't convince their stablemates, they won't convince the public. |
The irony is that fighting internal factional ideological battles rather than focusing on the war that's staring them in the face precisely describes the current Labour government and the Starmer/McSweeney project.
It would be funny if it wasn't so serious. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:35 - May 31 with 479 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 10:36 - May 31 by Benters |
Nigel will sort it.
See it
Say it
Sorted. |
Which comic did you read that in |  | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:57 - May 31 with 442 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:04 - May 31 by carlo88 |
A lot of people in this country, including parts of the right wing press and media, will only be happy when we become a mini US in all its Trumpist glory. You can see already what's happening over there, people are starting to leave.
We should be very thankful to Keir Starmer as presently he is all that's keeping us from ending up just like them. |
“He’s not as bad as Trump, Farage, or Badenoxh” is a pretty low bar to be honest. You could put a bunch of monkeys in a room and they’d be better than those.
That seems to be about the best defence of Starmer that anyone can muster. How about tangibly improving public services, he barely even mentions it. I was optimistic when he came in, but he’s coming across completely visionless ans vacuous. More interested in politicking.
I’m not overly worried about reform, I think the FPTP will see them off - look how few seats they gained with so many votes. Labour have done okay on the economy given the various headwinds but they don’t seem to have any plan for actually fixing the country. Labour shifting back to Corbynism however isn’t the answer, it will only end in more electoral pain. But removing benefits to elderly people, obsessing about boat crossings, and failing to even consider any form of wealth taxation is hardly inspiring. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 12:22 - May 31 with 390 views | DJR |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:22 - May 31 by redrickstuhaart |
Many have qualms about Starmer not being hard left or more Corybynish. Thats fine.
Quite why they seem to take such relish in undermining him and supporting criticisim, when he is clearly vastly preferable to Badenoch or Farage, is beyond me.
I haev a friend who endlessly posts quotes and memes about how evil starmer is, because he was a corbynite. Never posts criticism of trump, or the conservatives, or UKIP/BNP/Reform (whatever you want to call them) |
I rarely comment here on Labour these days and am happy to reserve my fire for Trump and the like.
As regards hard left, I would interested to know if cutting welfare and disabled benefits by £5 billion is hard left, soft left or even centre, and I would be interested if anyone on here can justify it.
Interestingly, it has had little criticism outside the confines of disabled groups, certain Labour MPs and the Guardian, no doubt because it is popular to go after what are commonly called scroungers. But the Labour Party was not formed in order to go after the poorest in society. And interestingly it has had little criticism on TWTD, when no doubt if the Tories had done it, there would have been outrage.
Corbyn was not the answer not least because he was never a leader but he offered something (European social democracy) that I saw on streets during the 2017 election campaign won over many people under 50 in my London commuter town as the campaign progressed because they realised the current system (high rents, high house prices, little in the way of wage growth etc) just didn't favour them. Indeed, that appeared to be the explanation for the late surge in Labour votes.
Sadly, the baby was thrown out with the bathwater, and McSweeney has ensured, through the tight control on candidates, that a candidate even approaching soft left (or these days even centrist) will never lead the Labour Party.
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 12:29 - May 31 with 369 views | carlo88 |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:57 - May 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“He’s not as bad as Trump, Farage, or Badenoxh” is a pretty low bar to be honest. You could put a bunch of monkeys in a room and they’d be better than those.
That seems to be about the best defence of Starmer that anyone can muster. How about tangibly improving public services, he barely even mentions it. I was optimistic when he came in, but he’s coming across completely visionless ans vacuous. More interested in politicking.
I’m not overly worried about reform, I think the FPTP will see them off - look how few seats they gained with so many votes. Labour have done okay on the economy given the various headwinds but they don’t seem to have any plan for actually fixing the country. Labour shifting back to Corbynism however isn’t the answer, it will only end in more electoral pain. But removing benefits to elderly people, obsessing about boat crossings, and failing to even consider any form of wealth taxation is hardly inspiring. |
Unfortunately in politics we are frequently reduced to the least bad option, and Keir Starmer is certainly that. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 12:29 - May 31 with 367 views | Mullet |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 10:59 - May 31 by DJR |
Interesting article about the key role of McSweeney in the project.
I read it at the time and was surprised (but maybe not) that this article and her book didn't get more coverage.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/14/corbyn-had-flown-too-close-to-t
It also seems that this was part of the project: see in particular the second video.
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I’m not sure Jones is a good source. Apart from being a bit of a prick at times, his own embarrassing attempts to gain prominence under Corbyn has left him tarnished and discredited.
I’ve been disappointed to hear Starmer take on board the rhetoric, but it at least seems part of an ongoing attack on the Turqoise terrorists at home. I’d like to see Labour bring the greens to the fore. It wouldn’t split their vote, and the nonsense spited about net zero would be their wheelhouse.
One thing that we all need to get used to is that the Tories aren’t the natural enemy of Labour or the British public anymore. That explains a lot of what we are seeing in the last six months. | |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 12:32 - May 31 with 358 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 12:29 - May 31 by carlo88 |
Unfortunately in politics we are frequently reduced to the least bad option, and Keir Starmer is certainly that. |
Not good enough I'm afraid in the times we live in. If you govern as the least worst option you will lose to Reform.
Also least worst option is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Does that mean actively supporting a genocide, courting BlackRock, cutting disability benefit, winter fuel allowance, seeing AI as the answer and thinking imaginary carbon capture tech is the climate change solution? | | | |
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