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Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:54 - Jun 1 by DJR
Absolutely. And if Labour could win on 33.7% of the vote, so could Reform.
Even just not bothering to vote could lead to disaster. Have long held the view that elections are lost, rather than won. No one did more to lose an election than Tories last time around.
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 20:46 - May 30 by redrickstuhaart
Has he done a constituency surgery yet, or been to parliament for several days in a row?
Nigel has been in Vegas at Bitcoin 2025 where he unveiled the draft Crypto Assets and Digital Finance Bill. He gave a great fireside which went down very well with the bros! Link below for anyone mildly interested.
All sounds reasonable although needs filling out a bit obviously. 10% CGT is sensible as people may actually be OK with paying that!
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Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:14 - Jun 1 with 1102 views
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:03 - Jun 1 by Bluecoin
Nigel has been in Vegas at Bitcoin 2025 where he unveiled the draft Crypto Assets and Digital Finance Bill. He gave a great fireside which went down very well with the bros! Link below for anyone mildly interested.
All sounds reasonable although needs filling out a bit obviously. 10% CGT is sensible as people may actually be OK with paying that!
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CGT is another tax on income we've already paid tax on. We're taxed up to the eye balls. 24% is criminal.
Trump and Farage have both recognised the crypto crowd is a powerful ally. Starmer needs to learn from this and make the UK more crypto friendly.
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:14 - Jun 1 by J2BLUE
CGT is another tax on income we've already paid tax on. We're taxed up to the eye balls. 24% is criminal.
Trump and Farage have both recognised the crypto crowd is a powerful ally. Starmer needs to learn from this and make the UK more crypto friendly.
Labour hasn't got a clue about it. Nor the Tories. The UK is in real danger of being left behind in Crypto, and AI. Other countries are so much further ahead.
24% is ridiculous. So is the allowance. Some very good crypto savvy accountants out there, who come at a cost. 10% may be low enough to avoid paying their fees, moving expenses (Dubai etc), and the hassle!
JD gave a great speach at the same conference. Very encouraging from the Trump administration so far.
It's all quite bullish in the crypto space right now! Good luck!
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Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:34 - Jun 1 with 1037 views
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:30 - Jun 1 by Bluecoin
Labour hasn't got a clue about it. Nor the Tories. The UK is in real danger of being left behind in Crypto, and AI. Other countries are so much further ahead.
24% is ridiculous. So is the allowance. Some very good crypto savvy accountants out there, who come at a cost. 10% may be low enough to avoid paying their fees, moving expenses (Dubai etc), and the hassle!
JD gave a great speach at the same conference. Very encouraging from the Trump administration so far.
It's all quite bullish in the crypto space right now! Good luck!
They should allow us to use our ISA allowance for Bitcoin.
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:43 - Jun 1 by redrickstuhaart
The alternative is the rich people put all their money in big appreciating assets like property and get ever richer at the expense of everyone else...
Property should be excluded unless it's your primary residence.
Once people have paid their fair share of tax what they do with their money should be their business. Housing should be excluded as it's clearly a national issue.
The rich can already store their wealth in property. Unless they sell there's no tax. How many rich people regularly see assets and pay the full CGT?
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:48 - Jun 1 by J2BLUE
Property should be excluded unless it's your primary residence.
Once people have paid their fair share of tax what they do with their money should be their business. Housing should be excluded as it's clearly a national issue.
The rich can already store their wealth in property. Unless they sell there's no tax. How many rich people regularly see assets and pay the full CGT?
Whats the issue then? If you dont want to pay CGT dont sell!
You can profit to the tune of £3k a year without any cgt at all. This is an issue primarily for wealthy people. Seems fair enough to me.
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Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:57 - Jun 1 with 943 views
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:57 - Jun 1 by J2BLUE
At the very least the allowance should be higher.
Why? Being able to pile funds into assets capable of returning 3k a year (for no real effort) seems a very privileged position. Surely we need to address more fundamental tax issues like the basic rate and allowance being pitched at a level that means people can live without benefits, before we mess with that?
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Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 14:02 - Jun 1 with 921 views
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:58 - Jun 1 by redrickstuhaart
Why? Being able to pile funds into assets capable of returning 3k a year (for no real effort) seems a very privileged position. Surely we need to address more fundamental tax issues like the basic rate and allowance being pitched at a level that means people can live without benefits, before we mess with that?
As I said, once you have paid tax on income you then have to pay tax on any profit if you buy assets or VAT if you spend it.
I think the allowance should be higher. I can agree with your points and still think the allowance should be higher for CGT
There's quite a few taxes I disagree with actually. Well, not so much the tax, but the low allowances.
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 14:02 - Jun 1 by J2BLUE
As I said, once you have paid tax on income you then have to pay tax on any profit if you buy assets or VAT if you spend it.
I think the allowance should be higher. I can agree with your points and still think the allowance should be higher for CGT
There's quite a few taxes I disagree with actually. Well, not so much the tax, but the low allowances.
Our public services are crumbling, I'm not sure tax breaks for those fortunate enough to profit substantially from investments should really be a priority right now.
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 14:02 - Jun 1 by J2BLUE
As I said, once you have paid tax on income you then have to pay tax on any profit if you buy assets or VAT if you spend it.
I think the allowance should be higher. I can agree with your points and still think the allowance should be higher for CGT
There's quite a few taxes I disagree with actually. Well, not so much the tax, but the low allowances.
There are too many people who already take their income via dividends and other investment income. How is it fair they (people like Sunak, or those who were lucky enough to inherit lots of wealth and never work) therefore pay an effective income tax rate lower than a Nurse?.
PAYE earners get absolutely rinsed, and I’d include anyone over 100k (where at points you pay an effective 62pc rate). The truly wealthy don’t take a salary for that reason, and pay themselves in dividends or take a loan out against the value of their equity.
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Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 14:20 - Jun 1 with 835 views
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 10:34 - Jun 1 by DJR
Better for me meanings building a bedrock of support, which 33.7% of the vote at the General Election (one percentage point higher than in 2019) is not.
As it is, I don't see it as a binary choice between Corbynism and Starmerism, which is how it is always portrayed. Just a little bit more hope of a little bit of European social democracy would do it for me. And it is not just me. Two fellow Labour committee members who were never Corbynistas have (like me) left the party, with the danger that many like-minded people will drift off to the Greens or perhaps Lib Dems.
And when it comes to Starmer, attacks from the left get very little publicity. The attacks on him have come from the right wing media from day one and have been relentless.
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I don’t think that’s surprising given the right wing chokehold on the media, but they gain attention in the right (no pun intended) spaces and amongst people wavering etc.
You and I might not see it as a binary choice but plenty of people do, I think that’s self evident, social media isn’t just the far right snakepit of twitter.
Party members make up such a small fraction of the electorate that it makes it hard to bridge the gaps between them, natural voters and floating voters. That’s why pragmatism in those terms needs to be the first stop. I’m not convinced Labour have always managed to either get that right, or get the message right either.
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:34 - Jun 1 by J2BLUE
Yes I know but if I buy an asset with after tax income I think taking 24% on any profit is a liberty.
I suppose it could me said that many millions of people in this country would love to have an asset that they pay CGT on.
To take as an example, 37.9% of those aged 55-73 (thought to be a relatively well-off group) have less than £1,000 in savings according to recent research by Forbes.
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Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 14:37 - Jun 1 with 794 views
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 14:20 - Jun 1 by Mullet
I don’t think that’s surprising given the right wing chokehold on the media, but they gain attention in the right (no pun intended) spaces and amongst people wavering etc.
You and I might not see it as a binary choice but plenty of people do, I think that’s self evident, social media isn’t just the far right snakepit of twitter.
Party members make up such a small fraction of the electorate that it makes it hard to bridge the gaps between them, natural voters and floating voters. That’s why pragmatism in those terms needs to be the first stop. I’m not convinced Labour have always managed to either get that right, or get the message right either.
The pragmatism argument crumbles on any kind of close inspection.
The policies in the Corbyn manifesto were (and remain) incredibly popular with the public. Starmer got fewer votes last year than Corbyn in 2019 despite the press virtually throwing through the door of No 10.
The constant McSweeney obsession with pragmatism that supposes virtually everyone in UK is right wing psychopath who must be placated is bizarre. And surely the evidence shows that tack has failed completely. All that is being asked for is the mildest form of democratic socialism.
Let's take one issue. Water nationalisation. Overwhelming public support for it. It makes sense on so many levels. And yet we have a Labour government who get spooked at the idea because they're so in thrall to a dead 25 year old doctrine.
The public aren't daft. They know how disingenuous Starmer et al are. By not standing for anything they are merely clearing the ground for Reform in 2029.
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Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 14:38 - Jun 1 with 788 views
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 14:20 - Jun 1 by Mullet
I don’t think that’s surprising given the right wing chokehold on the media, but they gain attention in the right (no pun intended) spaces and amongst people wavering etc.
You and I might not see it as a binary choice but plenty of people do, I think that’s self evident, social media isn’t just the far right snakepit of twitter.
Party members make up such a small fraction of the electorate that it makes it hard to bridge the gaps between them, natural voters and floating voters. That’s why pragmatism in those terms needs to be the first stop. I’m not convinced Labour have always managed to either get that right, or get the message right either.
The collapse in the Labour vote has very little to do with party members, or former party members.
Indeed, even in London, traditionally a Labour stronghold, the vote is collapsing.
That’s sort of my point, I think maybe you’ve misunderstood me/ I wasn’t clear. It’s not just the goalposts moving but the whole pitch with the Tories out of the picture.
I can see where you’re coming from but I don’t think any of us can appreciate the true lay of the land until some time in the future. Farage, Trump, Putin all represent significant departures from the status quo with their moves in the last year. I’m not surprised, but disappointed there hasn’t been something more coherent but I get why.
The focus on majorities over minorities in attracting support is clearly taking the eye of the government and their rivals it seems. I wonder how much is demographic shifts in places, how much is media slant and how much is panic or desperation on the other side of Covid.
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:03 - Jun 1 by Bluecoin
Nigel has been in Vegas at Bitcoin 2025 where he unveiled the draft Crypto Assets and Digital Finance Bill. He gave a great fireside which went down very well with the bros! Link below for anyone mildly interested.
All sounds reasonable although needs filling out a bit obviously. 10% CGT is sensible as people may actually be OK with paying that!
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If someone was not convinced about Crypto as an unregulated asset class, then surely the association of Nigel Farage will convince people..
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Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 15:51 - Jun 1 with 655 views
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 13:03 - Jun 1 by Bluecoin
Nigel has been in Vegas at Bitcoin 2025 where he unveiled the draft Crypto Assets and Digital Finance Bill. He gave a great fireside which went down very well with the bros! Link below for anyone mildly interested.
All sounds reasonable although needs filling out a bit obviously. 10% CGT is sensible as people may actually be OK with paying that!
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The fact that Vance, Trump and Farage are pushing crypto so heavily should give people pause on the subject.
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Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 16:04 - Jun 1 with 617 views
Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 11:30 - May 31 by jasondozzell
What's your definition of hard left? Because I would say being to the right of Reform on the two child benefit cap for example doesn't suggest that we are even getting a soft left offering from Labour. Or even centrist.
Corbyn scrambled everyone's brains. What about just mild democratic socialism, not supporting genocide and cosying up to BlackRock? Is it possible to have a political offering like that without everyone losing their minds?
The thing about Trump and Reform etc (and I suppose the Brexit vote) in my opinion is that condemnation alone doesn't seek to understand any of it. It's a bizarre lack of curiosity. Centrists keep making the same mistake of treating Trump like the problem and not as a symptom. It's dangerous to label half of America as idiots or stupid.
Starmer is going to deliver Farage.
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Your third para summed it up well for me. Trump and Farage are not the problem. They are the symptom of an electorate that thinks they are not being listened to by those in power. Hence they act in desperation to try to take back control.
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