| Huni's count 23:26 - Jun 7 with 6657 views | Zx1988 |
I don't do boxing, so help me out a little here please.
I'm seeing a lot of talk on social media about the count for Huni being particularly fast, or otherwise non-standard. Is there any credence to the claims?
Does a boxer merely have to be up before the count of 10, or do they need to be up, compus mentus, and ready to go? |  |
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| Huni's count on 12:21 - Jun 8 with 872 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
No major controversy.
Huni was just about staggering on to his feet at 9 so maybe made the 10 just about but it's not a bad decision by any means. Some refs would let that go, others wouldn't.
If Huni was the hometown guy, maybe they let him fight on. But I dont think it is a "bad" count. |  |
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| Huni's count on 12:40 - Jun 8 with 838 views | Herbivore |
| Huni's count on 11:57 - Jun 8 by textbackup |
Expert in everything he talks about.
Impressive really |
Yeah, some of us like to be clued up on stuff rather than just spouting a load of gubbins. |  |
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| Huni's count on 12:52 - Jun 8 with 815 views | NthQldITFC |
Blimey, they're bigging up the status of the fight just a little there, aren't they. Not like the Aussies to whinge! |  |
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| Huni's count on 13:10 - Jun 8 with 791 views | textbackup |
| Huni's count on 12:40 - Jun 8 by Herbivore |
Yeah, some of us like to be clued up on stuff rather than just spouting a load of gubbins. |
Proper hero |  |
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| Huni's count on 13:30 - Jun 8 with 751 views | Herbivore |
| Huni's count on 13:10 - Jun 8 by textbackup |
Proper hero |
Thanks, mate. | |
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| Huni's count on 13:54 - Jun 8 with 707 views | mellowblue |
| Huni's count on 07:31 - Jun 8 by BlueBoots |
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Video of the count posted later in the thread - ref didn't look in Huni's eyes once during the count before waving his arms around stopping the fight; didn't have to because he was down for the full 10 (yep, sad enough to have stopwatched it  ) |
Refs rarely count from the second the boxer is down. In boxing terms that looked an 8 count to me and no real check as to whether he could continue. An extra couple of seconds would have made a difference. Given the situation of the fight the ref could have been more lenient with the time-keeping and at least get on his feet fully for a proper judgement call. The fight deserved it. Not as if Huni had had a lot of punishment. | | | |
| Huni's count on 14:10 - Jun 8 with 680 views | AlexMathie |
| Huni's count on 13:54 - Jun 8 by mellowblue |
Refs rarely count from the second the boxer is down. In boxing terms that looked an 8 count to me and no real check as to whether he could continue. An extra couple of seconds would have made a difference. Given the situation of the fight the ref could have been more lenient with the time-keeping and at least get on his feet fully for a proper judgement call. The fight deserved it. Not as if Huni had had a lot of punishment. |
Wardley lands the punch with 1:28 of the round to go and Huni is counted out at 1:18. Not sure what the fuss is about!? | |
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| Huni's count on 14:17 - Jun 8 with 656 views | mellowblue |
| Huni's count on 14:10 - Jun 8 by AlexMathie |
Wardley lands the punch with 1:28 of the round to go and Huni is counted out at 1:18. Not sure what the fuss is about!? |
The 10 count rule is only notionally 10 seconds. There is a bit of flexibility built in. Hence you will always get what might be considered long or short counts. Ref's discretion. I think he could have allowed another couple of seconds to evaluate whether he was in a state to defend himself. It would have probably been academic anyway. | | | |
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| Huni's count on 14:42 - Jun 8 with 625 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 14:10 - Jun 8 by AlexMathie |
Wardley lands the punch with 1:28 of the round to go and Huni is counted out at 1:18. Not sure what the fuss is about!? |
You’re not making the point you think you are. |  | | |
| Huni's count on 14:45 - Jun 8 with 615 views | mellowblue |
| Huni's count on 14:42 - Jun 8 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You’re not making the point you think you are. |
Ha ha, I did not notice that. And I answered the post. | | | |
| Huni's count on 14:51 - Jun 8 with 610 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 11:57 - Jun 8 by textbackup |
Expert in everything he talks about.
Impressive really |
Extremely tedious and agenda driven whatever the topic of conversation. Never seen him say one critique of ITFC in years, has an answer for everything. | | | |
| Huni's count on 14:51 - Jun 8 with 603 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 14:45 - Jun 8 by mellowblue |
Ha ha, I did not notice that. And I answered the post. |
It’s very hard work sometimes. | | | |
| Huni's count on 14:59 - Jun 8 with 590 views | Herbivore |
| Huni's count on 14:51 - Jun 8 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Extremely tedious and agenda driven whatever the topic of conversation. Never seen him say one critique of ITFC in years, has an answer for everything. |
If you want to bitch about me like a 12 year old girl, you can do it directly rather than gossiping with Texters. | |
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| Huni's count on 15:02 - Jun 8 with 581 views | DavoIPB |
| Huni's count on 00:56 - Jun 8 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
What did he start the count at? Anyone that knows the sport at all would say this was a pretty fast count. He waved it off without even checking if he was clear eyed as Huni wasn’t looking at him but got back to his feet in time.
Normal procedure would be to touch gloves, ask if he’s ok and then let it go on if he feels he was ok to do so. That didn’t happen but I get plenty of fans that might have watched this don’t often watch the sport. |
That was insanely quick. He was getting up when ref went over to him and only a couple of seconds later was back on feet shaking fists which is a sign limbering up to continue. | | | |
| Huni's count on 15:23 - Jun 8 with 529 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 15:02 - Jun 8 by DavoIPB |
That was insanely quick. He was getting up when ref went over to him and only a couple of seconds later was back on feet shaking fists which is a sign limbering up to continue. |
The result that event needed happened, that’s boxing. Shame we were robbed of seeing if Fab was going to finish him off though, as I think he likely would have done. It was still a great moment of drama at PR of course, putting someone on their ass when basically out of the fight, it’s what makes the heavyweight division great. Pleased for Wardley and everyone that went.
Unfortunately what a lot of people are failing to understand is how much discretion the ref has in these situations. It’s generally 12 seconds from the punch landing, hitting the deck in total time. As I’ve been trying to explain, 10 exact seconds isn’t the 10 count. Very unusual to see that. When someone is up that big, previously unhurt and back on his feet combined with being that quick a count, then it’s a home town call IMO. Others may disagree but not sure they are looking at it super objectively, or maybe don’t watch much Boxing.
If Fab was up by 7/8 rounds and got stopped on exactly 10 from the punch landing when being back on his feet, it would have gone into full meltdown. If we are being honest, we know that actually wouldn’t have happened at Portman Road. Which is also the love and hate of boxing summed up for many, the potentially unfair advantages based on opponent/location. Huni was very relaxed and nice and friendly from start to finish really. [Post edited 8 Jun 15:27]
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| Huni's count on 15:25 - Jun 8 with 525 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 14:59 - Jun 8 by Herbivore |
If you want to bitch about me like a 12 year old girl, you can do it directly rather than gossiping with Texters. |
I’m in danger of getting caught up in it again and ruining my Sunday morning schedule, so I quickly replied to him and text all my school friends about you instead. | | | |
| Huni's count on 15:29 - Jun 8 with 515 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Huni's count on 13:54 - Jun 8 by mellowblue |
Refs rarely count from the second the boxer is down. In boxing terms that looked an 8 count to me and no real check as to whether he could continue. An extra couple of seconds would have made a difference. Given the situation of the fight the ref could have been more lenient with the time-keeping and at least get on his feet fully for a proper judgement call. The fight deserved it. Not as if Huni had had a lot of punishment. |
Louder for the people at the back! | | | |
| Huni's count on 15:41 - Jun 8 with 496 views | tcblue |
Feels like peak TWTD for folks to be having an argument about Ipswich bias on a thread about a different sport  | | | |
| Huni's count on 15:55 - Jun 8 with 462 views | NthQldITFC |
| Huni's count on 13:54 - Jun 8 by mellowblue |
Refs rarely count from the second the boxer is down. In boxing terms that looked an 8 count to me and no real check as to whether he could continue. An extra couple of seconds would have made a difference. Given the situation of the fight the ref could have been more lenient with the time-keeping and at least get on his feet fully for a proper judgement call. The fight deserved it. Not as if Huni had had a lot of punishment. |
So it's an arbitrary ten count then, or what the ref feels might be right, in which case IF it was less than ten last night, maybe the ref sort of felt that was OK, so who's to argue?
^ bit of a silly sentence, but the point is if it's not an absolute 10 seconds (or as close as can be done by combination of timekeeper and ref) then no-one can really moan if the count looks like an 8 count, Shirley? | |
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| Huni's count on 16:35 - Jun 8 with 423 views | Mullet |
| Huni's count on 14:17 - Jun 8 by mellowblue |
The 10 count rule is only notionally 10 seconds. There is a bit of flexibility built in. Hence you will always get what might be considered long or short counts. Ref's discretion. I think he could have allowed another couple of seconds to evaluate whether he was in a state to defend himself. It would have probably been academic anyway. |
I think he’d also drawn blood from memory, small cut on nose or cheek of Huni who was wobbling. You can argue home advantage or whatever, but I don’t think the stoppage was particularly outrageous. Definitely not the kind you see in other contests/combat sports.
Surprised this thread has got so heated about something that’s marginal and not especially problematic. |  |
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| Huni's count on 16:47 - Jun 8 with 404 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Ref visibly looked over to time keeper and continued the count from where he started. Huni was down and done, no protest from him. Subsequent complaints in media are to market a lucrative rematch.
There’s rightly much more protection of fighters these days.
Great show the club and promoters put on, good atmosphere too. Wardley would have been lucky to score a single round, but showed a lot of heart - and at heavyweight one mistake can be costly. | | | |
| Huni's count on 17:07 - Jun 8 with 359 views | NIblue |
| Huni's count on 16:47 - Jun 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Ref visibly looked over to time keeper and continued the count from where he started. Huni was down and done, no protest from him. Subsequent complaints in media are to market a lucrative rematch.
There’s rightly much more protection of fighters these days.
Great show the club and promoters put on, good atmosphere too. Wardley would have been lucky to score a single round, but showed a lot of heart - and at heavyweight one mistake can be costly. |
Isn’t Huni with Eddie Hearn? Eddie complains about everything when his fighters don’t win. Probably his idea to launch an appeal.
My view is it was probably a slight hometown decision, but definitely not a scandal |  | | |
| Huni's count on 17:14 - Jun 8 with 333 views | Keno |
| Huni's count on 17:07 - Jun 8 by NIblue |
Isn’t Huni with Eddie Hearn? Eddie complains about everything when his fighters don’t win. Probably his idea to launch an appeal.
My view is it was probably a slight hometown decision, but definitely not a scandal |
Another consoderation here is that the ref has to take the Hunis well being into considersation
Imagine the outcry if he’d let the fight on, Huni has taken a few more blows and ended up with a brain injury or worse?
I’m happy if the refs err on the side of caution |  |
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| Huni's count on 17:26 - Jun 8 with 313 views | PhilTWTD |
| Huni's count on 16:47 - Jun 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Ref visibly looked over to time keeper and continued the count from where he started. Huni was down and done, no protest from him. Subsequent complaints in media are to market a lucrative rematch.
There’s rightly much more protection of fighters these days.
Great show the club and promoters put on, good atmosphere too. Wardley would have been lucky to score a single round, but showed a lot of heart - and at heavyweight one mistake can be costly. |
Does seem to be an appeal launched after seeing some of the reaction on social media rather than a genuine immediate reaction. Not sure I've seen much which disagrees with your assessment from boxing insiders, so to speak. |  | | |
| Huni's count on 17:30 - Jun 8 with 289 views | DJR |
The is the WBA rule on knock-downs.
Knockdown.
When a boxer is knocked down, the referee shall order the opponent
to retire to the farthest neutral corner of the ring in relation to the down boxer, pointing at such corner, and shall immediately count the seconds in a loud voice, with a movement of his arm, taking the count from the timekeeper. If the boxer refuses to go to the farthest corner determined by the referee, or does not stay there, the referee shall stop the count until the boxer retires to the indicated corner, and then the referee shall continue with the count starting from the point from which it was interrupted. If the downed boxer does not rise before the count of ten (10), he will be declared the loser by KO (Knockout), and the referee shall make it known by waving both arms. A boxer who rises and can continue the bout shall receive a minimum count of eight (8) seconds.
I also came across this on the following website, although I can't vouch for it.
https://expertboxing.com/how-does-the-10-count-work-in-boxing
"The “ten-count” was originally introduced to boxing as “the gentleman’s rule” as in never hitting an opponent while he’s down. When an opponent gets knocked down, the ref sends the other fighter to a neutral WHITE corner (where he can’t get coached) and gives the downed fighter 10 seconds to get back up on his feet. If he’s up by 10, the ref checks him over one last time (looking at his overall health, eyes, balance) and wipes his gloves before letting the fight continue. If he doesn’t get up by 10, the fight is waved off and a KNOCKOUT victory is declared for the other fighter.
Nowadays the 10 count is enforced unevenly depending on who is getting knocked down. If the visiting fighter is downed, the count starts immediately when he hits the canvas and refs are often quick to wave him off even when he gets up. They’ll claim, “I saw it in his eyes. He looked out of it.”
But when the home fighter is knocked down, the ref takes his time sending the visiting fighter to the neutral corner before issuing a slow 10-count. Then when the home fighter gets up, the ref gives him extra seconds by asking him if he’s ready to continue (sometimes even holding him up), also wiping his gloves, and then finally letting the fight resume."
The only observation I would make is that he didn't look stable on his feet when he got up, so I am not sure he has any real complaints. [Post edited 8 Jun 17:44]
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