| Air India 171 11:30 - Jun 12 with 7694 views | Swansea_Blue |
Just awful. RIP to all those who lost their lives and my thoughts are with everyone affected. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 11:42 - Jun 12 with 4211 views | Trequartista |
It looks fairly stable as it loses height, i.e. had it landed in a field there may have only been a few injuries, but it crashes into a building with a massive fireball so yeah, absolutely horrific. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 12:39 - Jun 12 with 4021 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Air India 171 on 11:42 - Jun 12 by Trequartista |
It looks fairly stable as it loses height, i.e. had it landed in a field there may have only been a few injuries, but it crashes into a building with a massive fireball so yeah, absolutely horrific. |
From first images released, the flaps were not set for take-off correctly so it would never have been able to gain height correctly.
Especially full-laden with fuel and at the temperature it was in India.
Images here - https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india-flight-ai171-plane- [Post edited 12 Jun 12:40]
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| Air India 171 on 12:50 - Jun 12 with 3929 views | Guthrum |
| Air India 171 on 11:42 - Jun 12 by Trequartista |
It looks fairly stable as it loses height, i.e. had it landed in a field there may have only been a few injuries, but it crashes into a building with a massive fireball so yeah, absolutely horrific. |
Problem is, at take-off the 'plane has maximum fuel, which is always likely to cause a fire, even crashing onto flat terrain. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 12:54 - Jun 12 with 3898 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Air India 171 on 12:50 - Jun 12 by Guthrum |
Problem is, at take-off the 'plane has maximum fuel, which is always likely to cause a fire, even crashing onto flat terrain. |
Indeed, and this is about 12 seconds after take-off.
No time to react and travelling at 180mph it’s never going to end well, flat-terrain or not | | | |
| Air India 171 on 12:56 - Jun 12 with 3876 views | _clive_baker_ |
Absolutely tragic. |  | | |
| Air India 171 on 13:26 - Jun 12 with 3756 views | Churchman |
I can’t really see the flaps, but certainly it lacked airspeed and stalled into the ground. The data recorders, crew conversation with the footage should tell the story. Very sad.
The Boeing 787 has proven a reliable aeroplane since it’s teething troubles were resolved. Given the miserable publicity they’ve been getting, I’m sure Boeing will want this resolved ASAP. |  | | |
| Air India 171 on 13:32 - Jun 12 with 3725 views | Swansea_Blue |
That’s the initial view from all the various experts the BBC have been rolling out. We’ll have to see from the black box if it was pilot error or equipment failure, but it sounds like they didn’t stand a chance if they didn’t realise/couldn’t set the flaps. | |
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| Air India 171 on 13:36 - Jun 12 with 3684 views | textbackup |
So sad.
Unrelated I know, but just finished the BBC drama about Lockerbie, the thought of being at the airport to pick up loved ones and you see the panic, reading the news, would be sickening.
Gatwick will have a very strange feeling at 1825 today I’m sure.
RIP |  |
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| Air India 171 on 13:38 - Jun 12 with 3687 views | StokieBlue |
| Air India 171 on 13:26 - Jun 12 by Churchman |
I can’t really see the flaps, but certainly it lacked airspeed and stalled into the ground. The data recorders, crew conversation with the footage should tell the story. Very sad.
The Boeing 787 has proven a reliable aeroplane since it’s teething troubles were resolved. Given the miserable publicity they’ve been getting, I’m sure Boeing will want this resolved ASAP. |
This might not be a mechanical issue on the 787 but they have had a lot of issues with the engines from both suppliers and there was a whistleblower engineer came out last year saying the entire fleet should be grounded.
And then of course there is this which is still an issue:
"The FAA mandates that Boeing 787 operators completely shut down their aircraft and reboot them every 51 days to prevent potential issues with stale data and system failures. This is due to a software flaw that could cause the aircraft's power generators to crash if the system uptime counter overflows after 248 days".
Don't fix the bug, just switch it off and on again every 51 days.
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| Air India 171 on 13:46 - Jun 12 with 3609 views | textbackup |
| Air India 171 on 13:38 - Jun 12 by StokieBlue |
This might not be a mechanical issue on the 787 but they have had a lot of issues with the engines from both suppliers and there was a whistleblower engineer came out last year saying the entire fleet should be grounded.
And then of course there is this which is still an issue:
"The FAA mandates that Boeing 787 operators completely shut down their aircraft and reboot them every 51 days to prevent potential issues with stale data and system failures. This is due to a software flaw that could cause the aircraft's power generators to crash if the system uptime counter overflows after 248 days".
Don't fix the bug, just switch it off and on again every 51 days.
SB |
Do we know that the 51 day shut down is still being carried out as a mitigating action?
Is there work ongoing that joe public don’t know about to fix the bug in question?
TB | |
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| Air India 171 on 13:51 - Jun 12 with 3560 views | Churchman |
| Air India 171 on 13:38 - Jun 12 by StokieBlue |
This might not be a mechanical issue on the 787 but they have had a lot of issues with the engines from both suppliers and there was a whistleblower engineer came out last year saying the entire fleet should be grounded.
And then of course there is this which is still an issue:
"The FAA mandates that Boeing 787 operators completely shut down their aircraft and reboot them every 51 days to prevent potential issues with stale data and system failures. This is due to a software flaw that could cause the aircraft's power generators to crash if the system uptime counter overflows after 248 days".
Don't fix the bug, just switch it off and on again every 51 days.
SB |
Boeing have certainly had all sorts of issues including alleged poor quality control and inadequate procedures. However the 787 is a good aircraft and it’s too soon to speculate.
The default setting in any accident is to blame the crew, rightly or wrongly, and I’d not be surprised in Trumpworld if that doesn’t happen quickly. Shame if it does, as an open mind should be kept until there is true understanding as to why this accident happened. | | | |
| Air India 171 on 14:01 - Jun 12 with 3492 views | StokieBlue |
| Air India 171 on 13:46 - Jun 12 by textbackup |
Do we know that the 51 day shut down is still being carried out as a mitigating action?
Is there work ongoing that joe public don’t know about to fix the bug in question?
TB |
Good questions, perhaps you can look into it and report back to us?
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| Air India 171 on 14:06 - Jun 12 with 3431 views | cressi |
Puts life into perspective. Same as when u see innocent people been killed in the name of war. |  | | |
| Air India 171 on 14:10 - Jun 12 with 3423 views | DanTheMan |
Whatever you do, don't look at anything on Twitter about it cos there are some incredibly graphic photos and videos doing the rounds apparently.
A few aviation bods seem to be suggesting it seems like there was a complete engine / power failure because the RAT was deployed which is some form of emergency power equipment. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 14:22 - Jun 12 with 3296 views | Kievthegreat |
| Air India 171 on 14:10 - Jun 12 by DanTheMan |
Whatever you do, don't look at anything on Twitter about it cos there are some incredibly graphic photos and videos doing the rounds apparently.
A few aviation bods seem to be suggesting it seems like there was a complete engine / power failure because the RAT was deployed which is some form of emergency power equipment. |
RAT is a ram air turbine. Essentially it's a tiny wind turbine you drop out the fuselage when you've lost power. It can help restore some very limited power and control, but obviously you'd be gliding at that point. It is the absolute last resort failsafe and TBH it's a very limited one at that.
I remember my lecturer sayings about a RAT is that if you've had such a comprehensive failure that you actually need it (sometimes it is deployed just in case), you're probably already a passenger. |  | | |
| Air India 171 on 14:41 - Jun 12 with 3179 views | textbackup |
| Air India 171 on 14:01 - Jun 12 by StokieBlue |
Good questions, perhaps you can look into it and report back to us?
SB |
I thought as you had that first bit of info that you might have more. But no worries.
I can barely track my own problem records and tasks, let alone another companies! | |
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| Air India 171 on 14:44 - Jun 12 with 3167 views | blueasfook |
| Air India 171 on 14:41 - Jun 12 by textbackup |
I thought as you had that first bit of info that you might have more. But no worries.
I can barely track my own problem records and tasks, let alone another companies! |
Get over to Boeing and don't come back until you have answers. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 14:46 - Jun 12 with 3152 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
Ergh. All those people existing and conscious one moment and no longer the next. Horrific. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 14:48 - Jun 12 with 3120 views | giant_stow |
| Air India 171 on 14:10 - Jun 12 by DanTheMan |
Whatever you do, don't look at anything on Twitter about it cos there are some incredibly graphic photos and videos doing the rounds apparently.
A few aviation bods seem to be suggesting it seems like there was a complete engine / power failure because the RAT was deployed which is some form of emergency power equipment. |
Thanks for the warning. I only drop by Twitter occasionally these days, so appreciate it. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 15:04 - Jun 12 with 3019 views | MJallday |
| Air India 171 on 14:48 - Jun 12 by giant_stow |
Thanks for the warning. I only drop by Twitter occasionally these days, so appreciate it. |
yeah dont do it. theres one particualar image which is rather...not good.
i am seeing however, news of 3 survivors, 2 from the aircraft - which is unconfirmed -but if proved - a miracle |  |
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| Air India 171 on 15:34 - Jun 12 with 2892 views | Guthrum |
There's footage (CCTV on the airport, at a guess) of the takeoff roll, rotation and starts to climb a few hundred feet (1.5 to 2 wingspans, which would roughly correspond with the reported barometric readings), then suddenly seems to lose impetus and start descending to impact.
None of the vido I've seen is clear enough to tell what the flap configuration might be. | |
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| Air India 171 on 15:37 - Jun 12 with 2882 views | blueasfook |
Just got a notification from my BBC app that 1 person survived. Not sure if accurate, but it's from BBC | |
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| Air India 171 on 15:42 - Jun 12 with 2808 views | blueasfook |
So 11A is the seat you want to be in on a 787 it seems! | |
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