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Must actually be the biggest loss of British life in a single event for a long time. The extend of people affected from when you think of all the loved ones is so vast in India, UK and beyond.
I still can't fathom how that guy survived when it exploded on impact into a building. Literally just walking through a crowd on his phone to get checked out medically.
Must actually be the biggest loss of British life in a single event for a long time. The extend of people affected from when you think of all the loved ones is so vast in India, UK and beyond.
I still can't fathom how that guy survived when it exploded on impact into a building. Literally just walking through a crowd on his phone to get checked out medically.
Really is unbelievable. Sadly I did see a quote saying he saw the air stewardesses die in front of him. I am sure this will haunt him and will be asking why or how did I survive? for the rest of his life. I think that as the fuselage crashed into the hostel, the wings where the fuel and jets are were ripped off and remained outside the hostel as the explosion fires were clearly visible externally. So the fuselage buried in the building escaped the fireball and he survived. Truly remarkable.
Yeah I'm not a happy flyer and the answers here are showing up my lack of knowledge about it, I thought it could maybe have a landing with a bump rather than a crash at the angle it was descending.
I didn't even know anything about the flaps thing. No-one told me before getting on these things that if the flaps fail you're pretty much dead!
[Post edited 13 Jun 8:45]
If you want to see some decent landings in stormy weather look on YouTube for BigJetTv.
Go through the back catalogue and look for storm weather landings at Heathrow,there’s some skills on show there from the pilots.
Yeah I'm not a happy flyer and the answers here are showing up my lack of knowledge about it, I thought it could maybe have a landing with a bump rather than a crash at the angle it was descending.
I didn't even know anything about the flaps thing. No-one told me before getting on these things that if the flaps fail you're pretty much dead!
[Post edited 13 Jun 8:45]
The point is, flaps don’t fail. The pilots will know if they are not deployed on a modern aircraft. They are basic to any aeroplane and along with slots (front of the wing) have been around for about 100 years in various forms. Clever pieces of kit.
In terms of safety, in general landing offers more danger than take off though the stats show neither is really a problem. In take off you have for the most part options depending on speed, where you are on the runway and height.
If you want a bit of landing fun, Madeira is always good for that, thanks to the eddys off the hilly bits. The first time I went there it took the pilot a couple of attempts (they have to be qualified to land there) and it was buffeting around all over the place - but it always feels worse in an aeroplane than it actually is. Anyway, they’ve lengthened the runway now and it’s a lot easier.
The old Skiathos airport carried a degree of excitement too as the pilot to avoid the mountains had to descend rapidly. Those were the days where they had to take off with a few litres of fuel to get over the hill and refuel at Thessaloniki. All good fun. I think they’ve spoiled it now with a new airport.
The point is, flaps don’t fail. The pilots will know if they are not deployed on a modern aircraft. They are basic to any aeroplane and along with slots (front of the wing) have been around for about 100 years in various forms. Clever pieces of kit.
In terms of safety, in general landing offers more danger than take off though the stats show neither is really a problem. In take off you have for the most part options depending on speed, where you are on the runway and height.
If you want a bit of landing fun, Madeira is always good for that, thanks to the eddys off the hilly bits. The first time I went there it took the pilot a couple of attempts (they have to be qualified to land there) and it was buffeting around all over the place - but it always feels worse in an aeroplane than it actually is. Anyway, they’ve lengthened the runway now and it’s a lot easier.
The old Skiathos airport carried a degree of excitement too as the pilot to avoid the mountains had to descend rapidly. Those were the days where they had to take off with a few litres of fuel to get over the hill and refuel at Thessaloniki. All good fun. I think they’ve spoiled it now with a new airport.
I have landed at Madeira - I love landing, it's near the ground!
The point is, flaps don’t fail. The pilots will know if they are not deployed on a modern aircraft. They are basic to any aeroplane and along with slots (front of the wing) have been around for about 100 years in various forms. Clever pieces of kit.
In terms of safety, in general landing offers more danger than take off though the stats show neither is really a problem. In take off you have for the most part options depending on speed, where you are on the runway and height.
If you want a bit of landing fun, Madeira is always good for that, thanks to the eddys off the hilly bits. The first time I went there it took the pilot a couple of attempts (they have to be qualified to land there) and it was buffeting around all over the place - but it always feels worse in an aeroplane than it actually is. Anyway, they’ve lengthened the runway now and it’s a lot easier.
The old Skiathos airport carried a degree of excitement too as the pilot to avoid the mountains had to descend rapidly. Those were the days where they had to take off with a few litres of fuel to get over the hill and refuel at Thessaloniki. All good fun. I think they’ve spoiled it now with a new airport.
The landing at the old Hong Kong airport was insane.
They are both very good aircraft. Safe as can be on those. Aviation in general is just about the safest way to travel anyway and the aircraft are far better made than they ever were.
Not flown on an A380 yet - grrr. Hope to one day. It looked a possible for next year, but it looks like an A350. Also a type I’ve not flown on.
Back to the Air India disaster, I see they’ve recovered one of the data recorders and will no doubt dig out the other soon. Assuming it’s not been destroyed, that should tell them a lot.
This will be my 6th time on a A380 (i keep a log because im a nerd) Superb aircraft and you don’t get over the size until you see one up close
Takes an hour to actually get everyone on board
The weirdest sensation is taken off, feels like you’re only going 20mph , then your up.
Next time will be my 2nd time on upstairs deck, which again is a weird sensation because you’re higher
Absolutely love them
The b777s GE 90s are bigger than most a320 fuselages - which is a bit of a marvel too
The point is, flaps don’t fail. The pilots will know if they are not deployed on a modern aircraft. They are basic to any aeroplane and along with slots (front of the wing) have been around for about 100 years in various forms. Clever pieces of kit.
In terms of safety, in general landing offers more danger than take off though the stats show neither is really a problem. In take off you have for the most part options depending on speed, where you are on the runway and height.
If you want a bit of landing fun, Madeira is always good for that, thanks to the eddys off the hilly bits. The first time I went there it took the pilot a couple of attempts (they have to be qualified to land there) and it was buffeting around all over the place - but it always feels worse in an aeroplane than it actually is. Anyway, they’ve lengthened the runway now and it’s a lot easier.
The old Skiathos airport carried a degree of excitement too as the pilot to avoid the mountains had to descend rapidly. Those were the days where they had to take off with a few litres of fuel to get over the hill and refuel at Thessaloniki. All good fun. I think they’ve spoiled it now with a new airport.
Blighme, you me some airlines let unqualified people fly their planes? Yikes, I’m never going in a plane again!
Yikes, looks like what I suggested actually MIGHT have been the case. I know I’ve also warned against speculation but just from an aviation standpoint, people will always theorize and it’s such a mystery everyone wants to know why sooner rather than later. Worth a listen, trying to add responsibly with all possibilities of course still very much in play.
RIP
[Post edited 13 Jun 5:14]
I watched that this morning - interesting stuff. However, photos of the wing on the ground show front flap partially deployed. Another pilot commenting has also highlighted what he thinks are indications from the flight video that the front flap was operational (shadows that also correspond with the front edge of the wing not being continuous.
It’s interesting to watch and listen to these experts trying to piece together what happened. But I don’t want to be a voyeur on others tragedy, esp if the black boxes do show human error.
Yikes, looks like what I suggested actually MIGHT have been the case. I know I’ve also warned against speculation but just from an aviation standpoint, people will always theorize and it’s such a mystery everyone wants to know why sooner rather than later. Worth a listen, trying to add responsibly with all possibilities of course still very much in play.
RIP
[Post edited 13 Jun 5:14]
That video is awful really, he is obviously a pilot himself and yet without any evidence he has basically said the most likely cause of the crash is the pilot accidentally withdrew the flaps instead of the landing gear?
The point is, flaps don’t fail. The pilots will know if they are not deployed on a modern aircraft. They are basic to any aeroplane and along with slots (front of the wing) have been around for about 100 years in various forms. Clever pieces of kit.
In terms of safety, in general landing offers more danger than take off though the stats show neither is really a problem. In take off you have for the most part options depending on speed, where you are on the runway and height.
If you want a bit of landing fun, Madeira is always good for that, thanks to the eddys off the hilly bits. The first time I went there it took the pilot a couple of attempts (they have to be qualified to land there) and it was buffeting around all over the place - but it always feels worse in an aeroplane than it actually is. Anyway, they’ve lengthened the runway now and it’s a lot easier.
The old Skiathos airport carried a degree of excitement too as the pilot to avoid the mountains had to descend rapidly. Those were the days where they had to take off with a few litres of fuel to get over the hill and refuel at Thessaloniki. All good fun. I think they’ve spoiled it now with a new airport.
Someone i know worked at Heathrow a few years ago and part of his job was to collect items which had fallen off aircraft on takeoff. Mostly small items but he did have a couple of wheels.
In the 80s I was flying from Yakutsk to Moscow with Aeroflot. Now I'm not sure what aeroflot is like now, but they were terrible then. About 30mins into the flight there was raised voices behind, basically a kid was playing with the handle of an emergency door. Ultimately the Stewardess stopped him. My colleague who was Russian spoke with the Stewardess and said he was happy to help if required. She whispered to him, thanks I had to stop him but that emergency door, like the others, hasn't worked for months so it wouldn't open anyway but didn't want to make it obvious. I was telling another colleague about it afterwards and I said she probably had a strange sense of humour. He said doubt it, 99% of life jackets never work on Aeroflot aircraft.
Any landing or takeoff with Aeroflot in those days was fun.....
That video is awful really, he is obviously a pilot himself and yet without any evidence he has basically said the most likely cause of the crash is the pilot accidentally withdrew the flaps instead of the landing gear?
[Post edited 14 Jun 20:05]
Big change of mind from this chap in his latest vid:
Someone i know worked at Heathrow a few years ago and part of his job was to collect items which had fallen off aircraft on takeoff. Mostly small items but he did have a couple of wheels.
In the 80s I was flying from Yakutsk to Moscow with Aeroflot. Now I'm not sure what aeroflot is like now, but they were terrible then. About 30mins into the flight there was raised voices behind, basically a kid was playing with the handle of an emergency door. Ultimately the Stewardess stopped him. My colleague who was Russian spoke with the Stewardess and said he was happy to help if required. She whispered to him, thanks I had to stop him but that emergency door, like the others, hasn't worked for months so it wouldn't open anyway but didn't want to make it obvious. I was telling another colleague about it afterwards and I said she probably had a strange sense of humour. He said doubt it, 99% of life jackets never work on Aeroflot aircraft.
Any landing or takeoff with Aeroflot in those days was fun.....
Aeroflot was pitiful in those days. I’m sure under Europe’s Strong Man it’s fine now. Life jacket? Panacea really. If you need one it’s very bad news.
As for bits dropping off aeroplanes, it happens all the time. E.g. what brought Concorde down. I spent some time on an airport for about six weeks too many years ago and it was ….’interesting’. It was so long ago thoug( and like most things, I’m sure it’s a lot better now.
Someone i know worked at Heathrow a few years ago and part of his job was to collect items which had fallen off aircraft on takeoff. Mostly small items but he did have a couple of wheels.
In the 80s I was flying from Yakutsk to Moscow with Aeroflot. Now I'm not sure what aeroflot is like now, but they were terrible then. About 30mins into the flight there was raised voices behind, basically a kid was playing with the handle of an emergency door. Ultimately the Stewardess stopped him. My colleague who was Russian spoke with the Stewardess and said he was happy to help if required. She whispered to him, thanks I had to stop him but that emergency door, like the others, hasn't worked for months so it wouldn't open anyway but didn't want to make it obvious. I was telling another colleague about it afterwards and I said she probably had a strange sense of humour. He said doubt it, 99% of life jackets never work on Aeroflot aircraft.
Any landing or takeoff with Aeroflot in those days was fun.....
Yeah and I still remember our landing at Moscow Sheremetyevo back in 2001 as one of the sketchiest landings ive ever been on in some ancient Ilyushin iirc, think we came back on an airbus.
I've always said people who are comfortable on landing and takeoff don't understand the process of what's actually happening.
Big change of mind from this chap in his latest vid:
So he claims to be a pilot and his theory was the co-pilot pulled the flap handle instead of the landing gear handle. That had a million people on twitter claiming they had the answer. Now he's changed his mind.
Is he even a pilot or did he get that outfit from a fancy dress hire shop?
Someone i know worked at Heathrow a few years ago and part of his job was to collect items which had fallen off aircraft on takeoff. Mostly small items but he did have a couple of wheels.
In the 80s I was flying from Yakutsk to Moscow with Aeroflot. Now I'm not sure what aeroflot is like now, but they were terrible then. About 30mins into the flight there was raised voices behind, basically a kid was playing with the handle of an emergency door. Ultimately the Stewardess stopped him. My colleague who was Russian spoke with the Stewardess and said he was happy to help if required. She whispered to him, thanks I had to stop him but that emergency door, like the others, hasn't worked for months so it wouldn't open anyway but didn't want to make it obvious. I was telling another colleague about it afterwards and I said she probably had a strange sense of humour. He said doubt it, 99% of life jackets never work on Aeroflot aircraft.
Any landing or takeoff with Aeroflot in those days was fun.....
It would take super human strength to open an aeroplane door once the plane is pressurised, and especially at any kind of altitude. Although I can imagine seeing anyone playing with the doors at 35,000 feet would be a tad disconcerting.
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